Anime Discussion Thread - Page 6297

it's all just some exaggeration and pito isn't planning to do any of that or if it's true.

can someone explain to me what the FUCK this is
none of it makes any sense to me whatsoever. Like at all. I don't even know where to begin with what I don't understand. Anyone help?

Okay so let me try to follow the fate of Johan since his early days
he was born as a eugenics experiment to a nice college girl. They live hiding in the Three frogs for a few years, not doing much besides I guess reading the picture books of the guy who orchestrated the experiment to begin with? It's not clear whether they were forced to do that but whatever. Then Anna gets abducted for a month or few and then she sees everyone die, cool. After hearing the story and escaping with Anna, Johan gets the brilliant plan of "nobody can hurt us when there isn't anyone left ( ͡° ل͜ ͡°). He gets to Kinderheim 511 AFTER he formulates the plan and that seems to be the only thing he can remember once he's done with the kindergarten.

I mean I guess, he's the monster after all, so alright, he's just fucked up in the head by nature. Presumably he also just enjoys chaos and destruction so it's not that difficult to believe he'd think his plan is awesome.

So then Anna finally shoots him after he sees that she's pretty mad he killed everyone she liked. Alright, that kinda makes sense. I'm starting to get questionmarks after Tenma saves him though.

So he takes his sister out of the hospital, presumably not by using violence? After she wanted to kill him in the hospital, but ok. She no longer remembers why he should be killed anyway so I guess it's fine. So he leaves her with one foster home while homejumping himself, killing his foster parents one after another and laundering money all the while. Then he continues trying to get money through Shuwald and stuff, this kinda all makes sense. Until he reads the picture book and regains some of his memories.

So so far he's just a guy who can't remember his childhood, but he is super smart, super charismatic, angsty as fuck and enjoys causing suffering to boot, so world domination+destruction is his natural goal. Up until this point, I guess it makes sense to me.

And everything that comes after that doesn't. Why does he want to kill himself? Is that only after he discovers that Anna still (or rather again) hates him? What is this grand vision of the "landscape of the end"? What is that supposed to be? Is it supposed to be related with the end of Kinderheim on some level? Why does Anna forgive him? Is it just because he wanted to be forgiven 12 years ago or so? Why would he want to be forgiven for killing a few people RIGHT AFTER killing them? Don't you usually want to be forgiven for things you think are bad, so why did he kill them if he thought it was bad? Or did he just not realize that his sister doesn't share the vision of the future where everything burns? Is he too shy to talk about such topics?

I guess that's like a third of the things I don't understand

Aside that, gotta say I enjoyed seeing the Czech republic in anime for once. Some of the details were pretty fucking amazing. And the few scenes where you had japanese people trying to speak czech were damn hilarious.

Johan is through and through a sociopath but he has two people that he to some degree respect and or value, his sister and tenma. His goal is to kill everyone that knows of his existance, including himself and probably leaving his sister and tenma as the sole survivors.
This kind of goes back to the first foster parents he murdered before getting shot by his sister, if johan had died then and there from his sister shooting him his goal would've been accomplished, but tenma saved him. I'm not entirely sure if this meant that johan now wanted Tenma to be the one to take his life again, but i imagine so.

Johan also has quite a big focus on the idea that everyone is equal in death regardless of their actions in life. But Johan is frankly just an incredibly evil character and some of his actions i believe are intentionally irrational.

If his plan of the Ruhenheim Massacre had succeeded and Tenma had killed him then he would've achieved his goal of dying with only his Sister and Tenma knowing that he existed, but obviously his plan failed on multiple levels and eventually completely fell apart because Tenma is the opposite of Johan.

A lot of things about Johan just comes down to him being pure evil, that's sort of his role to play as well. It's why he's also constantly compared to Hitler. Just to really emphasize the Monster angle.

Well, and Franz Bonaparta and his clique knew about him. The surviving former director of Kinderheim 511 knew about him too. His mother knew he existed, but she didn't know he was a monster, so I guess she doesn't count. But if that was his goal, then it WOULDN'T have been accomplished had his sister killed him when they were kids. Also, it was a pretty big plot point when his sister realized that what Johan actually wanted wasn't really to be shot, but to be forgiven. Which I don't really get at all.

I get that he is pretty much as evil and malicious as it gets, but I don't get why he went from his dream of world domination and destruction to erasing his own existence.
I think it's supposed to be somehow related to his regaining of memories ("I've awoken from a dream") but I just don't see any connection whatsoever. Johan also said in that conversation that the whole time he thought the monster was inside him, but now he knows that it's outside (implying it's Bonaparta), but that's demonstrably wrong. But then again why would he lie to a guy he's about to kill. Or to be more meta, why would we get a scene of Johan lying to a guy he's about to kill.

Johan never wanted world domination, that's just what the neo-nazis wanted. Johan just used them for his goals but ultimately it wasn't what he was interested in.

Also johan to a large degree believes in nihilism

Well the world domination wasn't the ultimate goal, it was destruction, but you need a lot of power to do that. That's why he collected so much wealth and influence when he was 15 - 20, right? And then got influence over Schuwald to inherit the economic power. Unless he tricked Roberto as well, but then un-tricked him a bit later. Since his plan was to get Schuwald assasinated for his benefit, at least that's what Roberto thought, but after regaining his memories he decided to instead burn the entire library on a pretty short notice. And presumably the landscape of the end is what was reflected in his eyes that traumatized Schuwald such, I don't think he had that before.

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