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Karthane
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1183 Posts
May 17 2012 04:54 GMT
#43301
On May 17 2012 13:39 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
If Idra really does hate SC2 so much then why not go back to Broodwar? Maybe he should have never switched games in the first place.


Because it's a dead game outside of Korea, and is in the process of dying in Korea.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
May 17 2012 04:55 GMT
#43302
On May 17 2012 13:39 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
If Idra really does hate SC2 so much then why not go back to Broodwar? Maybe he should have never switched games in the first place.

cause BW is switching to SC2...
instantdry
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada308 Posts
May 17 2012 05:13 GMT
#43303
he lost to STX =(
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
May 17 2012 08:39 GMT
#43304
First MU is vs Socke in Spring arena 2 :/

I hope he does not get sent to losers first round. He really does not need that :|
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
May 17 2012 10:06 GMT
#43305
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 10:35:32
May 17 2012 10:32 GMT
#43306
On May 17 2012 19:06 Aocowns wrote:
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..


g1 was a 2 base push by STX, with hellions and rines and medivacs

g2 was a longer game with both on 3 bases, both armies moved out at the same time and idra went for a base trade instead of attacking the army as it was moving out and unsieged, he made STX lift most of his shit and then went back to kill STX's army but didn't have enough as idra lost a ton of banes, exploding them on buildings etc

if he had had banes in g1 he could have held but i dunno, as for g2 he could have engaged the army and probably won from there but I'm not sure if he spotted that it had moved out and i dunno his reasoning for continuing a basetrade after he realised there was no army at STX's base
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
May 17 2012 10:40 GMT
#43307
On May 17 2012 19:32 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 19:06 Aocowns wrote:
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..


g1 was a 2 base push by STX, with hellions and rines and medivacs

g2 was a longer game with both on 3 bases, both armies moved out at the same time and idra went for a base trade instead of attacking the army as it was moving out and unsieged, he made STX lift most of his shit and then went back to kill STX's army but didn't have enough as idra lost a ton of banes, exploding them on buildings etc

if he had had banes in g1 he could have held but i dunno, as for g2 he could have engaged the army and probably won from there but I'm not sure if he spotted that it had moved out and i dunno his reasoning for continuing a basetrade after he realised there was no army at STX's base

So game 1 was a close loss, and g2 was a retarded decision to try a basetrade agaisnt terran without mutas....? He used infestor style, right?
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
mlm
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria164 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 12:10:25
May 17 2012 12:08 GMT
#43308
On May 17 2012 19:40 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 19:32 mememolly wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:06 Aocowns wrote:
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..


g1 was a 2 base push by STX, with hellions and rines and medivacs

g2 was a longer game with both on 3 bases, both armies moved out at the same time and idra went for a base trade instead of attacking the army as it was moving out and unsieged, he made STX lift most of his shit and then went back to kill STX's army but didn't have enough as idra lost a ton of banes, exploding them on buildings etc

if he had had banes in g1 he could have held but i dunno, as for g2 he could have engaged the army and probably won from there but I'm not sure if he spotted that it had moved out and i dunno his reasoning for continuing a basetrade after he realised there was no army at STX's base

So game 1 was a close loss, and g2 was a retarded decision to try a basetrade agaisnt terran without mutas....? He used infestor style, right?

Yeah you know IdrA, he's gonna grind a style out no matter what :/

Man, I'd prefer if IdrA take a few days off after MLG and play something else, Diablo 3 for example, to get the stress off. This is killing my heart

BTW guys, I'm a noob and in no way able to think like the pros and may be because the casters overplayed this too much, but do you think his problem is not macro, micro or anything but decision making? He makes really weird decision sometimes :/
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
May 17 2012 12:17 GMT
#43309
On May 17 2012 21:08 mlm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 19:40 Aocowns wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:32 mememolly wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:06 Aocowns wrote:
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..


g1 was a 2 base push by STX, with hellions and rines and medivacs

g2 was a longer game with both on 3 bases, both armies moved out at the same time and idra went for a base trade instead of attacking the army as it was moving out and unsieged, he made STX lift most of his shit and then went back to kill STX's army but didn't have enough as idra lost a ton of banes, exploding them on buildings etc

if he had had banes in g1 he could have held but i dunno, as for g2 he could have engaged the army and probably won from there but I'm not sure if he spotted that it had moved out and i dunno his reasoning for continuing a basetrade after he realised there was no army at STX's base

So game 1 was a close loss, and g2 was a retarded decision to try a basetrade agaisnt terran without mutas....? He used infestor style, right?

Yeah you know IdrA, he's gonna grind a style out no matter what :/

Man, I'd prefer if IdrA take a few days off after MLG and play something else, Diablo 3 for example, to get the stress off. This is killing my heart

BTW guys, I'm a noob and in no way able to think like the pros and may be because the casters overplayed this too much, but do you think his problem is not macro, micro or anything but decision making? He makes really weird decision sometimes :/

I haven't gotten to watch his games in a while, since he has not streamed, and the games have all been pay to watch or at 4AM for Europeans, but as far as I have noticed, he lacks in decision making and general army management. His specific unit micro, like with mutas and ling/bane is exceptional, but for example his roach army, and his infestor broodlord army always seem to caught at bad angles, missing opportunities, or giving the opponent opportunities. His macro has always been incredible, and it still is incredible so there's nothing to say on that.

Besides, he said he didn't find Diablo 3 to be any fun whatsoever He had played the Beta with the EG guys, but he said he found it pointless and boring or something like that.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
May 17 2012 12:19 GMT
#43310
im pretty sure greg tunes in to GSL, and i know that he knows yugioh too. personally being the biggest yugioh fan, watched games 1-3 yugioh vs MKP, even under the worst odds, he made it through. nothing extremely creative from yugioh, but he sure did make the situation to the best of his ability. despite screwing up a few times, he took down MKP.

and out of all of SlayerS he is the only to make code S.

great mentality, full of determination on his face.

Certainly inspiring no?

| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Crake_
Profile Joined March 2011
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 14:01:47
May 17 2012 14:01 GMT
#43311
Greg needs to take a break from SC2 until he feels like playing again. He just doesn't care at all about the most crucial aspects of the game.

Calling it now: Greg's going to slump for a little while longer, hit a personal rock-bottom, have a moment of clarity, then come back and dominate. But it's going to be a rough year or two for him.
rogzardo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
610 Posts
May 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#43312
He'll be back. Everyone wrote off MVP a few months ago and now he's about to win GSL #4. Same shit here.
mlm
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria164 Posts
May 17 2012 14:29 GMT
#43313
On May 17 2012 21:17 Aocowns wrote:

I haven't gotten to watch his games in a while, since he has not streamed, and the games have all been pay to watch or at 4AM for Europeans, but as far as I have noticed, he lacks in decision making and general army management. His specific unit micro, like with mutas and ling/bane is exceptional, but for example his roach army, and his infestor broodlord army always seem to caught at bad angles, missing opportunities, or giving the opponent opportunities. His macro has always been incredible, and it still is incredible so there's nothing to say on that.

Besides, he said he didn't find Diablo 3 to be any fun whatsoever He had played the Beta with the EG guys, but he said he found it pointless and boring or something like that.


Any game might work, I just gave an example :D

BTW, I wonder how someone in IdrA's position can improve decision making skill though. With mechanics you can grind it out till it's hardcoded into your head, but with decision making, not so much so. SC2 depends too much on decision making skill though
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 14:32:38
May 17 2012 14:31 GMT
#43314
On May 17 2012 19:40 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 19:32 mememolly wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:06 Aocowns wrote:
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..


g1 was a 2 base push by STX, with hellions and rines and medivacs

g2 was a longer game with both on 3 bases, both armies moved out at the same time and idra went for a base trade instead of attacking the army as it was moving out and unsieged, he made STX lift most of his shit and then went back to kill STX's army but didn't have enough as idra lost a ton of banes, exploding them on buildings etc

if he had had banes in g1 he could have held but i dunno, as for g2 he could have engaged the army and probably won from there but I'm not sure if he spotted that it had moved out and i dunno his reasoning for continuing a basetrade after he realised there was no army at STX's base

So game 1 was a close loss, and g2 was a retarded decision to try a basetrade agaisnt terran without mutas....? He used infestor style, right?


g1 wasn't really close, it was basically a BO win, idra just didn't scout correctly or prepare enough, he just needed a banenest and a ling scouting for when STX moved out

he needs some serious mental coaching i think, I'm not sure what EG does for him but they need to step in and say something imo
Lefaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland313 Posts
May 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#43315
On May 17 2012 23:31 mememolly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 19:40 Aocowns wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:32 mememolly wrote:
On May 17 2012 19:06 Aocowns wrote:
Please tell me he didn't drop macro games against STX..


g1 was a 2 base push by STX, with hellions and rines and medivacs

g2 was a longer game with both on 3 bases, both armies moved out at the same time and idra went for a base trade instead of attacking the army as it was moving out and unsieged, he made STX lift most of his shit and then went back to kill STX's army but didn't have enough as idra lost a ton of banes, exploding them on buildings etc

if he had had banes in g1 he could have held but i dunno, as for g2 he could have engaged the army and probably won from there but I'm not sure if he spotted that it had moved out and i dunno his reasoning for continuing a basetrade after he realised there was no army at STX's base

So game 1 was a close loss, and g2 was a retarded decision to try a basetrade agaisnt terran without mutas....? He used infestor style, right?


g1 wasn't really close, it was basically a BO win, idra just didn't scout correctly or prepare enough, he just needed a banenest and a ling scouting for when STX moved out

he needs some serious mental coaching i think, I'm not sure what EG does for him but they need to step in and say something imo


He need to talk with Alex Garfield again, Last time he did that he beat boxer and bomber if he did that now he could win whole Spring arena!
iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
May 17 2012 15:07 GMT
#43316
I'm not the biggest IdrA fan but i like him and seeing SC2 without IdrA would be really, really strange/kind of sad. I personally hope he has a break, maybe a few months off and comes back fully motivated to crush some skull
Hello friends:)
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
May 17 2012 15:11 GMT
#43317
On May 17 2012 13:39 RUS RO DAH!!! wrote:
If Idra really does hate SC2 so much then why not go back to Broodwar? Maybe he should have never switched games in the first place.


Because throwing away a career that gives you 80,000$+ a year just to play some game is retarded.
If he really just doesn't like the scene he should go study.
Lefaa
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland313 Posts
May 17 2012 15:19 GMT
#43318
I don't even think he hates the game, you can clearly see when he enjoys playing and when he doesn't. He loves to play against good players that he respects, but he also hates to play against cheesy and "bad" players and that's why he loses against them so badly, he doesn't want to play them. When he plays against Koreans he always plays so well and and gives the viewer a good show, but against "bad" players, early gg's and bad decisions. He needs to be able to play with the same skill against any kind of opponents, it's sad that he can't do that now.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
May 17 2012 15:41 GMT
#43319
IDRAAA!!!!!!! I felt like spontaneously typing it in caps lock

Hope he beats Socke ^^
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
hnQ
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
113 Posts
May 17 2012 16:03 GMT
#43320
On May 17 2012 23:13 rogzardo wrote:
He'll be back. Everyone wrote off MVP a few months ago and now he's about to win GSL #4. Same shit here.


the difference is that MVP had an injury that hurt his play and still does a bit.. IdrA does not :[
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