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On July 31 2012 04:55 Nos- wrote:
It doesn't take 1 to make a team it takes a team to make a team. If Hwayoung tried to make it work but the other members didn't I doubt Hwayoung could have done anything about it either way.
Fuck it everyone's at fault.
Making it work how? T-Ara was already a team before Hwayoung and if she was the only one who couldn't get along, then she's the real problem. Bullying is stupid and childish (if it really is what happened), but getting her out of the group was the solution if nothing was going to change about their chemistry, for that I can understand KKS if the problem was going to far. When you get integrated into a new group, it's like any job. You have to blend into the group and not the other way around. If you can't then your results will suffer and you'll end up being fired.
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On July 31 2012 04:59 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:47 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:40 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:32 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:30 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:27 Vorgrim wrote:On July 31 2012 04:25 StorkHwaiting wrote:On July 31 2012 04:18 Vorgrim wrote:
almost the whole group started openly trashing her on twitter because she refused to go on stage due to injury. They would not have done this if she was not already an outcast.
Hwayoung is deserving of pity because she has been presumably in a very shitty spot with a group of girls who never accepted her and then had the ceo of her company kick her from the company and lie about the reason.
You don't have to like her, but this is no time to try turning her into a villain. Biggest villain is KKS for adding new members in the first place. Horrible idea. But I don't feel pity for Hwayoung because she's in a spot she signed up for. She got into T-ara at their peak. I'm sure at first she was ecstatic and thought she had it made. Then when she realized she would have to work for a spot in the group and win the acceptance of the others, instead of putting in that work and keeping her head down, she started lashing out and making everyone hate her. I've been the new guy on a team before. It sucks, but you also realize that you're johnny come lately and you got to pay your dues. That's just how it goes. Seems to me like Hwayoung didn't accept that position and failed to become part of the team. Now she's out. And instead of taking it like a professional, she chose to throw a big fit. I'm not seeing a victim here. Just a girl who couldn't hack it and wants to bring the whole house down with her on the way out. What bullshit. What the fuck have Qri and Boram done to earn their places in the group then? I get that you're angry. But there's no reason for cursing. And your question is so easily answered I wonder if it's not a troll. All you have to do is take a look at the member timeline to see what Qri and Boram have done. Have family in music industry or be good looking. In terms of actual input, Hwayoung is head and shoulders above the pair of them combined. I don't think it's a question of talent. I think it's exactly what the other T-ara girls said. It's a matter of dedication and manners. It seems your attitude is the same one Hwayoung took. I'm head and shoulders above you in musical talent so get out of my way while I take your lines. Qri and Boram were there at the debut. They helped get T-ara to their peak. They were there when the group was nothing. That means something. And the original 3 are also used to Qri and Boram having their share of lines, so they're not going to be up in arms about losing any time. It was the status quo. Whereas with Hwayoung, she's new so there's no way she's not going to be taking from the other members. OFC feathers are going to get ruffled. It's part of Hwayoung's job to smooth that out because it's to HER benefit that she's taking away lines from others. T-ARA was already popular without her. They didn't need her. Hwayoung needed them. Or else she wouldn't have joined. So you are condoning bullying and kicking a girl from a group, not because she is lacking in any way, but because it's expected for useless members to dislike her precisely because she isn't useless and takes their lines? Thanks for your input. Thanks for the strawman. I am saying that when a new member joins, the onus is on them to make the transition work. Hwayoung obviously failed at that. So now she's out. There's no right or wrong here. There's just the realities of group dynamics. If you've ever joined a championship team or any sort of squad competing at the peak, you will know that this always happens. The newcomer always has to prove themselves, not just in ability, but also in diplomacy in getting along with the rest of the team. There is a reason that many businesses hire based on an applicant's compatibility with the company culture, not just the individual's talents. Cohesion and cooperation matter even more than ability when you are working in a group. This is a well-understood and accepted philosophy in the adult, professional world. Hence, why I say Hwayoung has not shown professional behavior and I am not surprised that she was expelled from the group. You are trying to take a professional arena and apply children's playground ethics to it. The fanbase is young so I can easily understand why the discourse would be shifted in that direction, but as an adult looking in, I would 100% blame KKS and Hwayoung, not the rest of the T-ARA members and staff. Bad management by KKS and bad teamwork by Hwayoung. Sadly, the rest of the T-ARA is going to take the blame. And that, to me, is what's not right. You talk about the adult professional world but you seem to have no idea how it works. If a company hires someone that later gets bullied in his work team both the team and company would be in trouble. Bullying in the workplace is completely not acceptable and shifting the blame to the one being bullied is beyond stupid. Sure often both parties are to blame but to say that it's 100% on either side is delusional. I'm not taking sides in this. Just pointing out the huge flaws in your reasoning.
I don't know how the labor laws work in Sweden, but you're insane if you think bullying, back-stabbing, and competition doesn't occur in the American workplace. Especially at the higher rungs of competition. And the entertainment industry? Forget about it.
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FFS some of you need to realize you have virtually zero idea of what actually went down and being so brash with your opinions isn't necessary.
At this point it's mostly speculation, chill out
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584 Unread posts....
Over + Show Spoiler [THIS SH*T] + you guys have to be kidding me, I thought no one cared about this girl, she never ever ever got any mentions in this thread except maybe 2 or so members who appreciate her... She gets kicked off and that generates close to 600 posts in a single day ?
I thought something interesting happened to someone relevant...
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On July 31 2012 05:02 PatouPower wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 04:55 Nos- wrote:
It doesn't take 1 to make a team it takes a team to make a team. If Hwayoung tried to make it work but the other members didn't I doubt Hwayoung could have done anything about it either way.
Fuck it everyone's at fault. Making it work how? T-Ara was already a team before Hwayoung and if she was the only one who couldn't get along, then she's the real problem. Bullying is stupid and childish (if it really is what happened), but getting her out of the group was the solution if nothing was going to change about their chemistry, for that I can understand KKS if the problem was going to far. When you get integrated into a new group, it's like any job. You have to blend into the group and not the other way around. If you can't then your results will suffer and you'll end up being fired.
If I don't want to like you I won't like you no matter how hard you try. If T-ara didn't want to like Hwayoung they never will.
Like I said I have no idea what happened, but by the looks of things this should have been solved internally instead of going all public and shit. Everyone fucked up.
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On July 31 2012 04:52 nichlion wrote:
I'm pretty sure it wasn't Hwayoung's decision to be part of T-ARA. KKS wanted to add a new member and she just happened to be one of the trainees that was chosen. He could have easily kept the twins together for 5Dolls. Look at Dani and Ahreum, they're being added and probably will be facing the same situation Hwayoung is in. If the girls don't want a new member in the first place, they would have complained to KKS, but he basically just said deal with it or I'll just end up replacing you.
Of course she wasn't going to be accepted with open arms, but it doesn't mean that she isn't going to work hard. These girls train for their dreams and passion and don't want to ruin what they have already. Then there's even more pressure on Hwayoung for being placed into a group that's already successful. She has to please everyone around her and she isn't getting any respect for it. She isn't "stealing" lines because most songs are catered to the group. It's not their decisions whether or not they get more lines, or else Boram and Qri would have had a lot more going for them while the 6-ara days.
The testimony about the 19 staff members is really just a testimony of just 1, KKS. If all 19 staff members said something themselves individually, it would be a more pressing case. There are testimonies from dancers and other individuals that are saying the complete opposite.
I wouldn't be surprised if KKS is only letting Hwayoung go because her injury happened at the wrong time. As he said he before, everyone is replaceable and threatened anyone who wasn't good enough.
tl;dr I just don't like CCM. They mad shady.
Well i'm pretty sure she had to go because he was afraid of more bullying problems that would come to light. Ald for the song lines, on Star Life they showed the t-ara members picked there own lines but I think thats fake.
And ofcourse it was hwayoung choise to join (originally it was her sister who would join, but the mother said hwayoung would be better), and I think it wasnt a good idea to join a populair group who dont want you and I think she should have left/never joined. But i can also understand she did join because its probably your only chance.
I can understand that 6-ara really disliked her. Its like someone comes to benefit from your succes (although you cant say boram or QRI made that happen), take your spots and a part of your money. And they have probably have to help her because she isnt as experienced and makes more mistakes. But that said, as t-ara you have to accept that at some point and stop being bitches and i guess that never happend. That may have been because some attitude of hwayoung (we dont know anything about that) but deffenitly also because that just couldnt except that she join that group. And i'm pretty sure that did bully atleast a bit.
EDIT: also what will happen to ahreum and dani IF t-ara stays together. I doubt they will really except them. (they probably wont bully or say anything on twitter about it, unless they are really stupid) but i doubt that they will really except them.
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On July 31 2012 05:05 TuElite wrote:584 Unread posts.... Over + Show Spoiler [THIS SH*T] + you guys have to be kidding me, I thought no one cared about this girl, she never ever ever got any mentions in this thread except maybe 2 or so members who appreciate her... She gets kicked off and that generates close to 600 posts in a single day ? I thought something interesting happened to someone relevant...
It's actually code for how much we all love Nicole more than you.
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On July 31 2012 05:05 TuElite wrote:584 Unread posts.... Over + Show Spoiler [THIS SH*T] + you guys have to be kidding me, I thought no one cared about this girl, she never ever ever got any mentions in this thread except maybe 2 or so members who appreciate her... She gets kicked off and that generates close to 600 posts in a single day ? I thought something interesting happened to someone relevant...
it's not just about Hwayoung, but about T-ara in general
the conspiracy theories the last couple of pages have been nothing short of abysmal however, seriously can everyone just stop, this is getting embarrassing...
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Nobody would talk about Nicole if you didn't keep posting stuff about her. Trust me.
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Good thing I'm here to show you the light than.
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On July 31 2012 05:05 TuElite wrote:584 Unread posts.... Over + Show Spoiler [THIS SH*T] + you guys have to be kidding me, I thought no one cared about this girl, she never ever ever got any mentions in this thread except maybe 2 or so members who appreciate her... She gets kicked off and that generates close to 600 posts in a single day ? I thought something interesting happened to someone relevant...
Considering how much shit you post about a useless member in a different group, 600 posts by the entire group of other people who post in this thread isn't particularly amazing, especially when it concerns a group as well, not just one member.
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On July 31 2012 05:01 Vorgrim wrote:
How is that straw man? You admit that the useless members will dislike her because she HAS taken lines from them. Due to them having been together at least a year by that point existing friendships are going to draw a very real line, if a couple are against her the chances are the majority will be. None of this is Hwayoung's fault.
Did the other girl's want her in? Almost certainly not. Did Hwayoung want to join an already established and successful group? Ofc she did. But neither of these things warrant bullying and then trying to publicly smear a person's image.
CCM, KKS and T-ara are all at fault. If Hwayoung had actually been lacking, they could have removed her from the group at any time. Their contract is with the company, not the group.
Vorgrim, I want to respond to you, but it's hard because all I'd be doing is re-treading old posts. I've already explained what portion of responsibility lies with Hwayoung. You seem to have actively ignored every point I make in favor of ranting. I'm going to try with you one more time, but if your next post is still repeating the same points, I'm going to have to throw in the towel. Alright:
1. Hwayoung had a responsibility to fit in with the group. She failed to do so. Fault is not the word I would use here. Failure is. She failed. It's not about fault, it's just about results.
2. I never tried to rationalize bullying. I've stated this clearly to you in three separate posts now. The fact you're still harping on this tells me you're not trying to have a conversation. What I DID say was that this dynamic will always occur when you create the kind of situation KKS did in adding Hwayoung to an already-successful group.
3. In terms of public smearing, Hwayoung took that step first. Hence why the other T-ARA members have said "you started this." Nobody was naming names or bringing this out into the public. What Hyomin did was passive-aggressive and catty. But it was out of the public eye. Hwayoung decided to bring it public and start smearing images. After that, the gauntlet was cast and the mud came out.
4. Your closing argument is biased beyond belief. I'm biased too. We all are. But wow.
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In other, less silly, events: New Soyul selca! Because Crayon Pop is way the fuck more entertaining than this.
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This thread is almost as good as the MMA sexual conspiracy thread. Now THAT was conspiracy theory taken to new heights.
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How did you get banned for a month Stork?
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On July 31 2012 05:05 TuElite wrote:584 Unread posts.... Over + Show Spoiler [THIS SH*T] + you guys have to be kidding me, I thought no one cared about this girl, she never ever ever got any mentions in this thread except maybe 2 or so members who appreciate her... She gets kicked off and that generates close to 600 posts in a single day ? I thought something interesting happened to someone relevant...
Says the guy who's posted more than in just a few months about ONE girl that few care about, and people only really reply when your posts are creepy.
It's drama.
Crayon Pop gifs, yay!
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On July 31 2012 05:09 Vorgrim wrote:
Nobody would talk about Nicole if you didn't keep posting stuff about her. Trust me.
I probably would but...
On July 31 2012 05:10 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 31 2012 05:05 TuElite wrote:584 Unread posts.... Over + Show Spoiler [THIS SH*T] + you guys have to be kidding me, I thought no one cared about this girl, she never ever ever got any mentions in this thread except maybe 2 or so members who appreciate her... She gets kicked off and that generates close to 600 posts in a single day ? I thought something interesting happened to someone relevant... Considering how much shit you post about a useless member in a different group, 600 posts by the entire group of other people who post in this thread isn't particularly amazing, especially when it concerns a group as well, not just one member.
He doesn't take that sort of attitude very well you know
On July 31 2012 05:10 seiferoth10 wrote:
This thread is almost as good as the MMA sexual conspiracy thread. Now THAT was conspiracy theory taken to new heights.
Hey we put our souls into that, stop hating
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On July 31 2012 05:12 OPPAGANGNAMSTYLE wrote:
How did you get banned for a month Stork?
Did you really make that account name?
If you don't ride that shit out until at least PSY's next album, I'm going to be very disappointed at you.
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Haxx wtf is with your signature.
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On July 31 2012 05:12 OPPAGANGNAMSTYLE wrote:
How did you get banned for a month Stork?
You know it's Oppan right? (waits for someone else to grab that username)
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