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Rastasham
Thailand27 Posts
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nazR
France158 Posts
On December 04 2011 20:47 Rastasham wrote: Idra is just an overrated player. :D Probably not the right place, get ready to be thrown out of the window | ||
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CptObv1ous
Luxembourg90 Posts
On December 04 2011 20:47 Rastasham wrote: Idra is just an overrated player. I hope you enjoyed your stay at teamliquid.net, it´s not gonna last much longer I´m afraid. On topic, while the puma series was certainly a bummer, at least we have an awesome strelok series to look back at and the korea trip coming up right after nasl, so I´m pumped for the gracken! | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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nanospartan
649 Posts
On December 04 2011 15:18 WolfintheSheep wrote: People aren't giving Puma any credit whatsoever. He metagamed Idra hard, and no, that doesn't mean "went for all-ins before Mutas popped" like so many people pretend it does. Contrary to popular belief, Idra has extremely strong early game defence. The reason he can bank 800/800 to pop 7 Mutalisks and Air Upgrades in one go is because of his Hellion defence, and extremely strong ling/bling control that can fend off the inevitable Marine/Tank timing pushes that follows, without investing heavily in static defence or over-committal to T1 units.. The reason Puma crushed him so easily was because he went for two specifically timed attacks designed to hit before Mutas were available, while prioritizing a strong economy to match Idras. The first game, he specifically went Siege Tech first so that he could push long before the Spire finished, unlike most Terrans who go for Marine upgrades first and end up dealing with Ling/Bling/Muta. This forced Idra to use his banked resources on Lings and Banelings, and he couldn't get any Mutas to snipe of tanks and Hellions. Second game, too many people are harping on the Hellion/Marauder timing. The real issue was that Puma went CC first, which meant the push wasn't all-in in the slightest. Idra held it off, while taking moderate damage, but Puma's economy was 1.5x ahead on SCVs alone, not even counting Mules. If it had been any other player doing an ordinary Hellion/Marauder push, it would have been held, and they would have been on equal economic footing. Puma macroed first, and attacked second. Third game was brilliant mind games, because he went for a very fast triple Orbital, and Idra went for an uncharacteristic Roach Warren, being scared into expecting heavier aggression with Hellions. Had Puma gone for another 2 base push, it would have been crushed easily. Instead, he played extremely greedy, while Idra invested heavily on some defence. End result, Idra was on equal base with Terran, with lesser income. The end of the game was just Idra being spread across the map by a larger army and a stronger econ. People trying to act like Idra bombed those games obviously weren't watching the same match I was. He held those pushes a lot better than most players would have (Morrow/Thorzain should be proof enough of that), but Puma simply played to the player, and did it perfectly. This User was warned for this post | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
roach warren vs triple orbital opening? and IdrA still cannot break Puma without doing enough damage??? that doesnt make any sense to me' brilliant mind games' part? how does going triple orbital rather than hellion opening out smarting a roach opening? please explain since i missed those games. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On December 04 2011 22:04 ThePlayer33 wrote: ok since the vods arent released yet, i want to know what happened in game 3. roach warren vs triple orbital opening? and IdrA still cannot break Puma without doing enough damage??? that doesnt make any sense to me' brilliant mind games' part? how does going triple orbital rather than hellion opening out smarting a roach opening? please explain since i missed those games. You just told the tale yourself. He made IdrA believe that a strong push/timing was coming, which made IdrA go roaches. When the push didn't come, IdrA knew that he had to be the aggressor, which PuMa also knew and therefore had ample defence. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On December 04 2011 22:08 KvltMan wrote: You just told the tale yourself. He made IdrA believe that a strong push/timing was coming, which made IdrA go roaches. When the push didn't come, IdrA knew that he had to be the aggressor, which PuMa also knew and therefore had ample defence. i dont really understand? triple orbital and hold off 2 base roach push? because all you need is 2 bunkers and some scvs? | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On December 04 2011 22:19 ThePlayer33 wrote: i dont really understand? triple orbital and hold off 2 base roach push? because all you need is 2 bunkers and some scvs? Idra had 8 roaches, and Puma previously made marauders. So the bunkers were filled with marauders | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On December 04 2011 22:21 Aocowns wrote: Idra had 8 roaches, and Puma previously made marauders. So the bunkers were filled with marauders ahk thanks... hard for me to tell when i haven't watched the games | ||
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Frail
Iceland336 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On December 04 2011 22:21 Aocowns wrote: Idra had 8 roaches, and Puma previously made marauders. So the bunkers were filled with marauders Only 1 Bunker had anything in it, which was 1 Rauder and 2 Rines. He had nothing else when the Roaches showed up, but was pumping Rines. Not that it matters, since Bunkers are pretty good at being mass repaired. | ||
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Dismay
United States1180 Posts
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On December 05 2011 01:14 VashTS wrote: Only 1 Bunker had anything in it, which was 1 Rauder and 2 Rines. He had nothing else when the Roaches showed up, but was pumping Rines. Not that it matters, since Bunkers are pretty good at being mass repaired. typical. so what is IdrA suppose to do in these scenarios? since a marauder and 2 rines can hold anything. also i like how 100 mineral bunker instantly kill 6 banelings, which is 300 mins and 150 gas(since you guys are gonna start saying banelings soon). | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On December 05 2011 05:48 ThePlayer33 wrote: typical. so what is IdrA suppose to do in these scenarios? since a marauder and 2 rines can hold anything. also i like how 100 mineral bunker instantly kill 6 banelings, which is 300 mins and 150 gas(since you guys are gonna start saying banelings soon). Idra backed off after a rocket launched out of the bunker though, so I am not sure whether he actually knew it was only 1 marauder. | ||
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StatixEx
United Kingdom779 Posts
It just looked like a complete steam walk. what could he have done? | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On December 05 2011 07:41 StatixEx wrote: i really wanted idra to win. what should he have done to stay in the nasl, he seemed to get beat by the same tac twice, the 3rd game was essentailly the same tac but he couldnt get his stuff out ontime . . and this is ridiculous as these guys get them out ON TIME! It just looked like a complete steam walk. what could he have done? Game one and two, Idra needed to scout the early aggression and invest more into Lings and Blings to defend with fewer losses. Game two, he could have gone aggressive and took advantage of the CC first from Puma. Game three, Idra delayed his tech by several minutes by investing 1350 minerals and 200 gas to pump out 8 Roaches that weren't necessary, all because he was scared into expecting more early aggression. Once he overlord scouted the 3rd Orbital going down, I think the only option was to go desperate, instead of playing catch-up. All-in-all, it was a matter of assumptions. First two games, Idra thought he could go lax on defence, and turned out to be wrong. Game three, he assumed more aggression, and went defensive, which was completely the wrong decision against greedy macro play. Of course, this is just my 20/20 hindsight opinion. I'm not nearly pro enough to give a worthwhile analysis on all the situations. | ||
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On December 05 2011 05:48 ThePlayer33 wrote: typical. so what is IdrA suppose to do in these scenarios? since a marauder and 2 rines can hold anything. also i like how 100 mineral bunker instantly kill 6 banelings, which is 300 mins and 150 gas(since you guys are gonna start saying banelings soon). It's people like you who give the IdrA fanclub, and IdrA fans, a bad reputation. Can't you express your sadness at IdrA losing without balance whining? >.> --- I realised this morning I haven't seen any of IdrA's games in awhile, and I kinda feel like watching some today. Have there been any particularly good series involving IdrA lately? If so, if someone could recommend it to me, that'd be awesome. =) If there haven't been, I'm happy to watch a series where IdrA just crushes someone. xD | ||
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seiferoth10
3362 Posts
On December 05 2011 09:34 Sarang wrote: It's people like you who give the IdrA fanclub, and IdrA fans, a bad reputation. Can't you express your sadness at IdrA losing without balance whining? >.> --- I realised this morning I haven't seen any of IdrA's games in awhile, and I kinda feel like watching some today. Have there been any particularly good series involving IdrA lately? If so, if someone could recommend it to me, that'd be awesome. =) If there haven't been, I'm happy to watch a series where IdrA just crushes someone. xD Well, Idra rolled over Strelok pretty well in NASL2. The vs Puma games were painful though. | ||
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