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mjnbowlgod
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
April 12 2013 07:33 GMT
#54961
I want to help idra improve and win. so my tip from observing his games is this: He needs to improve his mechanics a bit, he is much slower than almost any successful korean and thats a fact. I dont think any one would argue hes not smart, hes very smart, so thats not his weakness. his weakness is simply his mechanics, in which the speed hes capable to play at. He needs to just strip it down and work on it.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-12 07:42:46
April 12 2013 07:37 GMT
#54962
On April 12 2013 16:33 mjnbowlgod wrote:
I want to help idra improve and win. so my tip from observing his games is this: He needs to improve his mechanics a bit, he is much slower than almost any successful korean and thats a fact. I dont think any one would argue hes not smart, hes very smart, so thats not his weakness. his weakness is simply his mechanics, in which the speed hes capable to play at. He needs to just strip it down and work on it.


tbh I think his zvp is just really bad. He keeps going roach/hydra and I don't understand it. It's really his biggest problem he goes roach/hydra loses a lot of his zvp's especially zvp games he has in the bag but then goes roach/hydra and tries to win with it which doesn't really work anymore :/.

His mechanics could be better but that's not his main issue right now. His zvz/zvt is actually not that bad and I can understand his frusterations with the mu (zvt is really frustrating to play atm). His zvp is just really bad right now.

When I think of something else, something will go here
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
April 12 2013 07:58 GMT
#54963
so his zvp is just as it used to be .. sadly
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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
April 12 2013 17:08 GMT
#54964
On April 12 2013 16:37 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 16:33 mjnbowlgod wrote:
I want to help idra improve and win. so my tip from observing his games is this: He needs to improve his mechanics a bit, he is much slower than almost any successful korean and thats a fact. I dont think any one would argue hes not smart, hes very smart, so thats not his weakness. his weakness is simply his mechanics, in which the speed hes capable to play at. He needs to just strip it down and work on it.


tbh I think his zvp is just really bad. He keeps going roach/hydra and I don't understand it. It's really his biggest problem he goes roach/hydra loses a lot of his zvp's especially zvp games he has in the bag but then goes roach/hydra and tries to win with it which doesn't really work anymore :/.

His mechanics could be better but that's not his main issue right now. His zvz/zvt is actually not that bad and I can understand his frusterations with the mu (zvt is really frustrating to play atm). His zvp is just really bad right now.



Stephano does basically the same thing

Idra's mechanics is really lacking. Or more: Sometimes they are fantastic, sometimes they are just horrendous.

He also has one of the worst army controls in the bussines, god the dread of his infestor controls singlehandily made him lose zvp in wol.

He has serious control issues sometimes.


I just hope he improves overall, he plays the game needed (about as many as demuslim) but probably set himself heavy heavily to go into wsc as the na representative. Or he is just busy with a lot on his mind.
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Lefaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland313 Posts
April 12 2013 18:20 GMT
#54965
I dont think his mechanics are bad. His micro is usually very good, his banes connect into marines almost always, muta control is still amazing etc and injects are pretty good. Sometimes his army control very bad, but sometimes he can build very nice surrounds etc. I think his errors are not because of his mechanics are bad he just gets frustrated and doesnt micro/engage as well as he could cos he thinks he is already lost the game.

Also you can always see the difference in his game when he plays against good opponent.
Nerosus
Profile Joined April 2012
United States17 Posts
April 12 2013 20:01 GMT
#54966
I notice that most of us are under the assumption he plays at 100% when he streams. That his strats are the same, and that he does the same things as he does in tournament play.

However, if you watch him play live during a tournament, or against a particularly good player, he plays much faster than on ladder. You can just hear the difference in the keyboard strokes in streaming ladder vs IRL. I think it could be to keep from wearing out his wrists/hands while he plays.

In his games vs minigun, we did see him go that hydra/ultra/swarmhost/viper didn't we? I think we don't put enough trust into his play. He's still excellent and smarter than we make him out to be at times, he just does as every Korean does as well, he hides his potential.
immanentblue
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark110 Posts
April 13 2013 01:39 GMT
#54967
On April 13 2013 05:01 Nerosus wrote:
I notice that most of us are under the assumption he plays at 100% when he streams. That his strats are the same, and that he does the same things as he does in tournament play.

However, if you watch him play live during a tournament, or against a particularly good player, he plays much faster than on ladder. You can just hear the difference in the keyboard strokes in streaming ladder vs IRL. I think it could be to keep from wearing out his wrists/hands while he plays.

In his games vs minigun, we did see him go that hydra/ultra/swarmhost/viper didn't we? I think we don't put enough trust into his play. He's still excellent and smarter than we make him out to be at times, he just does as every Korean does as well, he hides his potential.


I dont know about hiding his potential, but he sure plays better when under pressure... i think the truest thing ever said about Idras play is that he plays his very best when he feels hes ahead, and his very worst when he feels hes behind... and most of all his competitive mindset usually only triggers when there is something on the line... and then Blade is also right... his ZvP just sucks as usual, but id be more worried if that wasnt the case
gyad
Profile Joined May 2010
United States423 Posts
April 13 2013 02:58 GMT
#54968
One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game.

Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
April 13 2013 03:04 GMT
#54969
On April 13 2013 11:58 gyad wrote:
One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game.


hes too good at understanding the metagame and reading ahead so hell see something and assume its something standard without scouting as heavily as he probably should
Starshaped
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 03:20:46
April 13 2013 03:12 GMT
#54970
On April 13 2013 11:58 gyad wrote:
One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game.



That logic hurts my brain. I remember when Idra was playing BW fulltime in Korea and managed to get stomped hard by some foreigner in some showmatch and his excuse was more or less what you just said, lol.

I've watched Idra's stream a lot and it seems like almost every time he says he's about to win, he gets destroyed, and whenever he makes a prediction based on scouting it's very often wrong. His reaction? "what a silly race" or "what a retarded noob opponent". Of all Idra's faults, being "too smart" is definitely not one of them.

In my opinion it seems he has a terrible mindest, doesn't enjoy the game at all, and tilts very easily. Couple this with lacklustre micro and an inability to adapt and you basically have the reason why he hasn't been doing well.

edit: link regarding the BW showmatch I mentioned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342
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BakedButters
Profile Joined November 2011
United States748 Posts
April 13 2013 06:33 GMT
#54971
Idra's macro is pretty good, but his micro is almost non existent. This is why he is better (though not great) at TvZ, where his macro helps as he can sometimes overwhelm the Terran.

However, in ZvP no the toss, even with lesser supply, with proper micro the toss destroys his army because Idra doesn't micro/ position his army properly
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Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
April 13 2013 07:46 GMT
#54972
On April 12 2013 16:37 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2013 16:33 mjnbowlgod wrote:
I want to help idra improve and win. so my tip from observing his games is this: He needs to improve his mechanics a bit, he is much slower than almost any successful korean and thats a fact. I dont think any one would argue hes not smart, hes very smart, so thats not his weakness. his weakness is simply his mechanics, in which the speed hes capable to play at. He needs to just strip it down and work on it.


tbh I think his zvp is just really bad. He keeps going roach/hydra and I don't understand it. It's really his biggest problem he goes roach/hydra loses a lot of his zvp's especially zvp games he has in the bag but then goes roach/hydra and tries to win with it which doesn't really work anymore :/.

His mechanics could be better but that's not his main issue right now. His zvz/zvt is actually not that bad and I can understand his frusterations with the mu (zvt is really frustrating to play atm). His zvp is just really bad right now.


Maybe its from playing with Stephano. Stephano makes roach-hydra work in his z v p.
VanSCPurge
Profile Joined November 2012
United States169 Posts
April 13 2013 10:32 GMT
#54973
On April 13 2013 12:12 Starshaped wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 11:58 gyad wrote:
One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game.



That logic hurts my brain. I remember when Idra was playing BW fulltime in Korea and managed to get stomped hard by some foreigner in some showmatch and his excuse was more or less what you just said, lol.

I've watched Idra's stream a lot and it seems like almost every time he says he's about to win, he gets destroyed, and whenever he makes a prediction based on scouting it's very often wrong. His reaction? "what a silly race" or "what a retarded noob opponent". Of all Idra's faults, being "too smart" is definitely not one of them.

In my opinion it seems he has a terrible mindest, doesn't enjoy the game at all, and tilts very easily. Couple this with lacklustre micro and an inability to adapt and you basically have the reason why he hasn't been doing well.

edit: link regarding the BW showmatch I mentioned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342



You do realize you are posting in his fanclub right? If you're basing your entire opinion of him around his initial reactions after a loss, then I would question your ability to think critically. You obviously have never heard any of his teammates talk about what his mindset actually is after losses and based that opinion only on what you see on his stream.

As far as the mindset goes, I will give you that a lot of the time his mindset is poor. He tilts easily, but that's no secret. His micro is decent. Not great, but decent. Inability to adapt is almost laughable, seeing as how he's always one of the first players to switch to a new meta. I mean hell he basically invented the current ZvZ meta.


That logic can hurt your brain all it wants, on some level that can actually affect his play. Making a choice based on the logical reaction to something, and then having your opponent do something different CAN really mess with you. To be honest, if he scouted more, this wouldn't be an issue, but the point remains.
"Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth." -S. Holmes
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 13 2013 10:55 GMT
#54974
on the topic of micro and control.(I've said this in the past as well) His specific unit micro is usually really good it seems to me. His muta micro, ling/bane micro etc all seem to be really high up in terms of foreigners, but I think it's his general army management that goes to shit a lot of times. Also, this seems to be an area where Stephano excells as well.

Either way, none of us(maybe bar Blade as far as I know) are actually qualified to say shit about why Idra isn't doing that well all the time *on ladder*. His play against *real* opponents and offline is usually tons better. But then again, that doesn't explain the embarassing loss to Minigun from earlier
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Sryinex
Profile Joined January 2012
United States40 Posts
April 13 2013 10:56 GMT
#54975
As a big fan, it's been a bit difficult to watch him(stream) since the release of HoTs. He seems to be at a pretty low point right now in terms of enjoyment. It seems as if every single game that he plays against a non-teammate/friend just involves calling them bad and balance whine. I'm not saying there isn't any truth to what he says, but it seems to be hitting him especially hard. I feel as if there needs to be a level of accountability, a self-admittance that a game was lost not because of balance issues, or 'unusual' play by 'bad' players, but rather by his own accord. I have to think that regardless of the implications, having a real coach like Park would be a massive help to him especially. I don't think he would take the current attitude towards the game, and would in turn force him to re-analyze what he is doing wrong to lose these games, and what he could be doing to better himself in the future. I have hope that EG will have something like that with the SF move later on and WCS.

I would love to see him start getting at least a little bit of enjoyment out of the game/competition. He's one of those players where the potential is right there, just waiting for the right catalyst to trigger it. Would love to see him contending for WCS NA, that would be awesome.
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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
April 13 2013 12:24 GMT
#54976
On April 13 2013 19:32 VanSCPurge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 12:12 Starshaped wrote:
On April 13 2013 11:58 gyad wrote:
One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game.



That logic hurts my brain. I remember when Idra was playing BW fulltime in Korea and managed to get stomped hard by some foreigner in some showmatch and his excuse was more or less what you just said, lol.

I've watched Idra's stream a lot and it seems like almost every time he says he's about to win, he gets destroyed, and whenever he makes a prediction based on scouting it's very often wrong. His reaction? "what a silly race" or "what a retarded noob opponent". Of all Idra's faults, being "too smart" is definitely not one of them.

In my opinion it seems he has a terrible mindest, doesn't enjoy the game at all, and tilts very easily. Couple this with lacklustre micro and an inability to adapt and you basically have the reason why he hasn't been doing well.

edit: link regarding the BW showmatch I mentioned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342



You do realize you are posting in his fanclub right? If you're basing your entire opinion of him around his initial reactions after a loss, then I would question your ability to think critically. You obviously have never heard any of his teammates talk about what his mindset actually is after losses and based that opinion only on what you see on his stream.

As far as the mindset goes, I will give you that a lot of the time his mindset is poor. He tilts easily, but that's no secret. His micro is decent. Not great, but decent. Inability to adapt is almost laughable, seeing as how he's always one of the first players to switch to a new meta. I mean hell he basically invented the current ZvZ meta.


That logic can hurt your brain all it wants, on some level that can actually affect his play. Making a choice based on the logical reaction to something, and then having your opponent do something different CAN really mess with you. To be honest, if he scouted more, this wouldn't be an issue, but the point remains.


What are you talking about? Inveted the current zvz meta? What?

God even idra says himself he is not very creative, but is good at adapting other builds.

And your post is so weird, for godsake we have years of him leaving important games that he could easily have won.
He even said himself he has a terrible mindset and that he tries to play to that the opponent is ''smart'' and does not adjust to different players.


Even then your post is so weird, you somehow spite his post yet agree with him on all accounts in text.


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Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
April 13 2013 13:01 GMT
#54977
this is the most negative fanclub in history
IdrA!
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-13 13:03:31
April 13 2013 13:02 GMT
#54978
On April 13 2013 22:01 Fortii wrote:
this is the most negative fanclub in history

But we're also the coolest, and probably the most dedicated.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
April 13 2013 13:14 GMT
#54979
On April 13 2013 22:02 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 22:01 Fortii wrote:
this is the most negative fanclub in history

But we're also the coolest, and probably the most dedicated.

Did any other fanclub get their mancrush a cheer-up basket with swizz chocolate and a kindle loaded with books from his favourite authors? I THINK NOT

We're the awesomest, mk?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Fortii
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany760 Posts
April 13 2013 13:53 GMT
#54980
all i want is more idra in my starcraft because starcraft sucks balls without him and i dont watch it at all
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