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On July 31 2012 04:39 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:37 karpo wrote:
Stork bringing this thread down to AKP levels of speculation and assumptions. To be fair, everyone else is speculating and assuming shit too. no one knows shit here.
At least the captures and gifs of Hwayoung being neglected on various TV shows are real... you can even download those same shows and check for yourself scene-for-scene.
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On July 31 2012 04:37 DwD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. Why are you making shit up? There is no proof for anything you've written, you are just making your own conclusion. Lashed out how? Oh you can't say specifics of course.. just all made up. By you, right here. Does "taking it like a professional" mean accepting lies being told about you? She is just supposed to take it like a bitch? She didn't even make big drama about it she just said it wasn't true.
There's plenty of proof. Testimony from 19 members of T-ARA's staff? The 3 original members coming out on twitter to say so? That's a hell of a lot more official and solid than anything the fans have dug up.
Hilarious how everyone is ready to call the entire rest of T-ARA and CCM liars, yet so willing to believe some grainy photos and ambiguous ten second clips of interaction dug up by anti-fans on a witch hunt.
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On July 31 2012 04:31 TunaBarrett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world. Fine we get it, you love Jiyeon. Shes a very pretty girl, its understandable. However none of what you just said justifies any of the alleged accusations on her
"is a netizen who claims to be". Everyone who has picked a side based on these "truths" are retarded. Let's all believe random netizens. Why is everyone bashing Stork? Everything he says has just about the same amount of truth as anything else you idiots are reading, which seems to be zero right now.
I personally think purple is behind all this bullying, and he is responsible for chasing out Hwayoung.
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On July 31 2012 04:44 Fawkes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:31 TunaBarrett wrote:On July 31 2012 04:12 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:04 CobaltBlu wrote:On July 31 2012 03:54 Requizen wrote:
While I'm not surprised about this whole thing, what really irks me about it is that it was so public. I mean, I'm not surprised that a bunch of famous women with (assumed) big egos would have this kind of drama and cattyness. But why the hell would they make such a stink about it in front of all their fans, when they know it's just going to hurt their image? Makes even less sense than it should. It wouldn't have turned into a big deal if Hwayoung hadn't responded on twitter and started sending tweets of her holding her sister's hand and saying she's all alone in the world. Her behavior in the whole thing makes me think that if she was being ostracized she was as big a participant in it as the other girls. Exactly. I'm not seeing Hwayoung's innocence here. In fact, I don't see any angels in this story. Just a lot of young, hard-working, competitive people. The fans are more immature and unsympathetic than the girls they're villifying. Jiyeon doesn't get to see her parents for years. Her dad has to show up at her fan-signings to see his daughter. You think she's going to smile and be genuinely friendly to a girl who just shows up when they're at their peak popularity and starts to take stage and singing time away from the other girls? How would you feel in that situation? You would embrace the new girl with open arms? Hwayoung stole food out of their mouths after all the hard work they put in. Anyone would be pissed off in that situation. Yet Hwayoung is the one getting all the pity and support. There is no justice in this world. Fine we get it, you love Jiyeon. Shes a very pretty girl, its understandable. However none of what you just said justifies any of the alleged accusations on her "is a netizen who claims to be". Everyone who has picked a side based on these "truths" are retarded. Let's all believe random netizens. Why is everyone bashing Stork? Everything he says has just about the same amount of truth as anything else you idiots are reading, which seems to be zero right now. I personally think purple is behind all this bullying, and he is responsible for chasing out Hwayoung.
Good. I really dislike Hwayoung.
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No one knows the real story, believe what you want to believe. A lot of people are taking one side's story as fact and trying their hardest to debunk the other side. Both sides sound sketchy as fuck, as does this whole ordeal. Maybe we'll get more concrete evidence or whatever later down the line but seriously people calm your shit.
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On July 31 2012 04:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:32 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then? I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done. Have family in music industry or be good looking. In terms of actual input, Hwayoung is head and shoulders above the pair of them combined. I don't think it's a question of talent. I think it's exactly what the other T-ara girls said. It's a matter of dedication and manners. It seems your attitude is the same one Hwayoung took. I'm head and shoulders above you in musical talent so get out of my way while I take your lines. Qri and Boram were there at the debut. They helped get T-ara to their peak. They were there when the group was nothing. That means something. And the original 3 are also used to Qri and Boram having their share of lines, so they're not going to be up in arms about losing any time. It was the status quo. Whereas with Hwayoung, she's new so there's no way she's not going to be taking from the other members. OFC feathers are going to get ruffled. It's part of Hwayoung's job to smooth that out because it's to HER benefit that she's taking away lines from others. T-ARA was already popular without her. They didn't need her. Hwayoung needed them. Or else she wouldn't have joined.
So you are condoning bullying and kicking a girl from a group, not because she is lacking in any way, but because it's expected for useless members to dislike her precisely because she isn't useless and takes their lines?
Thanks for your input.
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On July 31 2012 04:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:37 DwD wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. Why are you making shit up? There is no proof for anything you've written, you are just making your own conclusion. Lashed out how? Oh you can't say specifics of course.. just all made up. By you, right here. Does "taking it like a professional" mean accepting lies being told about you? She is just supposed to take it like a bitch? She didn't even make big drama about it she just said it wasn't true. There's plenty of proof. Testimony from 19 members of T-ARA's staff? The 3 original members coming out on twitter to say so? That's a hell of a lot more official and solid than anything the fans have dug up. Hilarious how everyone is ready to call the entire rest of T-ARA and CCM liars, yet so willing to believe some grainy photos and ambiguous ten second clips of interaction dug up by anti-fans on a witch hunt.
I for one don't know shit. I think alot of people are just messing around here as information is 2nd hand and alot of it is from stupid "netizens".
You're the first poster where i feel that you actually borderline make shit up just to make it fit your view. Your posts are reaching fangirl levels of biased bullshit.
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On July 31 2012 04:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:37 DwD wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. Why are you making shit up? There is no proof for anything you've written, you are just making your own conclusion. Lashed out how? Oh you can't say specifics of course.. just all made up. By you, right here. Does "taking it like a professional" mean accepting lies being told about you? She is just supposed to take it like a bitch? She didn't even make big drama about it she just said it wasn't true. There's plenty of proof. Testimony from 19 members of T-ARA's staff? The 3 original members coming out on twitter to say so? That's a hell of a lot more official and solid than anything the fans have dug up. Hilarious how everyone is ready to call the entire rest of T-ARA and CCM liars, yet so willing to believe some grainy photos and ambiguous ten second clips of interaction dug up by anti-fans on a witch hunt.
You're acting like existing members of the staff and group aren't going to be biased and lie to make themselves look good.
I'm not surprised people are more believing of pictures and videos, since, you know, they can actually be observed and judged, instead of listening to the word of one side over the other.
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lol teamliquid just as bad as allkpop.. a few gifs mean 0 to me.. Kpop idols would never bully.. especially for no reason. That would easily ruin their career. Teasing on variety shows is normal.
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I'm pretty sure it wasn't Hwayoung's decision to be part of T-ARA. KKS wanted to add a new member and she just happened to be one of the trainees that was chosen. He could have easily kept the twins together for 5Dolls. Look at Dani and Ahreum, they're being added and probably will be facing the same situation Hwayoung is in. If the girls don't want a new member in the first place, they would have complained to KKS, but he basically just said deal with it or I'll just end up replacing you.
Of course she wasn't going to be accepted with open arms, but it doesn't mean that she isn't going to work hard. These girls train for their dreams and passion and don't want to ruin what they have already. Then there's even more pressure on Hwayoung for being placed into a group that's already successful. She has to please everyone around her and she isn't getting any respect for it. She isn't "stealing" lines because most songs are catered to the group. It's not their decisions whether or not they get more lines, or else Boram and Qri would have had a lot more going for them while the 6-ara days.
The testimony about the 19 staff members is really just a testimony of just 1, KKS. If all 19 staff members said something themselves individually, it would be a more pressing case. There are testimonies from dancers and other individuals that are saying the complete opposite.
I wouldn't be surprised if KKS is only letting Hwayoung go because her injury happened at the wrong time. As he said he before, everyone is replaceable and threatened anyone who wasn't good enough.
tl;dr I just don't like CCM. They mad shady.
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On July 31 2012 04:42 OpticalShot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:39 zeru wrote:On July 31 2012 04:37 karpo wrote:
Stork bringing this thread down to AKP levels of speculation and assumptions. To be fair, everyone else is speculating and assuming shit too. no one knows shit here. At least the captures and gifs of Hwayoung being neglected on various TV shows are real... you can even download those same shows and check for yourself scene-for-scene.
Nothing of this is any proof of whatever. In fact, you should assume everything you see on TV shows aren't the real people, but just actresses reading a script. All of these stupid "proofs" can be argued the other way around as well by saying they were just kidding around.
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On July 31 2012 04:47 Vorgrim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:32 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then? I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done. Have family in music industry or be good looking. In terms of actual input, Hwayoung is head and shoulders above the pair of them combined. I don't think it's a question of talent. I think it's exactly what the other T-ara girls said. It's a matter of dedication and manners. It seems your attitude is the same one Hwayoung took. I'm head and shoulders above you in musical talent so get out of my way while I take your lines. Qri and Boram were there at the debut. They helped get T-ara to their peak. They were there when the group was nothing. That means something. And the original 3 are also used to Qri and Boram having their share of lines, so they're not going to be up in arms about losing any time. It was the status quo. Whereas with Hwayoung, she's new so there's no way she's not going to be taking from the other members. OFC feathers are going to get ruffled. It's part of Hwayoung's job to smooth that out because it's to HER benefit that she's taking away lines from others. T-ARA was already popular without her. They didn't need her. Hwayoung needed them. Or else she wouldn't have joined. So you are condoning bullying and kicking a girl from a group, not because she is lacking in any way, but because it's expected for useless members to dislike her precisely because she isn't useless and takes their lines? Thanks for your input.
Thanks for the strawman. I am saying that when a new member joins, the onus is on them to make the transition work. Hwayoung obviously failed at that. So now she's out. There's no right or wrong here. There's just the realities of group dynamics. If you've ever joined a championship team or any sort of squad competing at the peak, you will know that this always happens. The newcomer always has to prove themselves, not just in ability, but also in diplomacy in getting along with the rest of the team.
There is a reason that many businesses hire based on an applicant's compatibility with the company culture, not just the individual's talents. Cohesion and cooperation matter even more than ability when you are working in a group. This is a well-understood and accepted philosophy in the adult, professional world. Hence, why I say Hwayoung has not shown professional behavior and I am not surprised that she was expelled from the group.
You are trying to take a professional arena and apply children's playground ethics to it. The fanbase is young so I can easily understand why the discourse would be shifted in that direction, but as an adult looking in, I would 100% blame KKS and Hwayoung, not the rest of the T-ARA members and staff.
Bad management by KKS and bad teamwork by Hwayoung. Sadly, the rest of the T-ARA is going to take the blame. And that, to me, is what's not right.
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This thread is no better then Allkpop comments level for the past like 20 pages anyway.
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On July 31 2012 04:44 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:37 DwD wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. Why are you making shit up? There is no proof for anything you've written, you are just making your own conclusion. Lashed out how? Oh you can't say specifics of course.. just all made up. By you, right here. Does "taking it like a professional" mean accepting lies being told about you? She is just supposed to take it like a bitch? She didn't even make big drama about it she just said it wasn't true. There's plenty of proof. Testimony from 19 members of T-ARA's staff? The 3 original members coming out on twitter to say so? That's a hell of a lot more official and solid than anything the fans have dug up. Hilarious how everyone is ready to call the entire rest of T-ARA and CCM liars, yet so willing to believe some grainy photos and ambiguous ten second clips of interaction dug up by anti-fans on a witch hunt.
The "testimony" from 19 members are where? Oh right only KKS have "talked to them" ... While other staff members have gone out publicly to say she was awesome to work with. I don't think its unbelievable that KKS just made that shit up. After all he made the hacking bullshit up just a day or whatever earlier. And what are you expecting the members to say? Do you honestly think they will come out and say "she was awesome to work with I want her in the group" when their boss have just kicked her out?
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On July 31 2012 04:54 Kipsate wrote:
This thread is no better then Allkpop comments level for the past like 20 pages anyway.
This thread is AKP past 20 pages.
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It doesn't take 1 to make a team it takes a team to make a team. If Hwayoung tried to make it work but the other members didn't I doubt Hwayoung could have done anything about it either way.
Fuck it everyone's at fault.
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On July 31 2012 04:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:47 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:32 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then? I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done. Have family in music industry or be good looking. In terms of actual input, Hwayoung is head and shoulders above the pair of them combined. I don't think it's a question of talent. I think it's exactly what the other T-ara girls said. It's a matter of dedication and manners. It seems your attitude is the same one Hwayoung took. I'm head and shoulders above you in musical talent so get out of my way while I take your lines. Qri and Boram were there at the debut. They helped get T-ara to their peak. They were there when the group was nothing. That means something. And the original 3 are also used to Qri and Boram having their share of lines, so they're not going to be up in arms about losing any time. It was the status quo. Whereas with Hwayoung, she's new so there's no way she's not going to be taking from the other members. OFC feathers are going to get ruffled. It's part of Hwayoung's job to smooth that out because it's to HER benefit that she's taking away lines from others. T-ARA was already popular without her. They didn't need her. Hwayoung needed them. Or else she wouldn't have joined. So you are condoning bullying and kicking a girl from a group, not because she is lacking in any way, but because it's expected for useless members to dislike her precisely because she isn't useless and takes their lines? Thanks for your input. Thanks for the strawman. I am saying that when a new member joins, the onus is on them to make the transition work. Hwayoung obviously failed at that. So now she's out. There's no right or wrong here. There's just the realities of group dynamics. If you've ever joined a championship team or any sort of squad competing at the peak, you will know that this always happens. The newcomer always has to prove themselves, not just in ability, but also in diplomacy in getting along with the rest of the team. There is a reason that many businesses hire based on an applicant's compatibility with the company culture, not just the individual's talents. Cohesion and cooperation matter even more than ability when you are working in a group. This is a well-understood and accepted philosophy in the adult, professional world. Hence, why I say Hwayoung has not shown professional behavior and I am not surprised that she was expelled from the group. You are trying to take a professional arena and apply children's playground ethics to it. The fanbase is young so I can easily understand why the discourse would be shifted in that direction, but as an adult looking in, I would 100% blame KKS and Hwayoung, not the rest of the T-ARA members and staff. Bad management by KKS and bad teamwork by Hwayoung. Sadly, the rest of the T-ARA is going to take the blame. And that, to me, is what's not right.
You talk about the adult professional world but you seem to have no idea how it works. If a company hires someone that later gets bullied in his work team both the team and company would be in trouble. Bullying in the workplace is completely not acceptable and shifting the blame away from the bully is beyond stupid.
I'm not taking sides in this. Just pointing out the huge flaws in your reasoning.
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On July 31 2012 04:52 nichlion wrote:
I'm pretty sure it wasn't Hwayoung's decision to be part of T-ARA. KKS wanted to add a new member and she just happened to be one of the trainees that was chosen. He could have easily kept the twins together for 5Dolls. Look at Dani and Ahreum, they're being added and probably will be facing the same situation Hwayoung is in. If the girls don't want a new member in the first place, they would have complained to KKS, but he basically just said deal with it or I'll just end up replacing you.
Of course she wasn't going to be accepted with open arms, but it doesn't mean that she isn't going to work hard. These girls train for their dreams and passion and don't want to ruin what they have already. Then there's even more pressure on Hwayoung for being placed into a group that's already successful. She has to please everyone around her and she isn't getting any respect for it. She isn't "stealing" lines because most songs are catered to the group. It's not their decisions whether or not they get more lines, or else Boram and Qri would have had a lot more going for them while the 6-ara days.
The testimony about the 19 staff members is really just a testimony of just 1, KKS. If all 19 staff members said something themselves individually, it would be a more pressing case. There are testimonies from dancers and other individuals that are saying the complete opposite.
I wouldn't be surprised if KKS is only letting Hwayoung go because her injury happened at the wrong time. As he said he before, everyone is replaceable and threatened anyone who wasn't good enough.
tl;dr I just don't like CCM. They mad shady.
I agree that it probably wasn't her decision. But once she was in the rewards were much higher if she succeeded. Instead of an unproven group that might flop at any time, she was part of an already made group that was only going to keep shining brighter. More work, but more reward.
She is taking lines because if she wasn't getting them, someone else would. It's the basic law of scarcity. A song is only so many minutes long. It's not like they wrote their songs a minute longer to give Hwayoung more lines. And ofc, it's not Hwayoung's decision to get more lines, but the fact she is there ensures she will take someone else's lines. Even one line for her is one less for the others. That's the entire point of scarcity.
So far, I've only seen one thing from an anonymous backup dancer. The dancer also clearly said that Hwayoung had a giant stink-face on, which while nowhere near as bad as slapping someone, is not a very professional or helpful attitude to have either. It's just not a way to gain respect. You want respect from the establishment, you gotta be flawless. Sounds like Hwayoung was makingmistakes and causing trouble for the others so their dislike for her naturally increased.
I also agree that CCM sounds like an awful company.
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How is that straw man? You admit that the useless members will dislike her because she HAS taken lines from them. Due to them having been together at least a year by that point existing friendships are going to draw a very real line, if a couple are against her the chances are the majority will be. None of this is Hwayoung's fault.
Did the other girl's want her in? Almost certainly not. Did Hwayoung want to join an already established and successful group? Ofc she did. But neither of these things warrant bullying and then trying to publicly smear a person's image.
CCM, KKS and T-ara are all at fault. If Hwayoung had actually been lacking, they could have removed her from the group at any time. Their contract is with the company, not the group.
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