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On April 25 2013 11:48 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time ). this is me pretty much, first 30 seconds after a loss just screaming rage in my head then i cool down and point out my flaws the fact you try to describe that strat as simple boggles my mind andthe strat relies around basically losing your first army and hoping you killed enough you survive to remax makes me wonder how well that strat would actually work against a Protoss who turtles and goes for a halfmap situation (like hasuobs VS bly) and just sits over a good defensive position and engages in chokes like on daybreak if the Protoss secures the middle he can always force you to engage in the choke and then just always deny the 12 o'clock and 5 o'clock bases while sitting on even bases and starve you out
Well considering the protoss players I beat (GM tosses on KR and obviously NA). I rarely lose late game yeah I it's beatable. Trust me on that one, protosses try to do it but zerg late game can fight the army pretty head on just fine. I mean I play the same protosses idra plays the difference is when it hits late game I win, when they get max voidray/colossi/templar I win.
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On April 25 2013 13:02 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 11:48 Forikorder wrote:Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time ). this is me pretty much, first 30 seconds after a loss just screaming rage in my head then i cool down and point out my flaws the fact you try to describe that strat as simple boggles my mind andthe strat relies around basically losing your first army and hoping you killed enough you survive to remax makes me wonder how well that strat would actually work against a Protoss who turtles and goes for a halfmap situation (like hasuobs VS bly) and just sits over a good defensive position and engages in chokes like on daybreak if the Protoss secures the middle he can always force you to engage in the choke and then just always deny the 12 o'clock and 5 o'clock bases while sitting on even bases and starve you out Well considering the protoss players I beat (GM tosses on KR and obviously NA). I rarely lose late game yeah I it's beatable. Trust me on that one, protosses try to do it but zerg late game can fight the army pretty head on just fine. I mean I play the same protosses idra plays the difference is when it hits late game I win, when they get max voidray/colossi/templar I win.
saying something is beatable isnt the same as saying its not overpowered
if a toss sits on daybreak, just turtles on 4 bases, stays near the chokes and his own defensive structures how would you deal with that?
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On April 25 2013 13:30 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 13:02 blade55555 wrote:On April 25 2013 11:48 Forikorder wrote:Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time ). this is me pretty much, first 30 seconds after a loss just screaming rage in my head then i cool down and point out my flaws the fact you try to describe that strat as simple boggles my mind andthe strat relies around basically losing your first army and hoping you killed enough you survive to remax makes me wonder how well that strat would actually work against a Protoss who turtles and goes for a halfmap situation (like hasuobs VS bly) and just sits over a good defensive position and engages in chokes like on daybreak if the Protoss secures the middle he can always force you to engage in the choke and then just always deny the 12 o'clock and 5 o'clock bases while sitting on even bases and starve you out Well considering the protoss players I beat (GM tosses on KR and obviously NA). I rarely lose late game yeah I it's beatable. Trust me on that one, protosses try to do it but zerg late game can fight the army pretty head on just fine. I mean I play the same protosses idra plays the difference is when it hits late game I win, when they get max voidray/colossi/templar I win. saying something is beatable isnt the same as saying its not overpowered if a toss sits on daybreak, just turtles on 4 bases, stays near the chokes and his own defensive structures how would you deal with that?
Same way I said in the guide. If he is going voidray/colossi or voidray/colossi/templar then ultra/sh/hydra/viper with a couple infestors if the game doesn't end when I get ultra/hydra/viper/sh out. I win even in split map situations on daybreak where they try it just did it a couple of times recently. Most of the time I kill toss before he gets a 3rd as I almost am always able to deny the 4'th on daybreak but on the rare chance I do it just comes down to engaging properly.
If you mess up or attack badly then yeah you are going to lose the fight. Zerg should make sure that ultra are in front, hydra in back and locusts from swarmhosts go first before engaging the toss deathball.
I do have replays show casing toss losing on daybreak to there are 10 or so replays in that thread all in late game situations.
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On April 25 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
^ actually that might the consensus among zerg pros :p
Even this is not true. Catz said on SOTG that the meta favours Z. Life said that T and P is fine. And none of the Kespa or GSL Z have complained in recent interviews. It's really only Ret, a good friend of IdrA's, and Stephano that have been complaining vocally lately.
As IdrA himself has said, he's not a very innovative player. He rather takes strats and refines them. So this is just a bit of a bad time for him, but I think the current meta of multi-harass and constant micro-macro will suit him infinitely better than the end of WoL deathballing.
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On April 25 2013 14:24 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:20 opterown wrote:
^ actually that might the consensus among zerg pros :p Even this is not true. Catz said on SOTG that the meta favours Z. Life said that T and P is fine. And none of the Kespa or GSL Z have complained in recent interviews. It's really only Ret, a good friend of IdrA's, and Stephano that have been complaining vocally lately. As IdrA himself has said, he's not a very innovative player. He rather takes strats and refines them. So this is just a bit of a bad time for him, but I think the current meta of multi-harass and constant micro-macro will suit him infinitely better than the end of WoL deathballing.
i wouldnt take Lifes interview too seriously the Koreans are always joking around and being BM every single chance they get because it makes there fans go crazy
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but saying that "the balance is fine" is hardly BM or jokey though? unless there is a lot lost in translation
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On April 25 2013 09:17 Fortii wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 09:06 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 25 2013 06:49 blade55555 wrote:On April 25 2013 06:26 chinboii wrote:On April 25 2013 06:08 4ZakeN87 wrote:On April 24 2013 18:43 Fortii wrote:
since this shoutcraft thing is the tournament style idra wanted, lets hope he will play&do well in there. Have my doubts. He needs to stop whining about balance 24/7 if he hopes to win anything. If you blame all your loses on inbalance you don't look for solutions and you don't develop. The only thing that happens is that you strengthen your own conclusions of "imbalance" as it causes you to lose. Idra has the problem that he thinks himself to be a superior player and thus he instantly jumps to the conclusion that imbalance/"unworthy" play is the cause of his loss <-- This conclusion have ~0% chance of improving your gameplay. Analyze what went wrong, what and when you need to scout and then make a plan for how to adapt the next time you scout this pattern. Little more of this, and a little less of "shit fucktard terran player" and Idra has the potential to beat anyone. I think few people argues about his potential skill level. It is just that he is his own worst enemy. To be honest all the 'this player is shit' calling comes out of his mouth so often that I don't think it means anything anymore, its just a random thought coming into his mind at the time. He's a pro gamer, so I think it's fairly easy to say that he does analyse his replays and see what goes wrong. You don't know him personally and everything you said can't be backed up. He has stated in interviews before that just because something is imbalance doesn't stop him in figuring out how to beat it. Pretty much this. I know I think to myself when I lose sometimes that I lost to a shit player even though it's just anger and later I know that player I lost to wasn't shit (most of the time  ). I am pretty sure he doesn't think demuslim is a shit player and just said it out of anger/habit. It's also a lot easier to say as soon as you lose to x race that x race is imbalanced, but after cooling off the player (me for instance and I imagine most) know what they did wrong and what they can do different. People take what Idra says after a loss way to seriously like it's lol worthy how many people take it seriously xD Well apparently he is greatly under performing compared to his potential and I think it is clear for everyone to see that it is his state of mind that is his greatest opponent. If he does not think about imbalance/blame the imbalance he sure does at least spend a substantial part of his time to talk about it. After all is the consensus among pros that the game seems relatively well balanced and it is still hard to tell what could be actual imbalance.are yet. actually the consensus among pros is that terran is too strong in several ways and skytoss is unbeatable for zerg.
Actually what you referring to is the consensus of the community, which is less interesting. Well if your a idra fanboys I guess it is the same thing. Anyway, sure whatever we go Idra fan page mode instead. Idra is fantastic, he is performing great and his mental attitude is lifting him to new levels!
Denial is the easy way out for mankind in general so why would it be any different here.
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thank you for that psychologycal breakdown, now i can spare the few hundred bucks and spend them for my idra shrine i built in my closet while walking the world with opened eyes.
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On April 25 2013 16:51 4ZakeN87 wrote:
Anyway, sure whatever we go Idra fan page mode instead. Idra is fantastic, he is performing great and his mental attitude is lifting him to new levels!
Denial is the easy way out for mankind in general so why would it be any different here.
<fry>Can't tell if trolling...</fry>
Anyway, at least half of this fanclub is Idra fans saying that Idra needs to improve his mindset and that he could be playing better, so what you just wrote isn't really "Idra fan page mode". Now please stop with the butthurt and let us celebrate our favourite player. 'Cause, you know, that's what fans do, regardless of the player's current performance.
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Definitely good time to have a pause from practicing. WCS is in couple of days and that shoutcraft thing only takes top 16 and idra is not in it anymore. Ofc its possible that he has a barcode but imo its not likely.
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Hopefully idra plays well in the shoutcraft America thing. Idra's presence will draw a lot of viewership numbers, and well djwheat said we will get 50k viewers, so lets show up lol.
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Feel free to use this in OP.
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wow, this picture is probably pretty old ^^
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haha great picture, can make a lot of funny image macros from that
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idra streaming, good music, commentary and muscles :D
hey blade, he just talked about you and your counter to skytoss, he said he will watch your replays and stuff to see if its usefull.
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On April 26 2013 05:12 Fortii wrote:
idra streaming, good music, commentary and muscles :D
hey blade, he just talked about you and your counter to skytoss, he said he will watch your replays and stuff to see if its usefull.
That's awesome! Glad he is willing to at least check it out ^_^.
Been watching him just can't listen cause i'm at school :D
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On April 26 2013 05:27 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:12 Fortii wrote:
idra streaming, good music, commentary and muscles :D
hey blade, he just talked about you and your counter to skytoss, he said he will watch your replays and stuff to see if its usefull. That's awesome! Glad he is willing to at least check it out ^_^. Been watching him just can't listen cause i'm at school :D
Having the Gracken himself checking out your replays for strategies is pretty fucking cool! :D
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all the stupid bm stuff aside, idra vs demuslim when they both have streams up is really nice to watch 
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Hey Greg, i am in the office at work at the nightshift and watched your stream for a few hrs now. 3hrs are killed now. i agree to the most opinions you have about terran. to cut the long story short: as you said: the units are too cheap for how good they are. end of the story. keep on fighting. and btw, nice game vs QXC. and all the other games. even the ZvZ s were entertaining.
fan club admin: please add me.
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On April 26 2013 10:12 ypslala wrote:
Hey Greg, i am in the office at work at the nightshift and watched your stream for a few hrs now. 3hrs are killed now. i agree to the most opinions you have about terran. to cut the long story short: as you said: the units are too cheap for how good they are. end of the story. keep on fighting. and btw, nice game vs QXC. and all the other games. even the ZvZ s were entertaining.
fan club admin: please add me.
its kinda rediculous how Terran literally never have to tech up jsut marine marauder widow mine
Terran need better T3 or maybe they need to nerf the widow mine and buff the siege tank (with corresponding cost) because right now Terran jsut sit on T1 units all game and alot of themg et reactered out
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