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Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
October 12 2011 14:49 GMT
#24881
On October 12 2011 23:33 JohnMatrix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 12 2011 23:03 bokchoi wrote:
Sample-size is too small on Lucky to truly past judgment. I think thats the first ZvZ we've ever seen from him? I didn't watch the finals but maybe Lucky is just terribad at ZvZ as well. Although I would've really enjoyed a ZvZ with IdrA and Stephano. Who knows, if IdrA passed TheStC we may have a different IPL3 champion...


Lucky defeats ret 2-0, violet 2-1, hapyro 2-0, etc

I can't speak for Violet, but Ret and Haypro are kind of bad at ZvZ tbh...
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 12 2011 14:55 GMT
#24882
I don't think stephano has a bad ZvZ but i believe it might be worse then stephano's..

stephano's ZvP is clearly better then idra's tho..
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Krimineel
Profile Joined October 2011
France21 Posts
October 12 2011 14:59 GMT
#24883
On October 12 2011 23:55 shell wrote:
I don't think stephano has a bad ZvZ but i believe it might be worse then stephano's..

stephano's ZvP is clearly better then idra's tho..


Yea but I also think Stephanos zvp is worse than Stephanos ZvP, altho Stephno's ZvT might be better than Stephano's.. I'm not sure tho..

Kidding aside, I'll think IdrA will go second in his group. Losing to the seeded player.. but then powering through like a baws to atleast top 3 and maybe even a victory!
-Some1.
Profile Joined September 2011
Portugal168 Posts
October 12 2011 18:43 GMT
#24884
Imo, and this is only my opinion, i think that we must not forget the pressure of the "playing against Idra" idea installs. I honestly think that those who face idra spend lots of timing comming up with strategies (mostly cheese and special tactics), just so they can have a shot of getting past him.
And this doesn't happen only to the weaker, its happens with everyone, even Idra itself. Its a big pressure playing for such high things and with so many people judging every move you do.
My point is, no matter who you are, you will always be nervous to play against some1 like Idra and vice-versa, so, sometimes is a matter of experience and cold blood. So in this field Idra has a lot of experience.
But its still a game, and most of the times you must fear you'r own mistakes more than your opponent's strategies....I haven't seen idra losing a macro game for a long time, that's why every1 tries to end the game as soon as possible when playing against him, and we all know that, and we also know that Idra is a bit weak against cheese or special tactics (mostly because of being unable to scout), but this time i seriously think that he will face many opponents that do not depend on cheese to get a victory, so i expect great games from everyone, and yes, i do hope Idra plays against stephano because it will be some epic games for sure.

I don't expect nothing less from Idra than his beast mode on.
So please, remember that idra's macro game is one of the best ever, and any game he can get to that point will certanly be a win. A little more hope in the Gracken please x)


P.S.: I've seen a lot of people in stream's chat trying to defend Idra after a loss, but sometimes, you make a fool of yourself, and a bad example of Idra's fans, so if Idra does lose a game to cheese or whatever, just ignore the haters x) (i'm saying it here just in case of any of those people reads or come here)
I don't hate those who think different. I Hate those who think wrong.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 18:52:03
October 12 2011 18:50 GMT
#24885
On October 13 2011 03:43 -Some1. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Imo, and this is only my opinion, i think that we must not forget the pressure of the "playing against Idra" idea installs. I honestly think that those who face idra spend lots of timing comming up with strategies (mostly cheese and special tactics), just so they can have a shot of getting past him.
And this doesn't happen only to the weaker, its happens with everyone, even Idra itself. Its a big pressure playing for such high things and with so many people judging every move you do.
My point is, no matter who you are, you will always be nervous to play against some1 like Idra and vice-versa, so, sometimes is a matter of experience and cold blood. So in this field Idra has a lot of experience.
But its still a game, and most of the times you must fear you'r own mistakes more than your opponent's strategies....I haven't seen idra losing a macro game for a long time, that's why every1 tries to end the game as soon as possible when playing against him, and we all know that, and we also know that Idra is a bit weak against cheese or special tactics (mostly because of being unable to scout), but this time i seriously think that he will face many opponents that do not depend on cheese to get a victory, so i expect great games from everyone, and yes, i do hope Idra plays against stephano because it will be some epic games for sure.

I don't expect nothing less from Idra than his beast mode on.
So please, remember that idra's macro game is one of the best ever, and any game he can get to that point will certanly be a win. A little more hope in the Gracken please x)


P.S.: I've seen a lot of people in stream's chat trying to defend Idra after a loss, but sometimes, you make a fool of yourself, and a bad example of Idra's fans, so if Idra does lose a game to cheese or whatever, just ignore the haters x) (i'm saying it here just in case of any of those people reads or come here)

Also, it's not like he has terrible cheese defence, it's just that people cheese him more often, and that's why he's losing so much against it. i call 8-1 in group play, then probably a 2-1 loss against the open bracket dude(but that really depends on who it is. No matter who it is, it is going to be shit hard, cus that open bracket is scary)
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
-Some1.
Profile Joined September 2011
Portugal168 Posts
October 12 2011 19:23 GMT
#24886
On October 13 2011 03:50 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 03:43 -Some1. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Imo, and this is only my opinion, i think that we must not forget the pressure of the "playing against Idra" idea installs. I honestly think that those who face idra spend lots of timing comming up with strategies (mostly cheese and special tactics), just so they can have a shot of getting past him.
And this doesn't happen only to the weaker, its happens with everyone, even Idra itself. Its a big pressure playing for such high things and with so many people judging every move you do.
My point is, no matter who you are, you will always be nervous to play against some1 like Idra and vice-versa, so, sometimes is a matter of experience and cold blood. So in this field Idra has a lot of experience.
But its still a game, and most of the times you must fear you'r own mistakes more than your opponent's strategies....I haven't seen idra losing a macro game for a long time, that's why every1 tries to end the game as soon as possible when playing against him, and we all know that, and we also know that Idra is a bit weak against cheese or special tactics (mostly because of being unable to scout), but this time i seriously think that he will face many opponents that do not depend on cheese to get a victory, so i expect great games from everyone, and yes, i do hope Idra plays against stephano because it will be some epic games for sure.

I don't expect nothing less from Idra than his beast mode on.
So please, remember that idra's macro game is one of the best ever, and any game he can get to that point will certanly be a win. A little more hope in the Gracken please x)


P.S.: I've seen a lot of people in stream's chat trying to defend Idra after a loss, but sometimes, you make a fool of yourself, and a bad example of Idra's fans, so if Idra does lose a game to cheese or whatever, just ignore the haters x) (i'm saying it here just in case of any of those people reads or come here)

Also, it's not like he has terrible cheese defence, it's just that people cheese him more often, and that's why he's losing so much against it. i call 8-1 in group play, then probably a 2-1 loss against the open bracket dude(but that really depends on who it is. No matter who it is, it is going to be shit hard, cus that open bracket is scary)




Yeah.....or he could just surprise us again and KO the guy like he did with Puma x)
I don't hate those who think different. I Hate those who think wrong.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 19:36:05
October 12 2011 19:35 GMT
#24887
On October 13 2011 04:23 -Some1. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 03:50 Aocowns wrote:
On October 13 2011 03:43 -Some1. wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Imo, and this is only my opinion, i think that we must not forget the pressure of the "playing against Idra" idea installs. I honestly think that those who face idra spend lots of timing comming up with strategies (mostly cheese and special tactics), just so they can have a shot of getting past him.
And this doesn't happen only to the weaker, its happens with everyone, even Idra itself. Its a big pressure playing for such high things and with so many people judging every move you do.
My point is, no matter who you are, you will always be nervous to play against some1 like Idra and vice-versa, so, sometimes is a matter of experience and cold blood. So in this field Idra has a lot of experience.
But its still a game, and most of the times you must fear you'r own mistakes more than your opponent's strategies....I haven't seen idra losing a macro game for a long time, that's why every1 tries to end the game as soon as possible when playing against him, and we all know that, and we also know that Idra is a bit weak against cheese or special tactics (mostly because of being unable to scout), but this time i seriously think that he will face many opponents that do not depend on cheese to get a victory, so i expect great games from everyone, and yes, i do hope Idra plays against stephano because it will be some epic games for sure.

I don't expect nothing less from Idra than his beast mode on.
So please, remember that idra's macro game is one of the best ever, and any game he can get to that point will certanly be a win. A little more hope in the Gracken please x)


P.S.: I've seen a lot of people in stream's chat trying to defend Idra after a loss, but sometimes, you make a fool of yourself, and a bad example of Idra's fans, so if Idra does lose a game to cheese or whatever, just ignore the haters x) (i'm saying it here just in case of any of those people reads or come here)

Also, it's not like he has terrible cheese defence, it's just that people cheese him more often, and that's why he's losing so much against it. i call 8-1 in group play, then probably a 2-1 loss against the open bracket dude(but that really depends on who it is. No matter who it is, it is going to be shit hard, cus that open bracket is scary)




Yeah.....or he could just surprise us again and KO the guy like he did with Puma x)

That would be optimal
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
kanadiasteve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States313 Posts
October 12 2011 21:23 GMT
#24888
Does anyone know the safest response to the marauder/hellion build STC pulled out?
"I wonder what this game would be like if Protoss units cost money" - IdrA
Michaels
Profile Joined August 2010
419 Posts
October 12 2011 21:25 GMT
#24889
ling baneling and 3spines
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
October 12 2011 21:26 GMT
#24890
On October 13 2011 06:23 kanadiasteve wrote:
Does anyone know the safest response to the marauder/hellion build STC pulled out?

reeeeaaally fast mutas(which you have to go almost blindly, since you won't have the necessary scouting info), or get a great surround so your spines can poke away. Good building placement, like Evo blocking at natural etc, don't let him get up your ramp. I really don't know anything else :s If you do go muta ling bling, and you defend, you are in a great spot though ;o
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
kanadiasteve
Profile Joined March 2011
United States313 Posts
October 12 2011 21:29 GMT
#24891
I guess the question is, can you really go mutas that fast, and not just flat out die to early cheese?
"I wonder what this game would be like if Protoss units cost money" - IdrA
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
October 12 2011 21:32 GMT
#24892
On October 13 2011 06:29 kanadiasteve wrote:
I guess the question is, can you really go mutas that fast, and not just flat out die to early cheese?

You get 4 spines either way. If i were you, I'd get 5 spines until terrans stopped using the Marauder/hellion push

Guess that doesnt really answer your question though. I suppose it is possible if you scout really really good, and see that he doesnt go some obvious cheese.

-Pro advise from a platinum player
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
October 12 2011 21:35 GMT
#24893
On October 13 2011 06:32 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2011 06:29 kanadiasteve wrote:
I guess the question is, can you really go mutas that fast, and not just flat out die to early cheese?

You get 4 spines either way. If i were you, I'd get 5 spines until terrans stopped using the Marauder/hellion push

Guess that doesnt really answer your question though. I suppose it is possible if you scout really really good, and see that he doesnt go some obvious cheese.

-Pro advise from a platinum player


Spines and lings are pretty good, but you need a lot of lings. It might not be a cost effective battle but at least you retain your drones and stock up on gas. and complete surround of that army with spines will clean it up.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 12 2011 21:55 GMT
#24894
the new marauder hellion builds are arriving at awkward timings, and it is impossible to tell whether Terran is double expanding or going all in. I'm on the fence about evo blocks and stuff. Marauders rip through buildings you are better off putting a spine there and the evo elsewhere.
Frozenserpent
Profile Joined September 2007
United States143 Posts
October 12 2011 22:29 GMT
#24895
Perhaps a different style of ZvT can deal with the marauder hellion builds better, such as mass lings off of 2-base.
Having an early macro hatch will cut a bit on tech or economy, but will make these timings much easier. At the same time, there is the potential for a little bit of pressure, although not a serious amount.
The drone disadvantage can be recovered from, as production will be greatly increased, and the higher ling count early game would mean a stronger map presence.

The downside is that muta pressure come at a later time, a rather big downside, which also means the 3rd isn't as easy to take, and can't prevent T from taking his or her own third.
Perhaps this kind of style would be more viable with a hard-to-take 3rd, where speedlings would effectively stop a fast terran 3rd for some time.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 12 2011 22:45 GMT
#24896
I'm not sure just how good it is, but I feel producing an extra set of queens + 3-4 spines (so 4 queen + 3 spine) and some lings should be able to defend until mutas. Neither hellions nor marauders do bonus damage to queens, and transfuse helps keeps spines and each other alive. -.- total guess
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
October 12 2011 22:53 GMT
#24897
On October 13 2011 06:55 Micket wrote:
the new marauder hellion builds are arriving at awkward timings, and it is impossible to tell whether Terran is double expanding or going all in. I'm on the fence about evo blocks and stuff. Marauders rip through buildings you are better off putting a spine there and the evo elsewhere.



if a terran double expands vs you and you dont just go flatten all his expos after killing his push you are doing something wrong.
mgh18
Profile Joined September 2011
1 Post
Last Edited: 2011-10-12 23:13:25
October 12 2011 23:10 GMT
#24898
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LOL
-Some1.
Profile Joined September 2011
Portugal168 Posts
October 12 2011 23:42 GMT
#24899
On October 13 2011 08:10 mgh18 wrote:
[image loading]

LOL




BEAR HUG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't hate those who think different. I Hate those who think wrong.
integrity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1014 Posts
October 13 2011 01:20 GMT
#24900
i have a hard time seeing either boxer or drewbie wanting to play idra in a macro game..,...IDRA please dont get cheesed out of another tournament!
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