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On April 18 2011 22:29 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
Yep.... IdrA probably a very happy camper right now.
Tearing up face in front of all his haters, saying he can't play. Do people really consider those matches impressive? I think IdrA is awesome, but none of the games played demonstrated why he's the Gracken. I'm sure he's happy about winning, but look at how he did it.
really there is nothing he could do a better scout... there is the way zerg is played right now... mostly blind so yeah right now is probably the best way he could do it.
i feel the same way about the guess work he had to pull out of his a** pretty sad but nothing we can do about it =/
(if you are talking about something else sorry =p)
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Those games were fully guessing game, idra played blindly and happened to counter Socke.
Zerg´s scouting should be improved in the next expansion at last, i prefer some patches before that tho.
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On April 18 2011 22:39 Axeinst wrote:
Those games were fully guessing game, idra played blindly and happened to counter Socke.
Zerg´s scouting should be improved in the next expansion at last, i prefer some patches before that tho.
and you can see that a zerg counter to protoss build still is a close fight while a protoss counter to zerg build is a slaughter fest =/
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On April 18 2011 22:39 Axeinst wrote:
Those games were fully guessing game, idra played blindly and happened to counter Socke.
Zerg´s scouting should be improved in the next expansion at last, i prefer some patches before that tho.
Well he knew it was either 3gate expand or 5gate fake expand. His build would have still done quite decent against the 3gate expand. However if socke hadnt canceled and was in position he would have a good chance of defending the presure.
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On April 18 2011 22:29 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
Yep.... IdrA probably a very happy camper right now.
Tearing up face in front of all his haters, saying he can't play. Do people really consider those matches impressive? I think IdrA is awesome, but none of the games played demonstrated why he's the Gracken. I'm sure he's happy about winning, but look at how he did it.
Talking about the IPL. Read spoilers if you want to get context, otherwise don't respond with assumptions. Was responding directly to Totalbiscuits quote.
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On April 18 2011 23:32 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 22:29 DoubleReed wrote:On April 18 2011 22:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
Yep.... IdrA probably a very happy camper right now.
Tearing up face in front of all his haters, saying he can't play. Do people really consider those matches impressive? I think IdrA is awesome, but none of the games played demonstrated why he's the Gracken. I'm sure he's happy about winning, but look at how he did it. Talking about the IPL. Read spoilers if you want to get context, otherwise don't respond with assumptions. Was responding directly to Totalbiscuits quote.
Oh, well there are still a lot of people talking about the NASL.
Err... assumptions? About what you were talking about? I wasn't assuming, I was just mistaken...
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Idra Vs IMMVP first round of Gygabytes tournament in China.....
This will be GOOD.
OTOH, what the hell, these guys don't know what seeding is?
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On April 18 2011 23:34 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 23:32 ch33psh33p wrote:On April 18 2011 22:29 DoubleReed wrote:On April 18 2011 22:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
Yep.... IdrA probably a very happy camper right now.
Tearing up face in front of all his haters, saying he can't play. Do people really consider those matches impressive? I think IdrA is awesome, but none of the games played demonstrated why he's the Gracken. I'm sure he's happy about winning, but look at how he did it. Talking about the IPL. Read spoilers if you want to get context, otherwise don't respond with assumptions. Was responding directly to Totalbiscuits quote. Oh, well there are still a lot of people talking about the NASL. Err... assumptions? About what you were talking about? I wasn't assuming, I was just mistaken...
All good, I know his NASL wins were cheesy, but what can you do. =/
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On April 18 2011 23:45 ch33psh33p wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 23:34 DoubleReed wrote:On April 18 2011 23:32 ch33psh33p wrote:On April 18 2011 22:29 DoubleReed wrote:On April 18 2011 22:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
Yep.... IdrA probably a very happy camper right now.
Tearing up face in front of all his haters, saying he can't play. Do people really consider those matches impressive? I think IdrA is awesome, but none of the games played demonstrated why he's the Gracken. I'm sure he's happy about winning, but look at how he did it. Talking about the IPL. Read spoilers if you want to get context, otherwise don't respond with assumptions. Was responding directly to Totalbiscuits quote. Oh, well there are still a lot of people talking about the NASL. Err... assumptions? About what you were talking about? I wasn't assuming, I was just mistaken... All good, I know his NASL wins were cheesy, but what can you do. =/
4 options:
play standard idra style (passive, macro, reactionary) and hope youre 2x better than your opponent.
play mondragon style (drops everywhere) and hope that your opponent crumbles under the intense pressure.
cheese
take economic risks, ie over drone in the early/mid game and hope the toss lets you get away with it.
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I think that's an unfurtunate effect of the state of zerg right now, you can't just play macro and expect to kill opponents with superior macro, so mixing it up seems alright to me.
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Pleaseeeee, spoiler NASL resuslts -.-
EU people still havent seen it
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On April 18 2011 23:49 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 23:45 ch33psh33p wrote:On April 18 2011 23:34 DoubleReed wrote:On April 18 2011 23:32 ch33psh33p wrote:On April 18 2011 22:29 DoubleReed wrote:On April 18 2011 22:09 ch33psh33p wrote:
Yep.... IdrA probably a very happy camper right now.
Tearing up face in front of all his haters, saying he can't play. Do people really consider those matches impressive? I think IdrA is awesome, but none of the games played demonstrated why he's the Gracken. I'm sure he's happy about winning, but look at how he did it. Talking about the IPL. Read spoilers if you want to get context, otherwise don't respond with assumptions. Was responding directly to Totalbiscuits quote. Oh, well there are still a lot of people talking about the NASL. Err... assumptions? About what you were talking about? I wasn't assuming, I was just mistaken... All good, I know his NASL wins were cheesy, but what can you do. =/ 4 options: play standard idra style (passive, macro, reactionary) and hope youre 2x better than your opponent. play mondragon style (drops everywhere) and hope that your opponent crumbles under the intense pressure. cheese take economic risks, ie over drone in the early/mid game and hope the toss lets you get away with it.
You can play macro style, you can over drone, but you can still lose to a Toss playing standard. Mass drops is just another type of cheese for a Zerg player, if they hold it at all, you're already behind to the point where you will lose. Unfortunate state of zerg, yet IdrA gets so much hate.
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NASL Socke vs IdrA discussions (please use spoilers for the poor EU people):
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He lost the first game to the Nexus cancel into 5 gate all-in even though he scouted everything precisely when it happened. He literally went around with his zerglings to the Nexus seconds after it was cancelled. He immediately cancelled his own third and put down some spinecrawlers.
IdrAs reaction to what was going on in the game was perfect, the only way he could have improved was to put down even more spinecrawlers earlier in advance and possibly have one larva injection's worth more of roaches. Even then, his stronger economy would have guaranteed a win if Socke had not been able to continuously FF the ramp and cut his
army in half.
After that though it was a perfect prediction of what Socke would be going for in Game 2, that was hardly "blind cheese", a lot of P go Stargate on that map. And even so that was a very tight game, partly lost by Socke because he did not pull his probes away quickly enough.
And game 3 was just Socke blindly going for the same Nexus-cancel 5 gate all-in and IdrA punishing him with the earlier roach/ling off two bases. That was hardly a cheese, P was on one base after all.
So I am not sure why people say IdrA blindly cheesed, when he usually doesn't and certainly not in the games I have seen.
Did I miss something, am I actually mistaken? I'd be happy for anyone who thinks differently to explain to me why. Just because this is the fanclub does not mean I have to be blind and stupid.
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On April 18 2011 16:01 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2011 15:27 Euronyme wrote:On April 18 2011 11:22 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 11:19 oZii wrote:On April 18 2011 11:07 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 18 2011 10:51 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:47 Badboyrune wrote:On April 18 2011 10:27 Liquid`Tyler wrote:On April 18 2011 10:25 quentel wrote:On April 18 2011 10:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
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or the type that doesn't give a shit because he's playing the game, not designing it Heaven forbid any feedback get back to Blizzard via forums and player comments! ??? the feedback is the game itself. the player doesn't have anything to add to the games he plays. the only time a player needs to say anything is when blizzard is like "we dont have time to watch your last 50 tvz's. can you summarize what's been going in this situation?" so actually yeah, fuck feedback via forums and comments. blizzard can see the games. that's all that matters In addition to this I'm fairly sure Blizzard is regularly in touch with progamers to hear their thoughts on balance. So to whine about balance you not only have to assume that blizzard are not reviewing the huge amounts of raw data available to them but also that you understand the game better than the progamers blizzard are in contact with. yep, blizzard contacts pros privately. public comments on balance are 99.9999% unproductive. they are for your personal satisfaction only. if discussing balance online isn't a satisfying experience, then stop doing it.  lol nony your actions are contradictory, you complain about PvP (ramps) in your game vs Mana which was broadcasted to thousands of people and yet you tell the most posters here to an equivalent of stfu and point fingers at how bad pro Zergs players conduct themselves. Imagine how frustrating forcefields (ramps) are for Zergs in PvZ or the entire PvZ matchup !!! Uh did he complain about the ramps because he thought they where the old ones or the new ones? Or did he complain cause he thought it was imbalanced? I think it was the first which is why he asked the question why the ramps are so small. Like he was suprised which is why he was asking for a reply. Not because he was screaming imba. Tsk Tsk Tyler hardly if ever screams imbalance that I can remember. Some of you read what you want to read. On April 15 2011 03:34 imbs wrote:
here is an interesting set of quotes from an old sotg episode (one from 11.16.10 according to the file) that i wrote up for you. this was when protoss wasnt doing so well. some of these may be inaccurate but really i didn't have much time to do this so i didn't double check it.
incontrol
"thats why you have 12 protoss in the gsl, thats why you look at the top 200 north america and theres 46 protoss.... (goes on to list other top 200 stats)"
"if terran forgets a mule he can just drop 8 more mules, and now they have 4 times the size economy but if i miss a chrono boost im screwed"
"if i miss a forcefield and he runs up my ramp im dead. (on a) terrans ramp its because he lets a depot which goes up and down down."
"there are alot of little coin flips that strongly favor the terran in my opinion"
"protoss has to play as nony said perfectly to counter whatever the terran decides to do, and that puts the protoss player on his heels and thats a bad place for any rts in my opinion"
tyler
"protoss just feels more bare; the other races can survive a variety of things better than protoss can."
"the size of a mistake that a protoss makes that loses a game doesnt for terran"
"terran can just survive some misjudgements some mistakes with timing stuff like that"
"composition wise terran has a lot more leeway, if protoss wants to win they have to have a perfect composition for that or they are screwed"
there was much more of this stuff but you get the gist, and to be fair there were one or two occasions where incontrol would say or mention something about bisu.
fact is though back when protoss was seen as up and terran as op tyler n incontrol had no problem having a big discussion with painuser on balance. with idra they laughed him off randomly and next episode decided to sit there harping on about how they need to use mass nydus/infestors and theory crafted with no actual zerg around..... i like tyler and incontrol but i did not appreciate how hypocritical they were being; its hard to be too annoyed though as when you are not the most successful (mainly applies to tyler recently, but incontrol has his fair share of critics too) it is very hard to accept that your race is giving you an advantage. There you have it. Revisit some of the older SoTG cast before the Terran nerfs, both incontrol and tyler were very vocal on the subject. Dude that was like right after the beta. Also the major whining hadn't hit yet. Basically every progamer apart from Idra is trying to reduce the amount of spoiled children on TL who cries for hours about their race (read zerg) being underpowered against unit X just because it's popular and Idra does it. pretty much every single high level zerg, besides mondragon apparently, has been publicly bitching about zerg since release. some are more vocal than others. im not even the most depressed with the state of the game. people just pay more attention when i say stuff. zerg is broken.
IdrA's 11,000th post <3
From the State of the Game thread
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idrajit
half a minute ago via web
On twitter.
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On April 19 2011 01:09 Ries wrote:idrajit half a minute ago via web On twitter.
What happened...?
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No idea, maybe Machine put up a wrestle figth without his shirt on
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+ Show Spoiler +For those that dont know, In the interview after the NASL fight which he won. Machine where in the background gaming or something shirtless.
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Russian Federation6 Posts
it's 20 hours ago. Related to TSL3 Mandragon vs. Cruncher.
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On April 18 2011 23:45 ch33psh33p wrote:
All good, I know his NASL wins were cheesy, but what can you do. =/
Why are hydra drops and ling-roach all in to counter a 5gate fake expo cheesy?
I'd call them cutesy before I call them cheesy.
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On April 19 2011 01:17 DeepBlu2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2011 01:09 Ries wrote:idrajit half a minute ago via web On twitter. What happened...?
Twitter does not correctly update timestamps if not logged in. It is way older. Roughly 20 hours ago.
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