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On July 31 2012 04:24 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:22 nichlion wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 unichan wrote:On July 31 2012 04:08 betamale wrote:On July 31 2012 04:00 klogg wrote:On July 31 2012 03:52 betamale wrote:
that story is just ridiculous (same with all the other stories and evidence that has been provided by allkpop)
AKP doesn't provide anything, they translate things reported by Korean media. Often very bad and biased translations to get more hits. they translate things and then provide it on their website next up: - eunjung put nails in hwayoung's dancing shoes - jiyeon purposely took out the batteries in hwayoung's mic to make her look bad once - qri once tried to drop a pot on hwayoung's head but a backup dancer pushed her out of the way and took the hit instead is this white: the melody of the curse It's Dream High. yea but white: the melody of the curse sounds more dramatic and fits this whole drama better imo. hwayoung gonna commit suicide and haunt t-ara for the rest of their lives
Oh, I could see how this could be White (if you haven't watched it, it's on Netflix), I was just saying the nails, batteries, and pot comments are events from Dream High.
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On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world.
You're right that she handled it horribly, but Hwayoung has probably worked as hard as the other members on T-ara, which is why she had a lot of lines on Day By Day. She deserves the respect, she doesn't deserve to be ostracized to that extent, and I'm not sure if everyone would be pissed off in that situation. There's no doubt that she's got the talent.
She could've handled it much better, but the other members have had almost 2 years with her, that should be ample time to respect her as a member - too bad they didn't.
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On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out.
What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then?
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On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out.
I understand your viewpoint that adding a new member to a group at its peak was a big mistake, and I agree with that.
However, I don't think Hwayoung "threw a big fit" or "over-reacted" to the news. She just tweeted "Truthless Facts" in response to KKS's statement. The netizens totally blew it up into a full-fledged petition/boycott/drama, whether Hwayoung planned it or not. Nonetheless, in the viewpoint of a victim of persistent bullying, she handled it relatively well.
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On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then?
I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done.
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On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world.
Fine we get it, you love Jiyeon. Shes a very pretty girl, its understandable. However none of what you just said justifies any of the alleged accusations on her
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On July 31 2012 04:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then? I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done.
Have family in music industry or be good looking. In terms of actual input, Hwayoung is head and shoulders above the pair of them combined.
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On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out.
Of all the dumb stuff going on with this whole controversy, this is the dumbest thing I've read so far.
You are in an EXTREME minority, not just here, but everywhere. Everyone realizes that Hwayoung got screwed over.
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On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out.
I don't really see anything that's "bringing the house down on the way out". None of her tweets (that I saw anyway) seemed really malicious, more defensive or sad. I doubt she put that up with some big evil plan to get all her fans to go berserk on the rest of the group/company, I think it was just her saying her thoughts.
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Stork you're confusing and spurring on an already tense situation, I.E. you're not helping
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On July 31 2012 04:31 TunaBarrett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world. Fine we get it, you love Jiyeon. Shes a very pretty girl, its understandable. However none of what you just said justifies any of the alleged accusations on her
But that's because I'm not trying to say Jiyeon didn't bully Hwayoung. I'm pretty sure she did. I've said that from my first post on the subject. Same with the other T-ara girls. My point is not that Hwayoung wasn't bullied. It's that the bullying happens almost every time you create this sort of dynamic. New girl coming in after all the hard work's been done to steal the spotlight from veteran members. Doesn't pay her dues, doesn't put in the work to get the other members to like her, then creates a huge scene on the way out.
While Hwayoung may not be some terrorist mastermind organizing all the fans, I'm pretty sure she was hoping for something like this to happen with her whole "pity me" approach. I mean, could you ham it up any more??
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I think it's hard to get accepted if you are hated from the very first day you joined the group. Especially if you don't have that good social skills.
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I didnt say you hadnt said she hadnt done it(z_Z).
What i meant was if she did it doesnt make it right, and you are certainly not in the right to try to villify the girl who, again allegedly, had to put up with it. Regardless of circumstances.
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On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out.
Why are you making shit up? There is no proof for anything you've written, you are just making your own conclusion. Lashed out how? Oh you can't say specifics of course.. just all made up. By you, right here.
Does "taking it like a professional" mean accepting lies being told about you? She is just supposed to take it like a bitch? She didn't even make big drama about it she just said it wasn't true.
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Stork bringing this thread down to AKP levels of speculation and assumptions.
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On July 31 2012 04:34 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:31 TunaBarrett wrote:On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world. Fine we get it, you love Jiyeon. Shes a very pretty girl, its understandable. However none of what you just said justifies any of the alleged accusations on her But that's because I'm not trying to say Jiyeon didn't bully Hwayoung. I'm pretty sure she did. I've said that from my first post on the subject. Same with the other T-ara girls. My point is not that Hwayoung wasn't bullied. It's that the bullying happens almost every time you create this sort of dynamic. New girl coming in after all the hard work's been done to steal the spotlight from veteran members. Doesn't pay her dues, doesn't put in the work to get the other members to like her, then creates a huge scene on the way out. While Hwayoung may not be some terrorist mastermind organizing all the fans, I'm pretty sure she was hoping for something like this to happen with her whole "pity me" approach. I mean, could you ham it up any more??
Hwayoung clearly stole all of T-ara's limelight and subsequently the bullying began out of jealousy. It all makes sense now, this whole thing's her fault.
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On July 31 2012 04:34 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:31 TunaBarrett wrote:On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world. Fine we get it, you love Jiyeon. Shes a very pretty girl, its understandable. However none of what you just said justifies any of the alleged accusations on her But that's because I'm not trying to say Jiyeon didn't bully Hwayoung. I'm pretty sure she did. I've said that from my first post on the subject. Same with the other T-ara girls. My point is not that Hwayoung wasn't bullied. It's that the bullying happens almost every time you create this sort of dynamic. New girl coming in after all the hard work's been done to steal the spotlight from veteran members. Doesn't pay her dues, doesn't put in the work to get the other members to like her, then creates a huge scene on the way out. While Hwayoung may not be some terrorist mastermind organizing all the fans, I'm pretty sure she was hoping for something like this to happen with her whole "pity me" approach. I mean, could you ham it up any more??
I really didn't see anything that was "hammy". I mean, it was a bit pretentious to go public in the first place, but that was probably due to everything else about the whole damn thing being public.
To clarify, I'm not on either side, I don't know who's at fault and don't have a bias to fall back on, but from what I've seen, Hwayoung clearly seems to be on the shit end of the stick.
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On July 31 2012 04:32 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then? I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done. Have family in music industry or be good looking. In terms of actual input, Hwayoung is head and shoulders above the pair of them combined.
I don't think it's a question of talent. I think it's exactly what the other T-ara girls said. It's a matter of dedication and manners. It seems your attitude is the same one Hwayoung took. I'm head and shoulders above you in musical talent so get out of my way while I take your lines.
Qri and Boram were there at the debut. They helped get T-ara to their peak. They were there when the group was nothing. That means something. And the original 3 are also used to Qri and Boram having their share of lines, so they're not going to be up in arms about losing any time. It was the status quo.
Whereas with Hwayoung, she's new so there's no way she's not going to be taking from the other members. OFC feathers are going to get ruffled. It's part of Hwayoung's job to smooth that out because it's to HER benefit that she's taking away lines from others. T-ARA was already popular without her. They didn't need her. Hwayoung needed them. Or else she wouldn't have joined.
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On July 31 2012 04:39 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:37 karpo wrote:
Stork bringing this thread down to AKP levels of speculation and assumptions. To be fair, everyone else is speculating and assuming shit too. no one knows shit here.
But no one else takes it to those levels.
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