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On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest  Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/
There's plenty of other people saying he is wrong as well, including day9.
And for that respnse for his job, that applied to game 2 where he clearly just gave away the series.
also because people seem to insist on balance
read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=712#14228
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On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting
Tyler and Incontrol are both Protoss therefore their argument is imbalanced.
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On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly.
Terran was OP and also there is reason there is a balance team, You do know that right? A balance team that balances the game right? Tanks did 60dmg to every unit, reapers, fast drop ships, low building hp all added to how strong Terran was. TvZ is not the same at all the entire match up changed because Zerg got many buffs while Terran got nerfs to balance the game. There was no magical strategy that stopped the OP it was Blizzard and this is why (once again) there is a balance team in place.
Also don't you think there is a reason why all Zergs complain, I mean not your bronze level, but pro zergs. There must a causation don't you think, or do you think Zerg race just attracts the whinny personalities ??? So yea think before posting AND this is Idra's fanclub not Zerg bash Club.
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On April 13 2011 07:09 adeezy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/ There's plenty of other people saying he is wrong as well, including day9. And for that respnse for his job, that applied to game 2 where he clearly just gave away the series. also because people seem to insist on balance read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=712#14228
And day9 resorted to telling him to use more infestors without giving any hints as to how to actually get to them without dying.
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I'm not bashing zerg... wow.. nevermind dude you are obviously just looking for shit to argue with me about.
Not all zergs complaign, that's all im going to say. Especially the Korean Zergs who are arguably the best zergs.
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On April 13 2011 07:16 adeezy wrote:
I'm not bashing zerg... wow.. nevermind dude you are obviously just looking for shit to argue with me about.
Not all zergs complaign, that's all im going to say. Especially the Korean Zergs who are arguably the best zergs.
What?
Almost all of them feel PvZ is extremely difficult, did you not watch the code S bracket selection?
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On April 13 2011 07:12 Denzil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Tyler and Incontrol are both Protoss therefore their argument is imbalanced.
Until prominent pro zergs start calling Idra out rather than protoss players, I have to agree that ZvP is imba.
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On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/
You're complaining professional protoss players aren't giving people hints and tips on how to beat protoss?
On another note, people should stop bringing up Fruitdealer vs Inca on Kulas Ravine, given that it has nothing to do whatsoever with Idra 6-pooling MC. First of all, it was a 7-pool, and second, it had an actual chance of winning him the game. Idra's strategy on XNC was doomed to fail, meaning any comparison is shallow and won't go further than 'both are early-pools'.
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On April 13 2011 07:16 adeezy wrote:
I'm not bashing zerg... wow.. nevermind dude you are obviously just looking for shit to argue with me about.
Not all zergs complaign, that's all im going to say. Especially the Korean Zergs who are arguably the best zergs.
On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:
Zerg is just the #1 qq race [...]
1. Your quote not mine !
2. Please watch artosis house tour of prime and startale ! where you can see both Zergs and Protoss mentioning that Zerg has it harder and protoss is indeed stronger in the new big maps
3. Koreans Zerg QQ, remember fruitdealer / nesteas comment in GSL where fruitdealer was cursing on how broken ZvT was.
4. Every Zerg complains about ZvP, and No Protoss complain about PvZ, don't you see the discrepancy. If the game was truly balanced some Protoss would come out and say PvZ is broken in the favor of Zerg but that is not the case.
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On April 13 2011 07:14 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:09 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/ There's plenty of other people saying he is wrong as well, including day9. And for that respnse for his job, that applied to game 2 where he clearly just gave away the series. also because people seem to insist on balance read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=712#14228 And day9 resorted to telling him to use more infestors without giving any hints as to how to actually get to them without dying.
build an infestation pit....
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On April 13 2011 07:16 adeezy wrote:
I'm not bashing zerg... wow.. nevermind dude you are obviously just looking for shit to argue with me about.
Not all zergs complaign, that's all im going to say. Especially the Korean Zergs who are arguably the best zergs.
you my friend are a total chobo
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On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:
In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC"
And tyler replied "his job."
Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/
Wait, you're distorting the quote. They didn't ask tyler that. Tyler said in a nutshell "it's just bad for the team and for the fans to just give up after having such a close game with one of the world's best players" and someone responded "what else is he supposed to do?" to which Tyler responded "his job" which I agree with. It is Idra's job to try as hard as he can to win and not throw a game away because he's frustrated. It had nothing to do with what could he do against MC, it was a snarky quip "what else is he supposed to do?"
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hes should switch races if hes gonna be so dramatic about it
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On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/
yeah! why would anyone not say how to beat them when there are a bunch of tournaments with money on the line!
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On April 13 2011 07:16 adeezy wrote:
I'm not bashing zerg... wow.. nevermind dude you are obviously just looking for shit to argue with me about.
Not all zergs complaign, that's all im going to say. Especially the Korean Zergs who are arguably the best zergs.
those are the same ones that couldn't get sent out in the first GSTL if their lives depended on it because they were liabilities.
yeah! why would anyone not say how to beat them when there are a bunch of tournaments with money on the line!
Let's not pretend protoss has some super secret build for zergs to beat them but they just aren't telling. Most people just give some vague guidelines and assume zergs will just make something happen out of thin air.
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On April 13 2011 07:28 LittleAtari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:14 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On April 13 2011 07:09 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/ There's plenty of other people saying he is wrong as well, including day9. And for that respnse for his job, that applied to game 2 where he clearly just gave away the series. also because people seem to insist on balance read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=712#14228 And day9 resorted to telling him to use more infestors without giving any hints as to how to actually get to them without dying. build an infestation pit....
Also how to expand to get enough gas to actually put them in your unit comp, that was part of the discussion I forgot to put in my post D:
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On April 13 2011 07:37 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:16 adeezy wrote:
I'm not bashing zerg... wow.. nevermind dude you are obviously just looking for shit to argue with me about.
Not all zergs complaign, that's all im going to say. Especially the Korean Zergs who are arguably the best zergs.
those are the same ones that couldn't get sent out in the first GSTL if their lives depended on it because they were liabilities. Show nested quote +yeah! why would anyone not say how to beat them when there are a bunch of tournaments with money on the line! Let's not pretend protoss has some super secret build for zergs to beat them but they just aren't telling. Most people just give some vague guidelines and assume zergs will just make something happen out of thin air.
Haha that reminded me of Terran's telling Zerg to start using nydus/drops and use other styles in patch 1.0 when mech ruled the match-up.
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On April 13 2011 07:28 LittleAtari wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 07:14 MonsieurGrimm wrote:On April 13 2011 07:09 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 07:07 Mailing wrote:On April 13 2011 07:01 adeezy wrote:On April 13 2011 06:53 Gunman_csz wrote:On April 13 2011 06:24 adeezy wrote:
I feel like anyone who defends IdrA and his actions in dreamhack today isn't a true fan of IdrA and E-sports in general. All the pros including Tyler and Incontrol have condemned what he did and to be honest there's no real excuse. It was a poor decision that was disrespectful to his sponsors, the specators, and most especially his fans. I mean come on IdrA we know you dislike the ZvP match up but that "all in" wasn't really an all in, it was a throw away. The way MC proxies or 4 gates is a calculated all-in, he not only plays the game but plays into the opponents expectations and the way need to be prepared for anything and everything. The way IdrA all-inned was to prove his distate for matchup, but it ultimately only dissapointed everyone.
I don't see IdrA's defeatist attitude ever improving but if anything, I just hope he gets the zerg buff he is looking for and we see him with games that won't dissapoint us like he did today =(. IdrA fighting Both tyler and incontrol play protoss, both tyler and incontrol will never ever say protoss is op when clearly both pvt and pvz are broken both tyler and incontrol said idra shouldn't become a zvp balance martyr, when in fact every top level zerg QQs about this match up, idra is not alone. (last I checked every foreign zerg complaine (morrow,sen,dimaga, etc !) so yea the entire terran and zerg community are biased and P is not OP the other races have just to play around and figure and play the match up differently, (if i remember correct didn't Terran say the same thing in patch 1.0 when they were clearly the most OP race??? ) So yea they have no vested interest Don't say clearly. You aren't in any position to say so just as no one truly is because of how young the game is. There can be things that are abusive, but to say as a whole, a matchup is imbalanced takes more analysis. Just think about Day9s approach to balance. Clearly the most OP race during patch 1.0 is silly. The main things changed during that time was reaper, which was an abusive strategy, but to say a whole race as a whole is over-powered is a long shot. People complaign about balance too much. The game is young. If you remember, during GSL 3 time, november-december, there were complaints about protoss being underpowered because of their lack of tournament results. Also, Just because they play protoss and never say protoss is over-powered doesnt change what they said about IdrA being true. Honestly I don't see why you want to defend that behavior. IdrA had a good shot during game 1 to take it. Zerg is just the #1 qq race and has been because of IdrA being the balance martyr he is. I mean he complaigned that terran was the weakest race in BW, if I remember correctly. Incontrol and Tyler both have never told idra how to beat a protoss, just that "he is wrong". In the LR thread, for example, someone asked tyler "what could idra have done against MC" And tyler replied "his job." Every time we ask these professional protoss players how to win from their point of view, it is ignored :/ There's plenty of other people saying he is wrong as well, including day9. And for that respnse for his job, that applied to game 2 where he clearly just gave away the series. also because people seem to insist on balance read http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145494¤tpage=712#14228 And day9 resorted to telling him to use more infestors without giving any hints as to how to actually get to them without dying. build an infestation pit....
And avoid the 4 gate, DT rush, 5 gate, 6 gate, 2 stargate, immortal push that is rather hard to scout when a patroling perimeter stalker is denying all overlords.
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On April 13 2011 07:37 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +yeah! why would anyone not say how to beat them when there are a bunch of tournaments with money on the line! Let's not pretend protoss has some super secret build for zergs to beat them but they just aren't telling. Most people just give some vague guidelines and assume zergs will just make something happen out of thin air.
Well, I did hear Tyler say on his stream to his viewers that there were some things zerg could do that scared him a lot - he didn't say what, though, because he didn't want people to beat him.
Still, I doubt anyone has some magic cure for the matchup.
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i laugh at the idiots saying theyre angry at idra for doing what he did round 2, not much he could of done tbh.
^^ that post is irrelevant, are you trying to support it and say that protoss have been working as hard as zerg to 'open' these doors, because that is ridiculous, everytime something bad goes down, it is always up to zerg to come up with a reaction, like back in the 2rax rush days that terran used to do and just dominate zerg, we had to come up with a reaction(or wait for the nerf, look at it however you want), there hasnt really been a time where zerg has had this type of advantage(compare how long this rush was possible to the ultralisk splash bug which was removed almost instantly). one could even argue that where other races currently have 5 doors to open, zerg only has 3 as we have so little at our disposal and what we do have pales in comparison, look at storm compared to fungal, storm will decimate a hydra army, whereas 1 fungal isnt even enough to take off the shields on a stalker. look at the aoe potential of terran(tanks/planetary) and protoss(collosus/storm/ff) compared to ultra's. am i the only one that finds it ridiculous that planetary splash doesnt count as friendly fire.
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