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On April 13 2011 02:39 Essentia wrote:
You guys realize he wasn't even trying to win that game right? He just did that out of spite.
Yeah I agree, IdrA probably didn't give that much of a damn after losing the first game because he felt that he could not get back to back wins against MC to come back. So a 6 pool would be a nice, quick way to get back in - especially since 6 pool seems to have a the best win rate v protoss at masters level.
I do think one of IdrA's main problems is a lack of belief though. He CAN play toe to toe with MC as he showed in game 1. PvZ imba right now imo, but imbalance aside IdrA has to keep trying. He always gg's way too quickly when these are big tournaments with lots of money on the line. Afterwards, he always excuses it by saying his opponents are way too good and he was way too behind and (although partially true) people get cocky and DO make mistakes. Plus, SC2 is a game when 1 baneling can determine a game, there is always a chance. What's is another 2 minutes of game time to be sure you lost out on 15k!?
If for no other reason, do it for your fans man
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I think Idra needs to take a break from gaming for a bit and get a grip on him self... of late I've seen way to many games of him where he gets pushed and jsut gg's doesn't even try... and know this fly half way around the world to lose a close game then throw the series because he doesn't think he can win.. come on man I used to love you but it's hard to when you do stuff like this???
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I was thinking "hmn, may be he should pull a baneling bust just for the sake of it" and he 6pooled. I laughed. I can totally understand the feeling that make you just want to cheese. 6 pool isn't that fun though, baneling bust is more fun to do  (I don't question him, I just think it's more fun ^^) He would have given the audience a show since they cheered so hard for him (almost twice as loud as for MC)
So sad about him being depressed lately. I thought it was over but apparently not. Still love him though ^^
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im always so pissed if idra loses 
i wish i had turned the stream off after IdrA won vs TLO ;D
Hopefully he is not too depressed to stream on his own in the next weeks, because i really appreciate that the most.
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hmpf. I'm literally crying right now. Idra is one of my biggest idols for sure but lately he really sucks. And I absolutely don't mean this in the sense of playing. He's getting better and better and more creative as well. Every time I see idra playing is like WOW everything he does is so well worked out and it truly looks like he's constantly improving. But what for? For fucking nothing. He loses games like crazy and I'm just smashing my head on the keyboard.
Has someone seen the second match between idra and Socke in HD World Tournament? Socke essentially made four to five phoenixes and won. WTF is this? It's either a sign of horrible, horrible balance right now or that idra is stuck in a major hole.
At the moment my best advice for him would be to just switch race. He's playing so creative lately, being aggressive, using infestors really well, doing early spine hydra pushes etc. You remember the game where he went for ling, broodlord infestor and didnt make a single roach against huk and then left because of hallucinations. From every tournament idra's competing in I get the impression that he goes into the game like "I certainly can't win this if my opponent doesn't screw up big time". And as it is not so easy to screw up as a protoss idra just gets rolled.
It just seems like that idra is so unhappy of the current state of zerg that it's harming his play and he should just change until he feels comfortable with zerg again or hell yeah just play terran like a motherfucker and go hellion into banshee and shit like that.
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Wasn't it IdrA himself that said the best skill with Zerg is the ability to deal with overwhelming amounts of depression?
Seems IdrA's skill level isn't as high as it needs to be.
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I think idra is gettign fed up with this game.
TBH *If I was idra I would just take a break, sign up for some classes or something and wait for the patch.
OR just play the most OP race of the month (aka wow-style flavour of the month)
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The way of losing in the first game was ridiculous... If it's not air, it's the colossi, if not, the storms.... 200 army gone to the toilet, only losing ...10 supply?
I'm a professional videogame programmer since 1999. I can tell you, most of blizzard's love has gone to the Protoss. The Collossus is the executive producer's son idea. It's sooo cool. They love to see it in games. The storm is so absurd, even removing the amulet. Force fields.... DTs.... Void rays.... I'm pretty sure that they even have internal conversations that end up in: "Yeah, but look at the carrier, this time we didn't overpower it!"
But ... BUT... I'm aware that every time I start a game against a toss in ladder, teams even, I enter with a 50% chance of losing. So, at my level, the game is of course balanced... Even if my skill, if we could measure it any other way, I think is superior to a toss of my same MMR.
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If Idra can fix his spite issue and fight to the last second, he can be the best player in the world. Right now he's throwing his skill away cause of temper / whatever. It's fucking sad to see...
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On April 13 2011 03:47 vmendi wrote:
[...] I can tell you, most of blizzard's love has gone to the Protoss. The Collossus is the executive producer's son idea. It's sooo cool. They love to see it in games. [...]
Hahahaha, just some months ago people said the exact same sentence about Terran. (with some words replaced, of course...)
Be happy: by the rule of equal distribution, Zerg will be the next Blizzard love-child and totally OP.
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I wish Idra would not lose games before he even plays them. It seems he psychs himself out 2 fast
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Be happy: by the rule of equal distribution, Zerg will be the next Blizzard love-child and totally OP.
I remember the patch back in the beta after or before the second break.
Blizzard said they would totally change the way zerg plays and make them much more innovative.
You know what they did? Changed ultralisk, removed frenzy, infested terran spell back from overseer to the infestor again and that was about everything.
TOTALLY changed zerg.
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Everytime there's a discussion about Z balance, you invariably hear someone say "oh yeah? so how come Zerg won two GSL??". And everytime IdrA 6-pools, you hear people going "omg he so tilting why he no macro?????" apparently oblivious to the fact that FruitDealer had to 6-pool to get into the semi of the GSL he won. Last year.
On April 13 2011 03:55 scrim wrote:
I remember the patch back in the beta [...]
I remember the patch that gave you back the larva if you cancelled an egg. That one totally changed zerg, albeit temporarily. For the shortest time, Zerg was very popular as a race 
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On April 13 2011 03:51 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2011 03:47 vmendi wrote:
[...] I can tell you, most of blizzard's love has gone to the Protoss. The Collossus is the executive producer's son idea. It's sooo cool. They love to see it in games. [...]
Hahahaha, just some months ago people said the exact same sentence about Terran. (with some words replaced, of course...) Be happy: by the rule of equal distribution, Zerg will be the next Blizzard love-child and totally OP.
In fact, Terran was probably the first race they designed like 16 years ago. Everything is balanced around the marine, if you think about it. And it's the race most people start to play with, so, it's natural they have to put some love into it.
I really think that Zerg is the race they have put less effort, and the hardest one even for them, as it is the afterthought. The only place I see effort in Zerg is in the creep mechanism (kudos to the programmer(s) that did that!) and in the way zerlings surround things. Ultras are ridiculous to my programmer's eyes, they should dump that code and start again.
I can guarantee you that Toss has like tens of thousands more lines of code dedicated to it. The mothership... force fields... very very labour intensive.
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On April 13 2011 03:47 vmendi wrote:
But ... BUT... I'm aware that every time I start a game against a toss in ladder, teams even, I enter with a 50% chance of losing. So, at my level, the game is of course balanced... Even if my skill, if we could measure it any other way, I think is superior to a toss of my same MMR.
Yeah and I can say that at my level of play the Zerg are worse in skill than the average protoss or terran I face, Overreacting to a zealot/stalker poke after seeing them fast expo and making only bad decisions(too little drones), while the protosses micro every stalker individually and macro the shit out of their robo build and the terrans know when to stim, kite and engage. So I think the skill of the Zerg at my MMR is inferior to mine.
This kind of comment is useless, and I excuse myself to have derailed. Back on IdrA, he really should work to become the best Zerg player living and maybe try harder on his attitude management to be able to deliver fantastic games like he can do.
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On April 13 2011 03:47 vmendi wrote:
The way of losing in the first game was ridiculous... If it's not air, it's the colossi, if not, the storms.... 200 army gone to the toilet, only losing ...10 supply?
I'm a professional videogame programmer since 1999. I can tell you, most of blizzard's love has gone to the Protoss. The Collossus is the executive producer's son idea. It's sooo cool. They love to see it in games. The storm is so absurd, even removing the amulet. Force fields.... DTs.... Void rays.... I'm pretty sure that they even have internal conversations that end up in: "Yeah, but look at the carrier, this time we didn't overpower it!"
But ... BUT... I'm aware that every time I start a game against a toss in ladder, teams even, I enter with a 50% chance of losing. So, at my level, the game is of course balanced... Even if my skill, if we could measure it any other way, I think is superior to a toss of my same MMR.
Seriously? Blizzard has nerfed Protoss with every patch. Even if there are still balance issues, let's not pretend that Blizzard isn't doing anything about it.
But I honestly think Zerg needs buffs. Our units are already extremely good for what they do already, so I really don't think Zerg is going to be balanced until the expansion when we get some new units.
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Blizzard should just buff zerg. I don't care if its too much for their own good.
Zerg has been taking all the shit since the second beta phase.
They don't have to buff them, but they should at least switch some unit mechanics on the zerg side.
And if the buff is too much, hell who cares, let the other two races figure out how to deal with it. Zerg is doing that shit since beta.
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Zerg probably isn't going to get the treatment it needs until heart of the swarm. Blizz said Zerg was the most incomplete race for a long time, wouldn't be surprised if that impacted the expansion order in some way.
Just my opinion that blizz is more interested in nerfing terran and toss down before giving Zerg the lift it needs with HotS. Pessimism continues along to wonder if Z will become "imbalanced" when it's released.
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So I think the skill of the Zerg at my MMR is inferior to mine.
Think whatever you want... I wish there were an objetive way of measuring it. Anyway, that zerg mechanics are the hardest should be an indicative that, at the same MMR, zerg requires more skill.
This kind of comment is useless, and I excuse myself to have derailed. Back on IdrA, he really should work to become the best Zerg player living and maybe try harder on his attitude management to be able to deliver fantastic games like he can do.
It's useless?? What if Idra is right? Have you considered it? what if the guy is overwhelmed by the amount of more effort he has to put in relation to his opponents? What if that amount of work is double, and he is already putting 12 hours a day???????
Everybody sames the same stupid thing, inspired by Day9: Don't think about balance, just think about improving. Yeah, but.... what if with the same amount of effort put into improving, your opponent can actually increase their performance by a factor > 1 relative to you? With 1 unit of work, you improve 1 in performance, while your opponent improves 1.5.... and you already are in the top together with 4 or 5 other zergs, who suffer the same effect.
I mean, that the game is imbalanced is not only possible but also probable. And that at Idra's level of play, where there's no MMR to equalize things, it's a big big factor, it's a fact.
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