EPTOn October 12 2011 23:33 JohnMatrix wrote:
Lucky defeats ret 2-0, violet 2-1, hapyro 2-0, etc
Lucky defeats ret 2-0, violet 2-1, hapyro 2-0, etc
I can't speak for Violet, but Ret and Haypro are kind of bad at ZvZ tbh...
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
I can't speak for Violet, but Ret and Haypro are kind of bad at ZvZ tbh... | ||
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
stephano's ZvP is clearly better then idra's tho.. | ||
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Krimineel
France21 Posts
On October 12 2011 23:55 shell wrote: I don't think stephano has a bad ZvZ but i believe it might be worse then stephano's.. stephano's ZvP is clearly better then idra's tho.. Yea but I also think Stephanos zvp is worse than Stephanos ZvP, altho Stephno's ZvT might be better than Stephano's.. I'm not sure tho.. Kidding aside, I'll think IdrA will go second in his group. Losing to the seeded player.. but then powering through like a baws to atleast top 3 and maybe even a victory! | ||
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-Some1.
Portugal168 Posts
And this doesn't happen only to the weaker, its happens with everyone, even Idra itself. Its a big pressure playing for such high things and with so many people judging every move you do. My point is, no matter who you are, you will always be nervous to play against some1 like Idra and vice-versa, so, sometimes is a matter of experience and cold blood. So in this field Idra has a lot of experience. But its still a game, and most of the times you must fear you'r own mistakes more than your opponent's strategies....I haven't seen idra losing a macro game for a long time, that's why every1 tries to end the game as soon as possible when playing against him, and we all know that, and we also know that Idra is a bit weak against cheese or special tactics (mostly because of being unable to scout), but this time i seriously think that he will face many opponents that do not depend on cheese to get a victory, so i expect great games from everyone, and yes, i do hope Idra plays against stephano because it will be some epic games for sure. I don't expect nothing less from Idra than his beast mode on. So please, remember that idra's macro game is one of the best ever, and any game he can get to that point will certanly be a win. A little more hope in the Gracken please x) P.S.: I've seen a lot of people in stream's chat trying to defend Idra after a loss, but sometimes, you make a fool of yourself, and a bad example of Idra's fans, so if Idra does lose a game to cheese or whatever, just ignore the haters x) (i'm saying it here just in case of any of those people reads or come here) | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:43 -Some1. wrote: + Show Spoiler + Imo, and this is only my opinion, i think that we must not forget the pressure of the "playing against Idra" idea installs. I honestly think that those who face idra spend lots of timing comming up with strategies (mostly cheese and special tactics), just so they can have a shot of getting past him. And this doesn't happen only to the weaker, its happens with everyone, even Idra itself. Its a big pressure playing for such high things and with so many people judging every move you do. My point is, no matter who you are, you will always be nervous to play against some1 like Idra and vice-versa, so, sometimes is a matter of experience and cold blood. So in this field Idra has a lot of experience. But its still a game, and most of the times you must fear you'r own mistakes more than your opponent's strategies....I haven't seen idra losing a macro game for a long time, that's why every1 tries to end the game as soon as possible when playing against him, and we all know that, and we also know that Idra is a bit weak against cheese or special tactics (mostly because of being unable to scout), but this time i seriously think that he will face many opponents that do not depend on cheese to get a victory, so i expect great games from everyone, and yes, i do hope Idra plays against stephano because it will be some epic games for sure. I don't expect nothing less from Idra than his beast mode on. So please, remember that idra's macro game is one of the best ever, and any game he can get to that point will certanly be a win. A little more hope in the Gracken please x) P.S.: I've seen a lot of people in stream's chat trying to defend Idra after a loss, but sometimes, you make a fool of yourself, and a bad example of Idra's fans, so if Idra does lose a game to cheese or whatever, just ignore the haters x) (i'm saying it here just in case of any of those people reads or come here) Also, it's not like he has terrible cheese defence, it's just that people cheese him more often, and that's why he's losing so much against it. i call 8-1 in group play, then probably a 2-1 loss against the open bracket dude(but that really depends on who it is. No matter who it is, it is going to be shit hard, cus that open bracket is scary) | ||
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-Some1.
Portugal168 Posts
On October 13 2011 03:50 Aocowns wrote: Also, it's not like he has terrible cheese defence, it's just that people cheese him more often, and that's why he's losing so much against it. i call 8-1 in group play, then probably a 2-1 loss against the open bracket dude(but that really depends on who it is. No matter who it is, it is going to be shit hard, cus that open bracket is scary) Yeah.....or he could just surprise us again and KO the guy like he did with Puma x) | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 13 2011 04:23 -Some1. wrote: Yeah.....or he could just surprise us again and KO the guy like he did with Puma x) That would be optimal  | ||
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
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Michaels
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:23 kanadiasteve wrote: Does anyone know the safest response to the marauder/hellion build STC pulled out? reeeeaaally fast mutas(which you have to go almost blindly, since you won't have the necessary scouting info), or get a great surround so your spines can poke away. Good building placement, like Evo blocking at natural etc, don't let him get up your ramp. I really don't know anything else :s If you do go muta ling bling, and you defend, you are in a great spot though ;o | ||
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kanadiasteve
United States313 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:29 kanadiasteve wrote: I guess the question is, can you really go mutas that fast, and not just flat out die to early cheese? You get 4 spines either way. If i were you, I'd get 5 spines until terrans stopped using the Marauder/hellion push Guess that doesnt really answer your question though. I suppose it is possible if you scout really really good, and see that he doesnt go some obvious cheese. -Pro advise from a platinum player | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote: You get 4 spines either way. If i were you, I'd get 5 spines until terrans stopped using the Marauder/hellion push Guess that doesnt really answer your question though. I suppose it is possible if you scout really really good, and see that he doesnt go some obvious cheese. -Pro advise from a platinum player Spines and lings are pretty good, but you need a lot of lings. It might not be a cost effective battle but at least you retain your drones and stock up on gas. and complete surround of that army with spines will clean it up. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
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Frozenserpent
United States143 Posts
Having an early macro hatch will cut a bit on tech or economy, but will make these timings much easier. At the same time, there is the potential for a little bit of pressure, although not a serious amount. The drone disadvantage can be recovered from, as production will be greatly increased, and the higher ling count early game would mean a stronger map presence. The downside is that muta pressure come at a later time, a rather big downside, which also means the 3rd isn't as easy to take, and can't prevent T from taking his or her own third. Perhaps this kind of style would be more viable with a hard-to-take 3rd, where speedlings would effectively stop a fast terran 3rd for some time. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 13 2011 06:55 Micket wrote: the new marauder hellion builds are arriving at awkward timings, and it is impossible to tell whether Terran is double expanding or going all in. I'm on the fence about evo blocks and stuff. Marauders rip through buildings you are better off putting a spine there and the evo elsewhere. if a terran double expands vs you and you dont just go flatten all his expos after killing his push you are doing something wrong. | ||
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mgh18
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![[image loading]](http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8296/idraincontrol.png) LOL | ||
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-Some1.
Portugal168 Posts
On October 13 2011 08:10 mgh18 wrote: LOL BEAR HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
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United States1014 Posts
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