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On February 23 2013 02:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Just curious for the VN fans, what makes it better than LNs or Anime or Manga?
I think LNs are garbage. I'm sorry, I think the stories in general are absolute trash and the industry is filled with people who failed at writing manga and then at books.
If you mean books, then it depends on the author. Still, Nasu basically put it succinctly when he said that it's harder to write a book because with a VN you get music and art to draw them in, whereas with a book you must have everything done with just text. Ideally a VN is a very strong standalone book combined with art, music, and voicing, and in more recent times production quality that essentially adds animated elements to the scene. It's the best of every world, as it can boast more background, intimacy with characters, and explanations than such things as movies, it boasts both color and music (and of course narrative explanations) that manga cannot, and it boasts images, animations, color, and music, which pure-text mediums cannot.
Unfortunately it's both a niche and a small segment of the world's artist industry that creates this. Maybe some decades down the line we'll see more of them, and thus (hopefully) a larger number of high-quality VNs, but if I remember correctly, VisualArts' attempt at producing Kinetic Novels (Planetarian) didn't sell too well. They may have been a bit too early on that gun though, because that was when the only VNs that sold were eroge, and nowadays there's by far more acceptance of non R18 VNs.
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Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN?
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On February 23 2013 02:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Just curious for the VN fans, what makes it better than LNs or Anime or Manga?
For me, its not really a question of "better" or not. Just a different medium. They are like a book, except with pictures, music, and voices (although not all of them have this last one). Its like a blend of novels, anime, and manga.
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On February 23 2013 05:24 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 02:08 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Just curious for the VN fans, what makes it better than LNs or Anime or Manga? For me, its not really a question of "better" or not. Just a different medium. They are like a book, except with pictures, music, and voices (although not all of them have this last one). Its like a blend of novels, anime, and manga.
My favorite thing about VNs is the "tricks" that can be employed that other mediums can't use. ZNF still hasn't read Ever17.
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On February 23 2013 05:15 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN?
Seems rather clear he's saying LNs are where the rejects go.
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On February 23 2013 05:40 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 05:15 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN? Seems rather clear he's saying LNs are where the rejects go.
Well, that's what he wrote, but it's not the truth at all, as there is practically no people who writes LN start off as mangaka - because aspiring mangaka start off by learning how to draw, and it would be rather odd to go into LN afterward, just like failed singers don't end up as writers. It makes much more sense if the LN supposed to be VN since some do end up working for eroge company. And the rest the post is all about VN anyway.
Overall there are most bad manga, than novel, VN, and least bad anime, but that has more to do how much it cost to produce each media rather than talent.
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Ahh.. it took about 2months to find series like Paradise Kiss (obv i suck at finding series to my taste or they don't exist) and I'm almost done already, anyone have something similiar?
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On February 23 2013 05:56 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 05:40 killa_robot wrote:On February 23 2013 05:15 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN? Seems rather clear he's saying LNs are where the rejects go. Well, that's what he wrote, but it's not the truth at all, as there is practically no people who writes LN start off as mangaka - because aspiring mangaka start off by learning how to draw, and it would be rather odd to go into LN afterward, just like failed singers don't end up as writers. It makes much more sense if the LN supposed to be VN since some do end up working for eroge company. And the rest the post is all about VN anyway.
They can't draw -> can't write -> write LN and profit
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On February 23 2013 05:40 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 05:15 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN? Seems rather clear he's saying LNs are where the rejects go.
Ironic. As VNs are also much harder to produce solo, very few people have the skills to create everything by themselves let alone having the capital. Then again I can see where you're coming from, if an artist were to create their last work before leaving the industry it would be a LN, most VNs are made during their peaks.
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On February 23 2013 06:03 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 05:56 ragz_gt wrote:On February 23 2013 05:40 killa_robot wrote:On February 23 2013 05:15 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN? Seems rather clear he's saying LNs are where the rejects go. Well, that's what he wrote, but it's not the truth at all, as there is practically no people who writes LN start off as mangaka - because aspiring mangaka start off by learning how to draw, and it would be rather odd to go into LN afterward, just like failed singers don't end up as writers. It makes much more sense if the LN supposed to be VN since some do end up working for eroge company. And the rest the post is all about VN anyway. They can't draw -> can't write -> write LN and profit
That makes no sense, it's like saying people who fail at becoming professional football player and end up as computer scientists.
Also, LN > anime adaptation in general is better than manga > anime adaptation, which would suggest LN have higher quality overall than manga.
There are tons of bad LN, but even the worst LN the story is much better than average manga.
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On February 23 2013 06:08 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 06:03 Southlight wrote:On February 23 2013 05:56 ragz_gt wrote:On February 23 2013 05:40 killa_robot wrote:On February 23 2013 05:15 ragz_gt wrote:
Wait did you mean LNs are garbage or VN? Seems rather clear he's saying LNs are where the rejects go. Well, that's what he wrote, but it's not the truth at all, as there is practically no people who writes LN start off as mangaka - because aspiring mangaka start off by learning how to draw, and it would be rather odd to go into LN afterward, just like failed singers don't end up as writers. It makes much more sense if the LN supposed to be VN since some do end up working for eroge company. And the rest the post is all about VN anyway. They can't draw -> can't write -> write LN and profit That makes no sense, it's like saying people who fail at becoming professional football player and end up as computer scientists. Also, LN > anime adaptation in general is better than manga > anime adaptation, which would suggest LN have higher quality overall than manga. There are tons of bad LN, but even the worst LN the story is much better than average manga.
I don't know if Uta's statement is true or not (I have no opinion on the subject of LN authors), but it does make sense. Hes saying he thinks that LN authors are mostly people who suck at drawing (so fail as Mangaka) and suck at writing (thus fail as an normal author), so they go down to LNs (where, allegedly, neither of those two are required), and profit.
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I suck at piano, but that is because I never learned or wanted to learn piano, not because I "fail" at it. People who want write LN would never learn how to draw, and most never attempted to write normal book.
Ooo MAL graph updated: http://mal.oko.im/ragzgt
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The implication is that they've never attempted to write a normal book due to lack of talent.
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On February 23 2013 06:28 Spazer wrote:
The implication is that they've never attempted to write a normal book due to lack of talent.
By same logic all mangaka are failed classic painters... WTF??
And if you read stuff in American book store you'd think otherwise. It seems everyone can write a book as long as he can afford an editor.
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I'm not very experienced with these things, but most LNs that I've read are very poorly written. Granted, a lot of these are translations, and Uta also mentioned a lot of linguistic differences that make the writing appear in a way that's much different than how I'm used to, but even then just from a pure story telling, plot, and character perspective a lot of things are just very unsatisfactory.
Granted, a lot of anime and manga are very similar, but just based off of things that I've loved, my favorite anime adaptations have been either manga and novel adaptations, or original works.
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On February 23 2013 06:27 ragz_gt wrote:I suck at piano, but that is because I never learned or wanted to learn piano, not because I "fail" at it. People who want write LN would never learn how to draw, and most never attempted to write normal book. Ooo MAL graph updated: http://mal.oko.im/ragzgt
Are you like intentionally not reading what people are saying?
Person 1 wants to make manga.
Person 1 learns he sucks at drawing, so decides to switch to telling his story with a novel
Person 1 then learns he sucks at writing too, so then decides to switch to telling his story with LNs
profit since according to Uta, LNs require neither
This is what Uta is saying that LN authors are made up of alot of people like Person 1. Whats so hard to understand about that lol
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I know that's what he is saying, it's just not true though. People who wants to make manga generally do NOT end up writing novels.
It's like saying people who want play basketball, but find out they can't jump
so they try to play football, but find out they can't kick
and end up running. Guess what, there are people who been training to run the whole time you were trying other stuff, so you are still not going to make it.
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On February 23 2013 06:36 ragz_gt wrote:
I know that's what he is saying, it's just not true though. People who wants to make manga generally do NOT end up writing novels.
It's like saying people who want play basketball, but find out they can't jump
so they try to play football, but find out they can't kick
and end up running. Guess what, there are people who been training to run the whole time you were trying other stuff, so you are still not going to make it.
the implication is that it takes no talent to write LNs so it doesn't matter how many people have been training for it since the required skill level or whatever is so low lol.
stop trying to draw analogies lol
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And most people who want to write manga and can't usually don't turn to writing, in general, either. There's no implied correlation that just because someone failed at making manga because they can't draw will necessarily have the drive to write. My sarcasm was that the quality of writing of LNs is so piss-poor that it's like the trash-heap of people who failed drawing (because let's face it, people try drawing when they're younger than they do writing, with very few exceptions), then turned to writing in MS/HS, then realized they suck ass at that too, and turned to LNs when they decided they still wanted to pursue a career in writing. That doesn't mean every LN writer is like that, but it certainly feels like it!
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On February 23 2013 06:08 ragz_gt wrote:
Also, LN > anime adaptation in general is better than manga > anime adaptation, which would suggest LN have higher quality overall than manga.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion, considering the track record of both is pretty awful. And while the quality of the original work does come into play, I'd say the most important aspects of a successful adaptation are competent direction and storyboarding...
On February 23 2013 06:29 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2013 06:28 Spazer wrote:
The implication is that they've never attempted to write a normal book due to lack of talent. By same logic all mangaka are failed classic painters... WTF?? And if you read stuff in American book store you'd think otherwise. It seems everyone can write a book as long as he can afford an editor.
Hilariously enough, I'd say that the abundance of trashy romance novels in supermarkets is analogous to light novels.
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