The IdrA Fan Club - Page 374

On April 13 2011 05:36 ABOOMAN wrote:
Idra''s point about ZvP would be totally wrong if someone could point at a high level Zerg that solved the biggest problems in the matchup or just have a very good zvp ratio. The thing is, even if Idra hates ZvP i STILL dont know whom i need to learn the matchup from.

On April 13 2011 05:38 FinBenton wrote:

Spanishiwa.

On April 13 2011 04:57 KvltMan wrote:

No, I think everyone's in agreement that he did it because he just wanted out.

On April 13 2011 05:36 ABOOMAN wrote:
Idra''s point about ZvP would be totally wrong if someone could point at a high level Zerg that solved the biggest problems in the matchup or just have a very good zvp ratio. The thing is, even if Idra hates ZvP i STILL dont know whom i need to learn the matchup from.

On April 13 2011 05:11 MonsieurGrimm wrote:

I don't know how anyone can bash IdrA for 6pooling when MC 4/6gates like 25% of his games.

On April 13 2011 05:03 Lambertus wrote:
Come on, did anyone watch the game live? Like DeMuslim said, IdrA planned it before.

On April 13 2011 05:29 vmendi wrote:
I was just checking sc2ranks.com.... Among the 20 first spots in the North America Grand Master ladder there are..... 1 Zerg.

My point being... Idra's totally right, in my opinion. That's why I admire the guy. He is able to rebel against all his co-workers are telling to him.

On April 13 2011 05:38 Essentia wrote:
Almost every top zerg pro has complained about zerg being weak, so why does everyone only remember Idra?

On April 13 2011 05:48 GP wrote:

Well, I'm not trying to shit on Idra here, but everyone remembers Idra because Idra makes sure everyone remembers him. Everytime he gets a chance to talk he makes his anger issues with the matchup known. Other pro level zergs may complain about it once in a while, but it's not constant incessant balance complaining all the time, and Idra blames his losses on the game being broken and never gives the person who beats him credit. The short answer is Idra is just by far the loudest.

On April 13 2011 05:41 CosmicSpiral wrote:


4 gate is not an all-in. 4 gate is not effected by map size.

6-pool on Xel'Naga against a player who routinely sends out his pylon after 9 pylon is suicide.

On April 13 2011 05:50 Usagi wrote:
Idra please, go Terran for a while, Im sure you would do great!

On April 13 2011 06:08 MonsieurGrimm wrote:

4 gate is an allin actually, if protoss tries to expand afterwards you can just 2base allin and kill it, and if he doesn't he loses because he's stuck on 1base. I agree with the other two parts though.

On April 13 2011 06:30 CosmicSpiral wrote:


Actually it is not. You can do an eco 4gate and expand behind it, or a defensive 4 gate and expand behind it (although both are normally seen in the expansion-lite PvP matchup). Even a normal 4 gate is not an all-in depending on how much investment you put into it. Maybe you're talking about PvZ?

If it takes an all-in to beat an all-in, then clearly one of them is not an all-in.

On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.


I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting

On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:


Both tyler and incontrol play protoss,
both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken
both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !)

so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? )

So yea they have no vested interest

On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:


Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance.
Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot.

People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results.

Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it.

Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly.