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On April 24 2013 12:52 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 12:47 opterown wrote:On April 24 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:On April 24 2013 11:58 opterown wrote:On April 24 2013 11:03 Forikorder wrote:On April 24 2013 06:17 Gosi wrote: Well, I was watching LzGamer some weeks ago and after Lz beat IdrA on ladder he said something about how IdrA was so mad right now and the chat asked why and Lz went on this little mini rant about IdrA and his behavior and it sounded pretty much just like Demuslim's POV on things. LZ never lived in the lair what would he know? he's on the same team, i assume he would have had significant interactions with idra in the past not as much as anyone else and Lz never really went to many international tournaments so they only time theyd really meet would be MLG so Lz and IdrA really wouldnt interact much compared to like all the other people who say IdrAs a nice guy IRL yea but lz was talking about idra in-game not afk ... so? everyone knows how his game persona is i was talking about his real life persona which Lz doesnt really know but gosi was talking about his in-game interactions
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On April 24 2013 13:12 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 12:52 Forikorder wrote:On April 24 2013 12:47 opterown wrote:On April 24 2013 12:04 Forikorder wrote:On April 24 2013 11:58 opterown wrote:On April 24 2013 11:03 Forikorder wrote:On April 24 2013 06:17 Gosi wrote: Well, I was watching LzGamer some weeks ago and after Lz beat IdrA on ladder he said something about how IdrA was so mad right now and the chat asked why and Lz went on this little mini rant about IdrA and his behavior and it sounded pretty much just like Demuslim's POV on things. LZ never lived in the lair what would he know? he's on the same team, i assume he would have had significant interactions with idra in the past not as much as anyone else and Lz never really went to many international tournaments so they only time theyd really meet would be MLG so Lz and IdrA really wouldnt interact much compared to like all the other people who say IdrAs a nice guy IRL yea but lz was talking about idra in-game not afk ... so? everyone knows how his game persona is i was talking about his real life persona which Lz doesnt really know but gosi was talking about his in-game interactions
he certainly didnt sound like it, he said it as if he was actually saying something that was important to the discussion instead of jsut regurgitating stuff that was already known by everyone
i guess it was jsut some miscommunication
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whenever i hope this stupid discussion is finally over someone comes here and starts the shit again.
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IdrA will most probably play in TotalBiscuit's* ShoutCraft America tournament with a 10k prize pool. The tournament accepts only permanent residents of the Americas and the invitations are sent out to whoever is in the top 16 of the Grandmaster ladder by May 1st. I cannot fathom a world in which IdrA is not on top of that ladder, so its mostly up to him whether he will participate.
Link to the tournament: ShoutCraft
Also, the tournament adopts the GSL, WCS style 4 man groups which means a single player (*cough* Minigun *cough* will not be as detrimental to IdrA's success).
*The actual organizer of the event is Genna Bain, Totalbiscuit's wife. As she is not as well known, I put the famous guy first. Please crucify me for sexism.
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since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there.
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has idra played any tourney in 2013?
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On April 24 2013 18:43 Fortii wrote: since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there.
Have my doubts. He needs to stop whining about balance 24/7 if he hopes to win anything. If you blame all your loses on inbalance you don't look for solutions and you don't develop. The only thing that happens is that you strengthen your own conclusions of "imbalance" as it causes you to lose.
Idra has the problem that he thinks himself to be a superior player and thus he instantly jumps to the conclusion that imbalance/"unworthy" play is the cause of his loss <-- This conclusion have ~0% chance of improving your gameplay.
Analyze what went wrong, what and when you need to scout and then make a plan for how to adapt the next time you scout this pattern. Little more of this, and a little less of "shit fucktard terran player" and Idra has the potential to beat anyone. I think few people argues about his potential skill level. It is just that he is his own worst enemy.
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On April 25 2013 06:08 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 18:43 Fortii wrote: since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there. Have my doubts. He needs to stop whining about balance 24/7 if he hopes to win anything. If you blame all your loses on inbalance you don't look for solutions and you don't develop. The only thing that happens is that you strengthen your own conclusions of "imbalance" as it causes you to lose. Idra has the problem that he thinks himself to be a superior player and thus he instantly jumps to the conclusion that imbalance/"unworthy" play is the cause of his loss <-- This conclusion have ~0% chance of improving your gameplay. Analyze what went wrong, what and when you need to scout and then make a plan for how to adapt the next time you scout this pattern. Little more of this, and a little less of "shit fucktard terran player" and Idra has the potential to beat anyone. I think few people argues about his potential skill level. It is just that he is his own worst enemy. To be honest all the 'this player is shit' calling comes out of his mouth so often that I don't think it means anything anymore, its just a random thought coming into his mind at the time. He's a pro gamer, so I think it's fairly easy to say that he does analyse his replays and see what goes wrong. You don't know him personally and everything you said can't be backed up. He has stated in interviews before that just because something is imbalance doesn't stop him in figuring out how to beat it.
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On April 25 2013 06:26 chinboii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:08 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 24 2013 18:43 Fortii wrote: since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there. Have my doubts. He needs to stop whining about balance 24/7 if he hopes to win anything. If you blame all your loses on inbalance you don't look for solutions and you don't develop. The only thing that happens is that you strengthen your own conclusions of "imbalance" as it causes you to lose. Idra has the problem that he thinks himself to be a superior player and thus he instantly jumps to the conclusion that imbalance/"unworthy" play is the cause of his loss <-- This conclusion have ~0% chance of improving your gameplay. Analyze what went wrong, what and when you need to scout and then make a plan for how to adapt the next time you scout this pattern. Little more of this, and a little less of "shit fucktard terran player" and Idra has the potential to beat anyone. I think few people argues about his potential skill level. It is just that he is his own worst enemy. To be honest all the 'this player is shit' calling comes out of his mouth so often that I don't think it means anything anymore, its just a random thought coming into his mind at the time. He's a pro gamer, so I think it's fairly easy to say that he does analyse his replays and see what goes wrong. You don't know him personally and everything you said can't be backed up. He has stated in interviews before that just because something is imbalance doesn't stop him in figuring out how to beat it.
Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time ).
I am pretty sure he doesn't think demuslim is a shit player and just said it out of anger/habit. It's also a lot easier to say as soon as you lose to x race that x race is imbalanced, but after cooling off the player (me for instance and I imagine most) know what they did wrong and what they can do different. People take what Idra says after a loss way to seriously like it's lol worthy how many people take it seriously xD
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On April 25 2013 06:49 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:26 chinboii wrote:On April 25 2013 06:08 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 24 2013 18:43 Fortii wrote: since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there. Have my doubts. He needs to stop whining about balance 24/7 if he hopes to win anything. If you blame all your loses on inbalance you don't look for solutions and you don't develop. The only thing that happens is that you strengthen your own conclusions of "imbalance" as it causes you to lose. Idra has the problem that he thinks himself to be a superior player and thus he instantly jumps to the conclusion that imbalance/"unworthy" play is the cause of his loss <-- This conclusion have ~0% chance of improving your gameplay. Analyze what went wrong, what and when you need to scout and then make a plan for how to adapt the next time you scout this pattern. Little more of this, and a little less of "shit fucktard terran player" and Idra has the potential to beat anyone. I think few people argues about his potential skill level. It is just that he is his own worst enemy. To be honest all the 'this player is shit' calling comes out of his mouth so often that I don't think it means anything anymore, its just a random thought coming into his mind at the time. He's a pro gamer, so I think it's fairly easy to say that he does analyse his replays and see what goes wrong. You don't know him personally and everything you said can't be backed up. He has stated in interviews before that just because something is imbalance doesn't stop him in figuring out how to beat it. Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time  ). I am pretty sure he doesn't think demuslim is a shit player and just said it out of anger/habit. It's also a lot easier to say as soon as you lose to x race that x race is imbalanced, but after cooling off the player (me for instance and I imagine most) know what they did wrong and what they can do different. People take what Idra says after a loss way to seriously like it's lol worthy how many people take it seriously xD
Well apparently he is greatly under performing compared to his potential and I think it is clear for everyone to see that it is his state of mind that is his greatest opponent. If he does not think about imbalance/blame the imbalance he sure does at least spend a substantial part of his time to talk about it.
After all is the consensus among pros that the game seems relatively well balanced and it is still hard to tell what could be actual imbalance.are yet.
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On April 25 2013 09:06 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 06:49 blade55555 wrote:On April 25 2013 06:26 chinboii wrote:On April 25 2013 06:08 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 24 2013 18:43 Fortii wrote: since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there. Have my doubts. He needs to stop whining about balance 24/7 if he hopes to win anything. If you blame all your loses on inbalance you don't look for solutions and you don't develop. The only thing that happens is that you strengthen your own conclusions of "imbalance" as it causes you to lose. Idra has the problem that he thinks himself to be a superior player and thus he instantly jumps to the conclusion that imbalance/"unworthy" play is the cause of his loss <-- This conclusion have ~0% chance of improving your gameplay. Analyze what went wrong, what and when you need to scout and then make a plan for how to adapt the next time you scout this pattern. Little more of this, and a little less of "shit fucktard terran player" and Idra has the potential to beat anyone. I think few people argues about his potential skill level. It is just that he is his own worst enemy. To be honest all the 'this player is shit' calling comes out of his mouth so often that I don't think it means anything anymore, its just a random thought coming into his mind at the time. He's a pro gamer, so I think it's fairly easy to say that he does analyse his replays and see what goes wrong. You don't know him personally and everything you said can't be backed up. He has stated in interviews before that just because something is imbalance doesn't stop him in figuring out how to beat it. Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time  ). I am pretty sure he doesn't think demuslim is a shit player and just said it out of anger/habit. It's also a lot easier to say as soon as you lose to x race that x race is imbalanced, but after cooling off the player (me for instance and I imagine most) know what they did wrong and what they can do different. People take what Idra says after a loss way to seriously like it's lol worthy how many people take it seriously xD Well apparently he is greatly under performing compared to his potential and I think it is clear for everyone to see that it is his state of mind that is his greatest opponent. If he does not think about imbalance/blame the imbalance he sure does at least spend a substantial part of his time to talk about it. After all is the consensus among pros that the game seems relatively well balanced and it is still hard to tell what could be actual imbalance.are yet.
actually the consensus among pros is that terran is too strong in several ways and skytoss is unbeatable for zerg.
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opterown
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^ actually that might the consensus among zerg pros :p
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actually your post is ... not very good
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Idra hasn't been relevant or important in this community in a very long time, i'm surprised he even has fans anymore.. You people need to stop debating this or that about every little thing he says, who cares...
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Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time ).
this is me pretty much, first 30 seconds after a loss just screaming rage in my head then i cool down and point out my flaws
the fact you try to describe that strat as simple boggles my mind andthe strat relies around basically losing your first army and hoping you killed enough you survive to remax
makes me wonder how well that strat would actually work against a Protoss who turtles and goes for a halfmap situation (like hasuobs VS bly) and just sits over a good defensive position and engages in chokes
like on daybreak if the Protoss secures the middle he can always force you to engage in the choke and then just always deny the 12 o'clock and 5 o'clock bases while sitting on even bases and starve you out
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All I remember is, when he had a girlfriend, the MLG that was closest to it, he played like a God. Artosis predicted he could win the whole tournament, it was really really solid. I agree that the potential is there. He is also a smart person, I'm sure he would recognize if he's doing something wrong and be self-critical. But then the mystery is why isn't he at that level? There's a depressing conclusion which we can all imagine, and then there's the conclusion that it must be his mindset. Because if it were balance it would be affecting all zergs. So I tend to agree with 47ake.
Like we definitely don't know what's going on, maybe he's just saying demuslim is terrible but doesn't mean it. Its just that logically, you can deduce that there are only going to be a certain number of factors that prevent him from playing his best. So you can make a list, and you see that its either mindset or motivation, or you just conclude depressingly that this is his best. Maybe having a girlfriend motivated him? Is that what the problem is? All we can do is speculate, but I feel like there are only a limited number of possibilities here.
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People say Idra under performs because they see him lose on his stream when he's playing and talking at the same time while interacting with fans....lol last live event he been to he 2-0 roro and stephano, roro having been a gsl champion, also the only zerg in that entire tournament to take a game off rain. Idra plays a million times better at live events than online
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