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TheEmulator
28078 Posts
On August 27 2012 04:51 kakaman wrote: + Show Spoiler + Jay Park still the best performer out there. Extra points for that camera guy who's wearing a cap from IM's sponsor Jay Park is so good. 2PM has not been the same since he left imo. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Craton
United States17232 Posts
The problem when you have these groups with no one particularly talented member is you're pretty much reliant on having them all. This isn't really a problem usually since member losses usually happen in newer groups. A group like 4Minute you're just gonna ride the ez train as one of the 5 at this point. You could probably swap the most unpopular member and be okay (hi Jihyun), but you're the more established the group the more people are gonna get mad at changes. Kara is another group of the same sort: they don't have any one particularly good singer, dancer, actor, etc. They're all just middling. A group like A Pink would lose a LOT if they didn't have Eunji or T-ara with Soyeon. They have really dominate vocal leads. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:33 Craton wrote: Jiyoon or Gayoon. Hyuna really isn't very talented, she just knows how to wear short shorts and grind on camera. I agree with the rest of you post, I just meant more of from a popularity standpoint. After Jay left JYP made do by promoting Taec and Nichkhun as much as possible but they were far more popular because of Jay than they were as a group, much like 4minute is much more popular because of Hyuna than anything the group has done. | ||
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
Lose HyoRin you lose 90% of your vocal ability Lose Soyeon and at least you have EunJung and HyoMin SO YA PATRON?! | ||
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Craton
United States17232 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:09 Craton wrote: They're no match for Soyeon vocally. Soyu is actually a pretty good vocal, but she's not Hyorin tier. They're so small though that that can't afford to lose Bora or Hyorin, but it's not because of vocal talent. Dasom could probably get replaced by another generic idol since she doesn't really contribute anything. For the kind of music that T-ara puts out they don't need an amazing vocalist though. EJ/Hyo's level of talent is plenty good enough for dance music. | ||
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Taesica
United States173 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:33 Craton wrote: Jiyoon or Gayoon. Hyuna really isn't very talented, she just knows how to wear short shorts and grind on camera. The problem when you have these groups with no one particularly talented member is you're pretty much reliant on having them all. This isn't really a problem usually since member losses usually happen in newer groups. A group like 4Minute you're just gonna ride the ez train as one of the 5 at this point. You could probably swap the most unpopular member and be okay (hi Jihyun), but you're the more established the group the more people are gonna get mad at changes. Kara is another group of the same sort: they don't have any one particularly good singer, dancer, actor, etc. They're all just middling. A group like A Pink would lose a LOT if they didn't have Eunji or T-ara with Soyeon. They have really dominate vocal leads. I don't see anything wrong with 4Minute. I think they're well rounded and underappreciated. I think if they keep the spotlight off Hyuna (ie Love Tension) and just keep her as a dancer with some vocal parts (like hyoyeon) they will be fine Also, I'd consider HSY to be the best singer in Kara. I just wish they gave her more solo parts to let her shine obligatory hsy#1 that white dress........................................ Also, TuElite can you upload or stream Karasia videos someday? I've been getting into Kara alot lately, and would love to see some of their live vids | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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Craton
United States17232 Posts
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MorningMusume11
United States3490 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:19 Roffles wrote: Who needs to sing when they just autotune it all? Or lip-sync over their own shits on "live" shows | ||
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seRapH
United States9706 Posts
This might apply to boy bands too but I honestly don't know them well enough to say. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
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andyrau
13015 Posts
everyone has different tastes, more people in a group = appeals to more niches = covers a larger demographic also the fact that even though idols are probably all individually pretty, certain members stick out because they're more attractive. the whole thing with 'a 6/10 girl that surrounds herself with ugly friends turns into an 8/10' also applies even more to idols. | ||
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ASie
United States777 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:45 seRapH wrote: This is just something I've been idly wondering, but why do so many bands (Rainbow, After School, A-Pink, even Kara) need to be girl bands when they're often not even compensating for each other or doing harmonies/countermelodies? It's like they're girl bands for the sake of being girl bands. Is it really just eye candy? More people make better dance numbers? I don't get it, especially if you factor in the time and money it takes to train 5 people as opposed to one. This might apply to boy bands too but I honestly don't know them well enough to say. Because many of them aren't talented enough to make it on their own, but they collectively have pretty enough faces to draw interest into their groups. I mean, eye candy is a HUGE factor. If you're walking down the street, would you notice the one musician on the street playing a violin or the 5 hot girls that are walking together? On August 27 2012 16:18 andyrau wrote: it's a numbers game everyone has different tastes, more people in a group = appeals to more niches = covers a larger demographic also the fact that even though idols are probably all individually pretty, certain members stick out because they're more attractive. the whole thing with 'a 6/10 girl that surrounds herself with ugly friends turns into an 8/10' also applies even more to idols. Also this and you might be referring to the cheerleader effect, where collectively girls look more attractive, but then if you look at them one by one, they are uglier. | ||
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Taku
Canada2036 Posts
On August 27 2012 15:45 seRapH wrote: This is just something I've been idly wondering, but why do so many bands (Rainbow, After School, A-Pink, even Kara) need to be girl bands when they're often not even compensating for each other or doing harmonies/countermelodies? It's like they're girl bands for the sake of being girl bands. Is it really just eye candy? More people make better dance numbers? I don't get it, especially if you factor in the time and money it takes to train 5 people as opposed to one. This might apply to boy bands too but I honestly don't know them well enough to say. Your first mistake is to use the word band, they're really just idol groups in the end rather than artists or such. | ||
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Aerisky
United States12128 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On August 27 2012 16:18 andyrau wrote: it's a numbers game everyone has different tastes, more people in a group = appeals to more niches = covers a larger demographic also the fact that even though idols are probably all individually pretty, certain members stick out because they're more attractive. the whole thing with 'a 6/10 girl that surrounds herself with ugly friends turns into an 8/10' also applies even more to idols. Also, the more people in a group you have, the more variety shows you can do, the more CF's you can do, etc. | ||
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FastEddieV
United States614 Posts
I'm actually liking Pandora. It's classic KARA. I don't look for every song from them to stand up to the vocal levels of the better groups. Just need a little HSY and Gyuri actually looking really nice in this promo cycle. Just ignore Nicole's disastrous mop of a do and all is well. | ||
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