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mjnbowlgod
198 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:33 mjnbowlgod wrote: I want to help idra improve and win. so my tip from observing his games is this: He needs to improve his mechanics a bit, he is much slower than almost any successful korean and thats a fact. I dont think any one would argue hes not smart, hes very smart, so thats not his weakness. his weakness is simply his mechanics, in which the speed hes capable to play at. He needs to just strip it down and work on it. tbh I think his zvp is just really bad. He keeps going roach/hydra and I don't understand it. It's really his biggest problem he goes roach/hydra loses a lot of his zvp's especially zvp games he has in the bag but then goes roach/hydra and tries to win with it which doesn't really work anymore :/. His mechanics could be better but that's not his main issue right now. His zvz/zvt is actually not that bad and I can understand his frusterations with the mu (zvt is really frustrating to play atm). His zvp is just really bad right now. | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:37 blade55555 wrote: tbh I think his zvp is just really bad. He keeps going roach/hydra and I don't understand it. It's really his biggest problem he goes roach/hydra loses a lot of his zvp's especially zvp games he has in the bag but then goes roach/hydra and tries to win with it which doesn't really work anymore :/. His mechanics could be better but that's not his main issue right now. His zvz/zvt is actually not that bad and I can understand his frusterations with the mu (zvt is really frustrating to play atm). His zvp is just really bad right now. Stephano does basically the same thing Idra's mechanics is really lacking. Or more: Sometimes they are fantastic, sometimes they are just horrendous. He also has one of the worst army controls in the bussines, god the dread of his infestor controls singlehandily made him lose zvp in wol. He has serious control issues sometimes. I just hope he improves overall, he plays the game needed (about as many as demuslim) but probably set himself heavy heavily to go into wsc as the na representative. Or he is just busy with a lot on his mind. | ||
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Lefaa
Finland313 Posts
Also you can always see the difference in his game when he plays against good opponent. | ||
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Nerosus
United States17 Posts
However, if you watch him play live during a tournament, or against a particularly good player, he plays much faster than on ladder. You can just hear the difference in the keyboard strokes in streaming ladder vs IRL. I think it could be to keep from wearing out his wrists/hands while he plays. In his games vs minigun, we did see him go that hydra/ultra/swarmhost/viper didn't we? I think we don't put enough trust into his play. He's still excellent and smarter than we make him out to be at times, he just does as every Korean does as well, he hides his potential. | ||
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immanentblue
Denmark110 Posts
On April 13 2013 05:01 Nerosus wrote: I notice that most of us are under the assumption he plays at 100% when he streams. That his strats are the same, and that he does the same things as he does in tournament play. However, if you watch him play live during a tournament, or against a particularly good player, he plays much faster than on ladder. You can just hear the difference in the keyboard strokes in streaming ladder vs IRL. I think it could be to keep from wearing out his wrists/hands while he plays. In his games vs minigun, we did see him go that hydra/ultra/swarmhost/viper didn't we? I think we don't put enough trust into his play. He's still excellent and smarter than we make him out to be at times, he just does as every Korean does as well, he hides his potential. I dont know about hiding his potential, but he sure plays better when under pressure... i think the truest thing ever said about Idras play is that he plays his very best when he feels hes ahead, and his very worst when he feels hes behind... and most of all his competitive mindset usually only triggers when there is something on the line... and then Blade is also right... his ZvP just sucks as usual, but id be more worried if that wasnt the case  | ||
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gyad
United States423 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 13 2013 11:58 gyad wrote: One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game. hes too good at understanding the metagame and reading ahead so hell see something and assume its something standard without scouting as heavily as he probably should | ||
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Starshaped
Sweden575 Posts
On April 13 2013 11:58 gyad wrote: One can argue that Idra's biggest problem is that he plays too "smart". Often times, inferior players win by doing counter intuitive things or taking silly risks. Idra look at a situation and thinks about the things a "smart player" would do and "counters" that. But then his opponent does something totally random, and throws him off his game. That logic hurts my brain. I remember when Idra was playing BW fulltime in Korea and managed to get stomped hard by some foreigner in some showmatch and his excuse was more or less what you just said, lol. I've watched Idra's stream a lot and it seems like almost every time he says he's about to win, he gets destroyed, and whenever he makes a prediction based on scouting it's very often wrong. His reaction? "what a silly race" or "what a retarded noob opponent". Of all Idra's faults, being "too smart" is definitely not one of them. In my opinion it seems he has a terrible mindest, doesn't enjoy the game at all, and tilts very easily. Couple this with lacklustre micro and an inability to adapt and you basically have the reason why he hasn't been doing well. edit: link regarding the BW showmatch I mentioned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 | ||
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BakedButters
United States748 Posts
However, in ZvP no the toss, even with lesser supply, with proper micro the toss destroys his army because Idra doesn't micro/ position his army properly | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On April 12 2013 16:37 blade55555 wrote: tbh I think his zvp is just really bad. He keeps going roach/hydra and I don't understand it. It's really his biggest problem he goes roach/hydra loses a lot of his zvp's especially zvp games he has in the bag but then goes roach/hydra and tries to win with it which doesn't really work anymore :/. His mechanics could be better but that's not his main issue right now. His zvz/zvt is actually not that bad and I can understand his frusterations with the mu (zvt is really frustrating to play atm). His zvp is just really bad right now. Maybe its from playing with Stephano. Stephano makes roach-hydra work in his z v p. | ||
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VanSCPurge
United States169 Posts
On April 13 2013 12:12 Starshaped wrote: That logic hurts my brain. I remember when Idra was playing BW fulltime in Korea and managed to get stomped hard by some foreigner in some showmatch and his excuse was more or less what you just said, lol. I've watched Idra's stream a lot and it seems like almost every time he says he's about to win, he gets destroyed, and whenever he makes a prediction based on scouting it's very often wrong. His reaction? "what a silly race" or "what a retarded noob opponent". Of all Idra's faults, being "too smart" is definitely not one of them. In my opinion it seems he has a terrible mindest, doesn't enjoy the game at all, and tilts very easily. Couple this with lacklustre micro and an inability to adapt and you basically have the reason why he hasn't been doing well. edit: link regarding the BW showmatch I mentioned: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88342 You do realize you are posting in his fanclub right? If you're basing your entire opinion of him around his initial reactions after a loss, then I would question your ability to think critically. You obviously have never heard any of his teammates talk about what his mindset actually is after losses and based that opinion only on what you see on his stream. As far as the mindset goes, I will give you that a lot of the time his mindset is poor. He tilts easily, but that's no secret. His micro is decent. Not great, but decent. Inability to adapt is almost laughable, seeing as how he's always one of the first players to switch to a new meta. I mean hell he basically invented the current ZvZ meta. That logic can hurt your brain all it wants, on some level that can actually affect his play. Making a choice based on the logical reaction to something, and then having your opponent do something different CAN really mess with you. To be honest, if he scouted more, this wouldn't be an issue, but the point remains. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
Either way, none of us(maybe bar Blade as far as I know) are actually qualified to say shit about why Idra isn't doing that well all the time *on ladder*. His play against *real* opponents and offline is usually tons better. But then again, that doesn't explain the embarassing loss to Minigun from earlier | ||
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Sryinex
United States40 Posts
I would love to see him start getting at least a little bit of enjoyment out of the game/competition. He's one of those players where the potential is right there, just waiting for the right catalyst to trigger it. Would love to see him contending for WCS NA, that would be awesome. | ||
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Facultyadjutant
Sweden1876 Posts
On April 13 2013 19:32 VanSCPurge wrote: You do realize you are posting in his fanclub right? If you're basing your entire opinion of him around his initial reactions after a loss, then I would question your ability to think critically. You obviously have never heard any of his teammates talk about what his mindset actually is after losses and based that opinion only on what you see on his stream. As far as the mindset goes, I will give you that a lot of the time his mindset is poor. He tilts easily, but that's no secret. His micro is decent. Not great, but decent. Inability to adapt is almost laughable, seeing as how he's always one of the first players to switch to a new meta. I mean hell he basically invented the current ZvZ meta. That logic can hurt your brain all it wants, on some level that can actually affect his play. Making a choice based on the logical reaction to something, and then having your opponent do something different CAN really mess with you. To be honest, if he scouted more, this wouldn't be an issue, but the point remains. What are you talking about? Inveted the current zvz meta? What? God even idra says himself he is not very creative, but is good at adapting other builds. And your post is so weird, for godsake we have years of him leaving important games that he could easily have won. He even said himself he has a terrible mindset and that he tries to play to that the opponent is ''smart'' and does not adjust to different players. Even then your post is so weird, you somehow spite his post yet agree with him on all accounts in text. | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On April 13 2013 22:01 Fortii wrote: this is the most negative fanclub in history But we're also the coolest, and probably the most dedicated. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On April 13 2013 22:02 Chewbacca. wrote: But we're also the coolest, and probably the most dedicated. Did any other fanclub get their mancrush a cheer-up basket with swizz chocolate and a kindle loaded with books from his favourite authors? I THINK NOT We're the awesomest, mk? | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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