EPTThe reason im so critical of Idra is because i truly believe that he has the potential to be the best in the world if he just sits down and i mean REALLY focuses on the areas hes doing so bad in. The last three tournaments have been really depressing for me as an Idra fan, I just want him to do so much better and i know he can
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Lumnis
Australia19 Posts
The reason im so critical of Idra is because i truly believe that he has the potential to be the best in the world if he just sits down and i mean REALLY focuses on the areas hes doing so bad in. The last three tournaments have been really depressing for me as an Idra fan, I just want him to do so much better and i know he can | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:35 Aocowns wrote: Yeah, th games they played were amazing until Puma decided he wouldn't even try for the macro win. I really dislike Puma for that(Read hate) You play to win. From what I saw i'm pretty sure PuMa was maxed out in that last game | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:37 Pooman wrote: Exactly. It wasn't cheese, it was just a build order that was designed to beat Idra's usual style. Idra has been playing that same style for too long. His ZvT used to look unstoppable, so Puma evolved his TvZ to adapt to that. Idra needs to evolve his ZvT at the same pace if he wants to remain dominant in the match up. Yeah, he's not playing any worse, but his style is just getting figured out. If he gets to the point where he has mutas, he has a good chance against any terran in the world, so people are hitting him before mutas. Let's hope that training in Korea will get him back into beast mode ZvT again. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:42 trikshun wrote: You play to win not to please the viewers. Did I say otherwise? I personally value a macro win more than a metagame win, so I can be annoyed with Puma over that if I like. Not saying what Puma did was cheesy or dumb. It was a great way to get easy wins. | ||
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:42 trikshun wrote: You play to win not to please the viewers. Kind of obvious thing to point out, but yeah. It's a good bonus though and we were discussing viewer disappointment. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:43 zodde wrote: Yeah, he's not playing any worse, but his style is just getting figured out. If he gets to the point where he has mutas, he has a good chance against any terran in the world, so people are hitting him before mutas. Let's hope that training in Korea will get him back into beast mode ZvT again. Idra still has some of the best ZvT in the world. His problem in all his matchups is just getting past the early game. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
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zodde
Sweden1908 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:50 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Idra still has some of the best ZvT in the world. His problem in all his matchups is just getting past the early game. So we're saying pretty much the same thing? | ||
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HystericaLaughter
Australia720 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:42 trikshun wrote: You play to win. From what I saw i'm pretty sure PuMa was maxed out in that last game sort of like why Idra or Destiny's salary is times larger then most if not all koreans? You play to entertain. Those who can't entertain, win^_^ | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:52 GenoZStriker wrote: I personally think that he needs to start changing things up a bit, even though we say this all the time and he comes back and win. But from looking at his games, there is always this window when he is teching to spire that when you hit him, he has no units to defend and you can win the game. Kas I think figured out the timings, which is why he has beaten him the last few times and I think eventually more players will as well. He could at least watch what other people are doing. He saw the games Puma vs Sheth and yet didn't seem to modify his play at all for what PuMa was likely to do. He's a great player, but he really needs to work on outthinking his opponent, rather than just outplaying. Fortunately, he's going to the best Korean team house for that. Hopefully he makes the most of it. | ||
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TuElite
Canada2123 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
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MountainGoat
United States507 Posts
On December 04 2011 10:31 Whole wrote: i really just want idra to practice more. We really couldn't expect much because right after his IEM China win (the end of his slump), he starting getting tournaments back to back and now he is declining again. I hope he will decline tournament invites and focus on the few big tournaments so he can start winning. I don't think we can say that he's declining already... he's put up a good month or two of performances and Puma just had a really good knowledge of his style and timings and really took advantage of it. IdrA hasn't been able to practice much according to a recent interview but he's still played mostly pretty well. When he rededicates himself to practice in Korea he'll be able to do even better. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On December 04 2011 11:15 xtfftc wrote: Just got home and didn't catch the games... Sounds like I didn't miss a lot though. G1 was a 9 minute siege tank push with hellion siege tanks and marines. Idra really tried to hold that, did everything. You clearly saw how his mentality has improved. G2 was a marauder hellion push on Tal Darim. G3 Idra made 8 roaches which cut into his muta count. Puma then went hardcore double pronged attacks and drops constantly, and the delayed mutas were not eneough to chase off the medievacs before they unloaded. After that it was just drop after drop after drop. When Idra finally stabilized, then a maxed Puma pushed out and won. Puma also made a couple marauders, and took an early 3rd in this game. He metagamed Idra hardcore all thoughout the series. Btw, just got home??? Isn't it like 2:30 AM in the UK? | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On December 04 2011 11:02 zodde wrote: So we're saying pretty much the same thing? No, youre saying he needs to go back to Korea to become a beast at ZVT AGAIN. I'm saying he STILL is a beast at ZVT regardless. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On December 04 2011 11:21 Aocowns wrote: G1 was a 9 minute siege tank push with hellion siege tanks and marines. Idra really tried to hold that, did everything. You clearly saw how his mentality has improved. G2 was a marauder hellion push on Tal Darim. G3 Idra made 8 roaches which cut into his muta count. Puma then went hardcore double pronged attacks and drops constantly, and the delayed mutas were not eneough to chase off the medievacs before they unloaded. After that it was just drop after drop after drop. When Idra finally stabilized, then a maxed Puma pushed out and won. Puma also made a couple marauders, and took an early 3rd in this game. He metagamed Idra hardcore all thoughout the series. Btw, just got home??? Isn't it like 2:30 AM in the UK? There was probably alcohol involved. Give him a break ^_^ | ||
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Wolflink
United States20 Posts
Gl IdrA on korea + the future:D. | ||
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