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Magic Powers
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DwD
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+ Show Spoiler + Yuna marry me pls | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
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that is my fav song from them. rap part is pretty snazy. | ||
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Craton
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On April 08 2021 18:23 {ToT}ColmA wrote: is this even a song? like its horrible It has 3.5 million views in a day in spite of it. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
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On April 09 2021 16:02 Craton wrote: It has 3.5 million views in a day in spite of it. you have to be mad to think that that means anything. but its just my opinion anyway. to me its a trash song ~~ | ||
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Craton
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Don't know if that's more of an indication of just international interest or what, but it's interesting nonetheless. None of them have made the Gaon charts. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
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not sure how big the company and promoting them is a thing too - not too sure about purple kiss for example but stayc does quite a bit on youtube with stuff being subbed and stuff. maybe i am just salty that stayc has a lot of potential and i really dont like the song but wish they had something that i could actually listen to without my ears bleeding. | ||
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Craton
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woo!ah! I like the most of the nugus I've been listening to. They have some pretty impressive choreo. | ||
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Magic Powers
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I used to dislike Metallica and Megadeth. About five or six years ago completely out of the blue I suddenly liked them, and still do. I used to dislike K-pop. Early 2020 I suddenly started liking a lot of it, and I keep discovering more stuff that I like. And some of the music within k-pop that I originally disliked in early 2020, I started liking later on. Examples of artists that I've been liking (some more and some less) - starting roughly in the early 2000's or before - are (just to list a few examples) The Doors, Jimi Hendrix, Marilyn Manson, Rachmaninov, Beethoven, Rammstein, Opeth, Eminem, 50 Cent, Limp Bizkit, Slipknot, Korn, Arch Enemy, Dagoba, Infected Mushroom, Skrillex, and the list goes on and on. This leads me to the question: What, actually, is bad music? What defines something as musically bad? What are possible qualifiers? Are there even any qualifiers? I can think of a few ways to qualify music. First of all there's taste. Taste - no matter how widespread the same taste may be - is something that's entirely individual and personal. It also can and does very often change over time. People are very divided over the taste of pineapple pizza or mint chocolate, there's no real consensus. Some think it's bad, some think it's great. I used to really love pineapple pizza, but not so much anymore. It's exactly the same with music. Some people like all that growling and screaming in death metal, some don't. Some people like the cute section of k-pop music and some don't. And over time such tastes can - and often do - change, sometimes even very radically. I've known people who avoided classical music, all for their own reasons, but when they discovered just the "right" piece of music, they got into it and some of them discovered an entire new world of sounds. Then there are the various ways music is "supposed to" affect us. It can exist to create various emotions (weak or intense, positive or negative, excited or calm, etc.) Or it can exist in the background, maybe for studying, or for the "atmosphere". Or it can be experimental, to discover new ground or to make us think and ask questions. There are a number of other ways music can affect us, those are just a few examples. One could say that music is music if it accomplishes one of those things, and it's better music if it accomplishes them better than other music does. Yet again, this is entirely individual and personal. Some people can study while listening to calm music, but not when it's loud and aggressive, while others can handle loud and aggressive music, too - they may in fact even prefer it for studying. Or about experimental music, some people see something in a song that is completely out there and breaks every convention, some people don't see anything in it. So it's clear that these qualifiers are also up to the individual. Then there's the purely mechanical aspect of music. If there are sounds that are being strung together, then it's music. This is about as objective as it can get: music is music without any distinction between good and bad. One could say that this is too "open-minded" and it makes music into a farce, or that it doesn't help them discover the music they like, but the counter argument can also be made: the less we give music a rating, the more we can feel free to give a piece a listen, as there exists less social pressure to listen or to avoid listening. So what is the conclusion? What makes music "bad"? I think the only true qualifier is taste. What this means is that it's ok for anyone to like or dislike certain music. If you like something, please be welcome to express that to others. If you don't like something, of course you can tell others that, but maybe you'd want to give yourself pause and think about what effect your specific choice of words has on those around you before you say them. It's one thing to say "I don't like this song", it's something else to say "this song is terrible" (meaning that those who enjoy it are in fact enjoying a terrible song). One statement is an expression of taste, the other is a statement of factual observation. How can it be factual that a song "is terrible" when there are people (any number of people) who enjoy listening to it? This leads me to my final point: there's also the social effect that people's outspoken views have on both the outward behavior and the emotional response of other people. I've definitely heard a good number of times from some people that they've avoided certain types of music because of social pressures. That could be any genre or artist, be it classical music in its entirety, to a specific sub-genre within dubstep, all the way to "the new Metallica" (as literally everyone agrees that they've "lost their way" sarcastic emoji). The opposite could perhaps also be true: maybe some people only listen to certain music because their peers listen to it as well, even though they much prefer something different, maybe even something that isn't remotely close to the popular opinion. Over time both of these effects can lead to all sorts of distorted views about music. We can tell ourselves that we like or dislike something, even when our reasoning isn't derived from our own taste, but perhaps a not so informed opinion that we formed for reasons outside of our actual knowledge about any given type of music or any given artist. This exactly was the case with my view on k-pop. I considered it unrefined and immature after having heard a few popular songs that I didn't like. I judged the whole of an industry by the tip of an iceberg. We can't help what we like. Lets perhaps be a little nicer about that. We can express our taste, there's nothing wrong with that. But we can try and consider our choice of words. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
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anyway and i agree with you craton. i also feel like there are a only a few groups that pull a higher member count well. (fromis_9 for example) mostly i can relate better to groups with less. | ||
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Magic Powers
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evilfatsh1t
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well....the fact is it doesnt matter if someones feelings are hurt by anothers observation. if a person thinks a song is crap then theres nothing wrong with saying it. theres a difference between saying a song is crap and saying anyone who likes said song is crap. no one is implying the latter, so dunno why you think its necessary to tell people to sugarcoat their opinions because someones gonna get offended i personally think most of the idol songs released nowadays are garbage. i doubt any of the regulars here are going to be offended because i think that | ||
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Magic Powers
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On April 12 2021 22:33 evilfatsh1t wrote: its bizarre because you essentially went on a rant about how people shouldnt say a song is crap if they think its crap, because it will hurt the feelings of people who like the song. well....the fact is it doesnt matter if someones feelings are hurt by anothers observation. if a person thinks a song is crap then theres nothing wrong with saying it. theres a difference between saying a song is crap and saying anyone who likes said song is crap. no one is implying the latter, so dunno why you think its necessary to tell people to sugarcoat their opinions because someones gonna get offended i personally think most of the idol songs released nowadays are garbage. i doubt any of the regulars here are going to be offended because i think that I believe it makes for a negative environment that some people who'd otherwise like to post comments instead prefer to stay out and not contribute anything. That in effect reduces the sum total of contributions from people and would create a poorer environment. I can speak for myself: I've chosen not to post songs that I otherwise would've specifically because I don't like to hear feedback that says "this song is horrible" or "is this even a song?" as it would diminish my enjoyment that I get out of sharing some of my favorites or some that aren't my own favorites but that I think could be to someone else's liking. No one knows how many people may or may not have steered cleer of this thread due to negativity of this kind. I know of at least one person (myself), and since I understand the pattern of the negativity as something that is more than an expression of personal taste (which I'd have no objections to), I thought to myself that I'd want to contribute a comment that would rationalize to people in the thread why I choose not to contribute any songs where I otherwise would. | ||
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Craton
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Magic Powers
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I rest my case. | ||
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Magic Powers
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On April 13 2021 02:43 evilfatsh1t wrote: look at the mod notes at the top. theyre the real reason why this thread lost posters, not the non existent "negativity" you speak of. also we got old and idol music in particular is a young mans game I'm 35 myself. You'd think if age was an issue I'd have enjoyed k-pop as my younger self and lost interest later, but the opposite happened. In my playlist I think you'd find a lot of songs that appeal to older audiences as well, but that requires actively listening to the countless b-sides that are out there. | ||
Kipsate
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On April 12 2021 04:11 {ToT}ColmA wrote: kpop can be a fickle thing - brave girls shoot to stardom for example. i am just not buying these views cuz a lot of the time it just looks unrealistic. not sure how big the company and promoting them is a thing too - not too sure about purple kiss for example but stayc does quite a bit on youtube with stuff being subbed and stuff. maybe i am just salty that stayc has a lot of potential and i really dont like the song but wish they had something that i could actually listen to without my ears bleeding. If I am not mistaken several kpop companies (if not everyone) buy ad space on Youtube, they advertise their MVs to people (you can also do it for non-MVs I suppose) Countries such as Phillipines etc can be cheap to advertise in (also being in the target audience). Once Stayc's MV is out a bit and the statistics are out you can sort of calculate the % of paid views. IIRC Twice had 40% of their Youtube views being paid the first couple weeks for some songs. That is not to say they may not be popular, but companies inflate their Youtube numbers quite a bit for obvious reasons aside from the "hey this artist has a new song out add it on spotify/melon/etc" and for small companies this is a great way to cost effectively do it as well. They don't have access to some of the stuff that the big companies have in terms of media presence. | ||
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