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Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
April 30 2014 15:22 GMT
#74321
Yeaaaaa....let's not.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 30 2014 15:41 GMT
#74322
On May 01 2014 00:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
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On May 01 2014 00:13 Slaughter wrote:
Binbougami ga! was really funny. Especially if you know your anime and catch the references. The manga is even better.



I don't know if you caught my earlier post but I did finish it, god the first time everyone did the kenshiro face I just couldn't stop laughing.

just hope the mangaka's current work doesn't get too caught up in its seriousness and has its own brand of silliness.



Oh I didn't know the mangaka had started a new project! Its a more serious series though? Mmm I mean Binbougami ga! had its moments (especially the last arc) but it still was rooted in hilarity and its even better because they go even farther to more inappropriate stuff in the manga.
Never Knows Best.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 16:17:28
April 30 2014 16:16 GMT
#74323
On April 30 2014 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:
btw No Game No Life going to be out in according to HS, so get your ass on irc once you've got some time Emnjay, highlight me and we can watch it together

I'm waiting!

Oh and apparently the countdown starts anew after having reached 0, just for the next day if you don't specify a date
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
April 30 2014 16:28 GMT
#74324
On April 30 2014 19:28 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 10:43 goody153 wrote:
After all of you discussing about Hanakawa, araragi and boobs. I suddenly became really confused with what i believed in lol.

To be honest i don't know how to describe what i meant about "deep". Aside from Hanakawa being a fap material by araragi. I know that that Senjougahara is the true love. No arguing with that.

After watching Nekomonogatari. I felt like they should have been together and araragi was confusing as hell in the last few minutes. I don't like the idea that Senjougahara suddenly just steals the show.


Doesn't Hanakawa only start developing feelings for Araragi after he starts going ouot with Senjougahara? It felt more like Araragi liked Hanakawa in a physical sense which he confused for love until he actually met Senjougahara who he truly does care about. His relationship with Hanakawa is more about respect and guilt at that point. Then Hanakawa who has lost the person who idolized her suddenly becomes infatuated with him. She's so messed up at that point that she clings to whatever delusion she can. After the tsubasa tiger she realizes she needs to figure out who she is on her own and the whole crush on Araragi dissipates.

What I'm slightly confused about is why Senjougahara idolizes her so much. Did she think that becoming more like Hanakawa would make Araragi like her more? I just want long hair Senjougahara back

Gahara-san's relationship with Hanekawa isn't particularly complicated. Former is after the latter's boobs, also for a while was under the latter's instructions to fix her personality. By that I mean she probably just used keigo and slowly remembered how it works to interact with other people without resorting to staplers. The one who actually idolizes Hanekawa would be Araragi. Gahara-san definitely doesn't think that becoming more like Hanekawa is the way to go, but she has a complex toward Hanekawa for the high level of priority she holds in Araragi's mind. So she can't really help herself but to be conscious about it and kind of imitate Hanekawa. btw her hair in s3 became braided, kind of like Hanekawa's original hairdo.

As for Araragi and Hanekawa, eh. I don't think that it was a purely physical thing for him with that crush, but even then he sorted it out himself rather quickly and gave up on the idea. All that before Hanekawa felt a thing for him. So that ship never went anywhere.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50607 Posts
April 30 2014 16:33 GMT
#74325
On May 01 2014 00:41 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 00:16 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 01 2014 00:13 Slaughter wrote:
Binbougami ga! was really funny. Especially if you know your anime and catch the references. The manga is even better.



I don't know if you caught my earlier post but I did finish it, god the first time everyone did the kenshiro face I just couldn't stop laughing.

just hope the mangaka's current work doesn't get too caught up in its seriousness and has its own brand of silliness.



Oh I didn't know the mangaka had started a new project! Its a more serious series though? Mmm I mean Binbougami ga! had its moments (especially the last arc) but it still was rooted in hilarity and its even better because they go even farther to more inappropriate stuff in the manga.

you can check it out for yourself

http://www.batoto.net/comic/_/comics/sousei-no-onmyouji-r10456
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 30 2014 16:58 GMT
#74326
On May 01 2014 01:28 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2014 19:28 Numy wrote:
On April 30 2014 10:43 goody153 wrote:
After all of you discussing about Hanakawa, araragi and boobs. I suddenly became really confused with what i believed in lol.

To be honest i don't know how to describe what i meant about "deep". Aside from Hanakawa being a fap material by araragi. I know that that Senjougahara is the true love. No arguing with that.

After watching Nekomonogatari. I felt like they should have been together and araragi was confusing as hell in the last few minutes. I don't like the idea that Senjougahara suddenly just steals the show.


Doesn't Hanakawa only start developing feelings for Araragi after he starts going ouot with Senjougahara? It felt more like Araragi liked Hanakawa in a physical sense which he confused for love until he actually met Senjougahara who he truly does care about. His relationship with Hanakawa is more about respect and guilt at that point. Then Hanakawa who has lost the person who idolized her suddenly becomes infatuated with him. She's so messed up at that point that she clings to whatever delusion she can. After the tsubasa tiger she realizes she needs to figure out who she is on her own and the whole crush on Araragi dissipates.

What I'm slightly confused about is why Senjougahara idolizes her so much. Did she think that becoming more like Hanakawa would make Araragi like her more? I just want long hair Senjougahara back

Gahara-san's relationship with Hanekawa isn't particularly complicated. Former is after the latter's boobs, also for a while was under the latter's instructions to fix her personality. By that I mean she probably just used keigo and slowly remembered how it works to interact with other people without resorting to staplers. The one who actually idolizes Hanekawa would be Araragi. Gahara-san definitely doesn't think that becoming more like Hanekawa is the way to go, but she has a complex toward Hanekawa for the high level of priority she holds in Araragi's mind. So she can't really help herself but to be conscious about it and kind of imitate Hanekawa. btw her hair in s3 became braided, kind of like Hanekawa's original hairdo.

As for Araragi and Hanekawa, eh. I don't think that it was a purely physical thing for him with that crush, but even then he sorted it out himself rather quickly and gave up on the idea. All that before Hanekawa felt a thing for him. So that ship never went anywhere.


noooooooes
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 17:17:39
April 30 2014 17:13 GMT
#74327
On April 30 2014 19:28 Numy wrote:
Doesn't Hanakawa only start developing feelings for Araragi after he starts going ouot with Senjougahara? It felt more like Araragi liked Hanakawa in a physical sense which he confused for love until he actually met Senjougahara who he truly does care about. His relationship with Hanakawa is more about respect and guilt at that point. Then Hanakawa who has lost the person who idolized her suddenly becomes infatuated with him. She's so messed up at that point that she clings to whatever delusion she can. After the tsubasa tiger she realizes she needs to figure out who she is on her own and the whole crush on Araragi dissipates.

What I'm slightly confused about is why Senjougahara idolizes her so much. Did she think that becoming more like Hanakawa would make Araragi like her more? I just want long hair Senjougahara back


For the first bolded part. Idk IIRC Hanekawa was already inlove with araragi the first he saw araragi vs some other during the Kizumonogatari arc right ? it was explained a little on some part of the show that i can't remember

I have not read the original source so i maybe wrong. The only light novel i read that was adapted to anime is Haruhi Suzumiya franchise.

On May 01 2014 01:28 Ecael wrote:
Gahara-san's relationship with Hanekawa isn't particularly complicated. Former is after the latter's boobs, also for a while was under the latter's instructions to fix her personality. By that I mean she probably just used keigo and slowly remembered how it works to interact with other people without resorting to staplers. The one who actually idolizes Hanekawa would be Araragi. Gahara-san definitely doesn't think that becoming more like Hanekawa is the way to go, but she has a complex toward Hanekawa for the high level of priority she holds in Araragi's mind. So she can't really help herself but to be conscious about it and kind of imitate Hanekawa. btw her hair in s3 became braided, kind of like Hanekawa's original hairdo.

As for Araragi and Hanekawa, eh. I don't think that it was a purely physical thing for him with that crush, but even then he sorted it out himself rather quickly and gave up on the idea. All that before Hanekawa felt a thing for him. So that ship never went anywhere.



The 2nd bolded part is what i agree. The only problem is araragi actually puts everybody on high priority and senjougahara even thinks that Nadeko was a big threat for araragi having a thing on loli girls just like ZNF.
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Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 17:27:13
April 30 2014 17:26 GMT
#74328
That entire part with Gahara-san talking about Nadeko in neko shiro was meta.

For the first bolded part. Idk IIRC Hanekawa was already inlove with araragi the first he saw araragi vs some other during the Kizumonogatari arc right ? it was explained a little on some part of the show that i can't remember

Nope. Where the fuck did you get that idea?
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 17:31:05
April 30 2014 17:29 GMT
#74329
I don't think she ever considered anyone besides Hanekawa a real "threat". Sure she was pissed at him playing around with all kinds of girls but Hanekawa was the only one that made me feel like she's actually scared about him being with her.

No idea what to make of Shinobu and his relationship with her, as well as Senjyougahara's perception of said relationship. That's kind of a special thing all in itself.

was @goody above.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 17:56:01
April 30 2014 17:55 GMT
#74330
On May 01 2014 02:26 Ecael wrote:
That entire part with Gahara-san talking about Nadeko in neko shiro was meta.

Show nested quote +
For the first bolded part. Idk IIRC Hanekawa was already inlove with araragi the first he saw araragi vs some other during the Kizumonogatari arc right ? it was explained a little on some part of the show that i can't remember

Nope. Where the fuck did you get that idea?

Some episode around 12-15 in bakemonogatari i think. It was the scene where a flashback to the past(that was the kizumonogatari arc i was talking about) more like a sneak peek to it. Where the monologue at that time was hanekawa saw araragi like some prince or something. And hanekawa's cat personality was talking about it.

Anybody remember that scene ? it was when hanekawa was secretly looking at the fight.

And it was somewhere bakemonogatari ep 12-15 i think. It's not kizumonogatari(if kizumonogatari is the arc where araragi turns into a vamp) since it's not out yet but it was some kind of part of the arc being shown unto bakemonogatari.

Gosh my memory of monogatari is foggy. I have to rewatch the show again.
this is a quote
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
April 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#74331
On May 01 2014 02:55 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 02:26 Ecael wrote:
That entire part with Gahara-san talking about Nadeko in neko shiro was meta.

For the first bolded part. Idk IIRC Hanekawa was already inlove with araragi the first he saw araragi vs some other during the Kizumonogatari arc right ? it was explained a little on some part of the show that i can't remember

Nope. Where the fuck did you get that idea?

Some episode around 12-15 in bakemonogatari i think. It was the scene where a flashback to the past(that was the kizumonogatari arc i was talking about) more like a sneak peek to it. Where the monologue at that time was hanekawa saw araragi like some prince or something. And hanekawa's cat personality was talking about it.

Anybody remember that scene ? it was when hanekawa was secretly looking at the fight.

And it was somewhere bakemonogatari ep 12-15 i think. It's not kizumonogatari(if kizumonogatari is the arc where araragi turns into a vamp) since it's not out yet but it was some kind of part of the arc being shown unto bakemonogatari.

Gosh my memory of monogatari is foggy. I have to rewatch the show again.


I don't remember that scene from the anime but that should be the scene where she's about + Show Spoiler +
to get impaled in Kizu
, right?
If it is, and your description does sound like you're talking about that scene +/- a bit before and afterwards I don't really think she thought of him as a prince at that time at all.
More like "wtf is going on" and maybe a little "I need to help him" and a little of bit of trying to figure out what's happening.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
April 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#74332
On May 01 2014 02:29 Toadesstern wrote:
I don't think she ever considered anyone besides Hanekawa a real "threat". Sure she was pissed at him playing around with all kinds of girls but Hanekawa was the only one that made me feel like she's actually scared about him being with her.

No idea what to make of Shinobu and his relationship with her, as well as Senjyougahara's perception of said relationship. That's kind of a special thing all in itself.

was @goody above.


I know that shinobu is sort of inlove with araragi(i mean who isn't it's a harem anyways except kanbaru of course) but i think she doesn't mind if Senjougahara is the lover maybe as long as she can retain that weird relationship with koyomi. They seem to ignore each other.
this is a quote
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 30 2014 18:04 GMT
#74333
Her thinking in parts of Kizu made me think that she did like him. Some parts with her were just weird tho, like that scene in the gym storage room. Its been a really long time since I read Kizu tho.
Never Knows Best.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44237 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 18:08:00
April 30 2014 18:05 GMT
#74334
On May 01 2014 03:04 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 02:55 goody153 wrote:
On May 01 2014 02:26 Ecael wrote:
That entire part with Gahara-san talking about Nadeko in neko shiro was meta.

For the first bolded part. Idk IIRC Hanekawa was already inlove with araragi the first he saw araragi vs some other during the Kizumonogatari arc right ? it was explained a little on some part of the show that i can't remember

Nope. Where the fuck did you get that idea?

Some episode around 12-15 in bakemonogatari i think. It was the scene where a flashback to the past(that was the kizumonogatari arc i was talking about) more like a sneak peek to it. Where the monologue at that time was hanekawa saw araragi like some prince or something. And hanekawa's cat personality was talking about it.

Anybody remember that scene ? it was when hanekawa was secretly looking at the fight.

And it was somewhere bakemonogatari ep 12-15 i think. It's not kizumonogatari(if kizumonogatari is the arc where araragi turns into a vamp) since it's not out yet but it was some kind of part of the arc being shown unto bakemonogatari.

Gosh my memory of monogatari is foggy. I have to rewatch the show again.


I don't remember that scene from the anime but that should be the scene where she's about + Show Spoiler +
to get impaled in Kizu
, right?
If it is, and your description does sound like you're talking about that scene +/- a bit before and afterwards I don't really think she thought of him as a prince at that time at all.
More like "wtf is going on" and maybe a little "I need to help him" and a little of bit of trying to figure out what's happening.

Really ? must be on Nekomonogatari.

Alright i am getting more and more confused haha. I don't know if that was the scene. I'll look for it and drop it by this thread.
this is a quote
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 18:16:21
April 30 2014 18:08 GMT
#74335
On May 01 2014 03:04 Slaughter wrote:
Her thinking in parts of Kizu made me think that she did like him. Some parts with her were just weird tho, like that scene in the gym storage room. Its been a really long time since I read Kizu tho.

At that point in time, Hanekawa was completely messed up. I think she did have a few words of affection for him thrown in there in Kizu, but given what we know of how she is in neko kuro and how she still is by neko shiro, it should be completely discounted. To her at that point, Araragi and a dead cat are no different. There isn't any real affection to speak of, there is only doing the right thing while trying to be neutral about everyone else.
On May 01 2014 03:04 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 02:29 Toadesstern wrote:
I don't think she ever considered anyone besides Hanekawa a real "threat". Sure she was pissed at him playing around with all kinds of girls but Hanekawa was the only one that made me feel like she's actually scared about him being with her.

No idea what to make of Shinobu and his relationship with her, as well as Senjyougahara's perception of said relationship. That's kind of a special thing all in itself.

was @goody above.


I know that shinobu is sort of inlove with araragi(i mean who isn't it's a harem anyways except kanbaru of course) but i think she doesn't mind if Senjougahara is the lover maybe as long as she can retain that weird relationship with koyomi. They seem to ignore each other.

Gahara-san referred to Shinobu as a set that comes with Araragi multiple times and basically just accepts that there is no point separating the two. Shinobu doesn't particularly care about other people in general. The two do seem to exchange information though, not sure when it started however.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 30 2014 18:25 GMT
#74336
'messed up' is an awful way to put it imo
she cuts off parts of herself that she either considers to be 'toxic' or problematic so that she doesn't have to deal with them. I can't see how compartmentalizing a part of your personality you dislike is fucked up in any way. it just displays a desire to become a better person, and everyone does it, though not to the extremes that hanekawa takes it.

I don't think she's out of her mind at all and it's kind of ridiculous to say that any decisions derived from her remaining feelings aren't genuine and should be discarded.
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sfasdfasdf
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada176 Posts
April 30 2014 18:25 GMT
#74337
Do we have any idea what the fuck Ougi is? She/He obviously isn't really Oshino's niece, and doesn't even appear to be human from the looks of them. Has anything been revealed in the novels yet? And where could Oshino have gone? Will he come back?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 18:43:16
April 30 2014 18:38 GMT
#74338
On May 01 2014 03:25 sfasdfasdf wrote:
Do we have any idea what the fuck Ougi is? She/He obviously isn't really Oshino's niece, and doesn't even appear to be human from the looks of them. Has anything been revealed in the novels yet? And where could Oshino have gone? Will he come back?

Well that's the big question everyone's got on their minds isn't it?

Eca's one of the few people who has read parts of s3 so you're best of asking him in person if you want to know, but you'll certainly get spoilered.

For me, Ougi really is a fun thing to speculate about. She's this girl who's very obviously set-up as the mastermind behind everything, the evil guy who's controlling everything, especially after watching the timetravel arc and the epilogue to it. Now it is monogatari and we all know the guy loves to troll the fuck out of everyone with what you're expecting and not following up at all. Is she just not going to be that bad girl in the end? Heck, I wouldn't be suprised if the troll is that she IS the mastermind behind everything and there's nothing else to it when everyone's thinking about how it can't be her just because it's so incredibly obvious.
And yeah Oshino's probably in there somewhere as well...

Also. holy crap No Game No Life 04 was epic.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 18:52:55
April 30 2014 18:43 GMT
#74339
On May 01 2014 03:25 sfasdfasdf wrote:
Do we have any idea what the fuck Ougi is? She/He obviously isn't really Oshino's niece, and doesn't even appear to be human from the looks of them. Has anything been revealed in the novels yet? And where could Oshino have gone? Will he come back?

Huge spoilers but yes, Ougi has been revealed. Oshino's location has been revealed. + Show Spoiler [Owarimonogatari part 3] +
Oshino comes back

On May 01 2014 03:25 andyrau wrote:
'messed up' is an awful way to put it imo
she cuts off parts of herself that she either considers to be 'toxic' or problematic so that she doesn't have to deal with them. I can't see how compartmentalizing a part of your personality you dislike is fucked up in any way. it just displays a desire to become a better person, and everyone does it, though not to the extremes that hanekawa takes it.

I don't think she's out of her mind at all and it's kind of ridiculous to say that any decisions derived from her remaining feelings aren't genuine and should be discarded.

Except that isn't all that she did, cue the entire discussion with Gahara-san during neko shiro over breakfast and food flavors. Reread that and come back. The kizu and neko kuro Hanekawa isn't any better than Araragi, who is at best a self-martyring idiot who acts entirely on impulse without thinking about the consequences. Except you have that topped up with her so called desire to act in a right manner. Leading to the actions in kizu that can't be called anything short of insane. There isn't something like love at first sight at Kizu. She saw a wounded Araragi and helped him, without having any feelings for him other than the fact that it is what a good person would do in such a situation. She kind of tries to change a bit, but in reality that's all she ever does until she worked out her issues in neko shiro. So no, I can't consider anything that she did before neko shiro to be worth a damn.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-30 21:08:08
April 30 2014 21:07 GMT
#74340
On May 01 2014 03:43 Ecael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2014 03:25 sfasdfasdf wrote:
Do we have any idea what the fuck Ougi is? She/He obviously isn't really Oshino's niece, and doesn't even appear to be human from the looks of them. Has anything been revealed in the novels yet? And where could Oshino have gone? Will he come back?

Huge spoilers but yes, Ougi has been revealed. Oshino's location has been revealed. + Show Spoiler [Owarimonogatari part 3] +
Oshino comes back

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On May 01 2014 03:25 andyrau wrote:
'messed up' is an awful way to put it imo
she cuts off parts of herself that she either considers to be 'toxic' or problematic so that she doesn't have to deal with them. I can't see how compartmentalizing a part of your personality you dislike is fucked up in any way. it just displays a desire to become a better person, and everyone does it, though not to the extremes that hanekawa takes it.

I don't think she's out of her mind at all and it's kind of ridiculous to say that any decisions derived from her remaining feelings aren't genuine and should be discarded.

Except that isn't all that she did, cue the entire discussion with Gahara-san during neko shiro over breakfast and food flavors. Reread that and come back. The kizu and neko kuro Hanekawa isn't any better than Araragi, who is at best a self-martyring idiot who acts entirely on impulse without thinking about the consequences. Except you have that topped up with her so called desire to act in a right manner. Leading to the actions in kizu that can't be called anything short of insane. There isn't something like love at first sight at Kizu. She saw a wounded Araragi and helped him, without having any feelings for him other than the fact that it is what a good person would do in such a situation. She kind of tries to change a bit, but in reality that's all she ever does until she worked out her issues in neko shiro. So no, I can't consider anything that she did before neko shiro to be worth a damn.

iirc she sees food as a simple form of sustenance rather than something that should be cherished and enjoyed, hence no expectations in general in regards to food. I don't see anything excessively wrong with that - it's definitely unhealthy by normal terms but nothing so catastrophic as to classify her as insane.

I may be wrong because I read it a while ago, but in shiro, her letter (to neko) states that by cordoning off parts of herself, she's sacrificing a portion of her nature to preserve the truest parts of her character. hence, the parts of her left that actually express something are still valid indicators of what her preferences are.

she also states that she's liked araragi even before that spring break because he's able/willing to face his own shortcomings so brazenly, a complete opposite of the way she deals with hers. I don't see why this is an invalid expression of emotion, especially because she's writing the letter as she's coming to terms with her abnormalities.
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