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If you come in here looking for "anime recommendations" then please refer to this chart before posting: Anime Recommendations (as of may 2014). We also have an IRC channel called #tladt where we all hang out. The channel is on Rizon, not QuakeNet! Feel free to check it out. TLADT discord is Discord.gg

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ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
February 22 2013 14:47 GMT
#53581
Lucky you... there are only few anime I prefer over original manga (H&C, FMP, Marimite, most of Black Lagoon are only ones I can think of atm).
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
aers *
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1210 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 14:53:40
February 22 2013 14:53 GMT
#53582
On February 22 2013 23:30 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
I still need to watch the live action for Sailor Moon.


It's as cheesy as sentai shows.

So it's great.

Also Luna is literally a plush.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 22 2013 14:53 GMT
#53583
On February 22 2013 23:47 ragz_gt wrote:
Lucky you... there are only few anime I prefer over original manga (H&C, FMP, Marimite, most of Black Lagoon are only ones I can think of atm).



Uh, original is often better (making good adaptions is appearantly difficult), but I prefer anime in general. Which might be odd because I think I prefer VN:s over anime.

So VN > Anime > Manga as a format for me (most of the time). I guess... I like sound? lol.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
February 22 2013 15:21 GMT
#53584
PP related

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[image loading]
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
essencez
Profile Joined February 2012
342 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 16:02:07
February 22 2013 16:01 GMT
#53585
On February 22 2013 23:53 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 23:47 ragz_gt wrote:
Lucky you... there are only few anime I prefer over original manga (H&C, FMP, Marimite, most of Black Lagoon are only ones I can think of atm).



Uh, original is often better (making good adaptions is appearantly difficult), but I prefer anime in general. Which might be odd because I think I prefer VN:s over anime.

So VN > Anime > Manga as a format for me (most of the time). I guess... I like sound? lol.


If you liked sound/music you'd strictly prefer movies over anything else as subbed movies are the only medium to have lossless audio, I think you like spacebar xD. (I've only played and dropped 2 VNs and its all I remember from VNs)

Regarding comparison between different mediums. Soundtrack will play a huge part cause no matter how good the manga/LN is, its still not going to sound good even with sfx. Usually the original will be 'better' as its much easier to impress when there is no benchmark for comparison.

I used to be strictly anime unless the manga continues where the anime left off and I'd go read if the show was interesting enough. Then I ran out of stuff to watch, so it was either, decrease my extremely low standards or start reading manga. Soon it'll be start reading horrible manga or start VNs! Although I have been enjoying translated LNs.

+ Show Spoiler [PP18+] +

Plot holes only exist when you think too hard! Akane is going to be the new head of Sybil System as desired by the 'brains'. It was often hinted her psycho-pass conditioning was excellent I believe she is one of the few that can remain unjudged. Makishima will accidentally die by Akane's hand to prove her new found powers after revealing nothing. Kagari would somehow reveal sybil system's true nature even after his death. The chief will be discarded as the 'brains' think they have grew unfit for the role or a more suitable (Akane) candidate has appeared. Kogami will become the new Makishima after converting to the dark side. Self-evolving governing system is born, utopia is achieved!
essence.gg - "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try Again. Fail again. Fail better." - Samuel Beckett
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 16:07:03
February 22 2013 16:04 GMT
#53586
On February 22 2013 23:53 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 23:47 ragz_gt wrote:
Lucky you... there are only few anime I prefer over original manga (H&C, FMP, Marimite, most of Black Lagoon are only ones I can think of atm).



Uh, original is often better (making good adaptions is appearantly difficult), but I prefer anime in general. Which might be odd because I think I prefer VN:s over anime.

So VN > Anime > Manga as a format for me (most of the time). I guess... I like sound? lol.


wtf where are books?

Books > Manga > Anime > VN
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 16:19:31
February 22 2013 16:19 GMT
#53587
On February 23 2013 01:01 essencez wrote:

+ Show Spoiler [PP18+] +

Plot holes only exist when you think too hard! Akane is going to be the new head of Sybil System as desired by the 'brains'. It was often hinted her psycho-pass conditioning was excellent I believe she is one of the few that can remain unjudged. Makishima will accidentally die by Akane's hand to prove her new found powers after revealing nothing. Kagari would somehow reveal sybil system's true nature even after his death. The chief will be discarded as the 'brains' think they have grew unfit for the role or a more suitable (Akane) candidate has appeared. Kogami will become the new Makishima after converting to the dark side. Self-evolving governing system is born, utopia is achieved!


Goddamn now i can see that coming because the writer is Gen Urobuchi afterall. I hope that won't happen though. I feel so sad now. I don't want her to die T_T
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
February 22 2013 16:21 GMT
#53588
LN is great because I can read them at work without fear of being caught. Just stuck it in a bunch window of technical documents, boss can't read Japanese anyway! But if you don't know Japanese (or Chinese and Korean) it would be pretty hard to have a steady supply of them.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 22 2013 16:27 GMT
#53589
On February 23 2013 01:01 essencez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On February 22 2013 23:47 ragz_gt wrote:
Lucky you... there are only few anime I prefer over original manga (H&C, FMP, Marimite, most of Black Lagoon are only ones I can think of atm).



Uh, original is often better (making good adaptions is appearantly difficult), but I prefer anime in general. Which might be odd because I think I prefer VN:s over anime.

So VN > Anime > Manga as a format for me (most of the time). I guess... I like sound? lol.


If you liked sound/music you'd strictly prefer movies over anything else as subbed movies are the only medium to have lossless audio, I think you like spacebar xD. (I've only played and dropped 2 VNs and its all I remember from VNs)

Regarding comparison between different mediums. Soundtrack will play a huge part cause no matter how good the manga/LN is, its still not going to sound good even with sfx. Usually the original will be 'better' as its much easier to impress when there is no benchmark for comparison.

I used to be strictly anime unless the manga continues where the anime left off and I'd go read if the show was interesting enough. Then I ran out of stuff to watch, so it was either, decrease my extremely low standards or start reading manga. Soon it'll be start reading horrible manga or start VNs! Although I have been enjoying translated LNs.

+ Show Spoiler [PP18+] +

Plot holes only exist when you think too hard! Akane is going to be the new head of Sybil System as desired by the 'brains'. It was often hinted her psycho-pass conditioning was excellent I believe she is one of the few that can remain unjudged. Makishima will accidentally die by Akane's hand to prove her new found powers after revealing nothing. Kagari would somehow reveal sybil system's true nature even after his death. The chief will be discarded as the 'brains' think they have grew unfit for the role or a more suitable (Akane) candidate has appeared. Kogami will become the new Makishima after converting to the dark side. Self-evolving governing system is born, utopia is achieved!


Well, I don't really know what else it could be that makes me prefer VN:s. Though, of course, if you compare a VN to a Manga I guess the amount of text would be substantially greater in the VN, so maybe that's it.

On February 23 2013 01:04 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 23:53 Maxie wrote:
On February 22 2013 23:47 ragz_gt wrote:
Lucky you... there are only few anime I prefer over original manga (H&C, FMP, Marimite, most of Black Lagoon are only ones I can think of atm).



Uh, original is often better (making good adaptions is appearantly difficult), but I prefer anime in general. Which might be odd because I think I prefer VN:s over anime.

So VN > Anime > Manga as a format for me (most of the time). I guess... I like sound? lol.


wtf where are books?

Books > Manga > Anime > VN


Well the general tendency is that if there's a movie/tv show of a book, the book is almost certainly a lot better. I guess LN:s would be the most relevant type of book considering that we're talking about anime/manga etc. I haven't really read that many LN:s so I wasn't entirely certain of where I'd put it. But yeah, if we include western/live action series and books, I'd certainly agree with you and put books on top, I guess it's just the LN:s I'm undecided about? Or something along those lines. Maybe I'm doing a stupid distinction between LN:s and books as a whole.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
February 22 2013 16:46 GMT
#53590
You should read more manga Maxie.
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
Spaiku
Profile Joined July 2012
Spain1114 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 16:59:18
February 22 2013 16:55 GMT
#53591
On February 22 2013 19:54 nohbrows wrote:
Just finished watching Psycho Pass Ep 18
+ Show Spoiler +

Off model was immediately noticeable. For an anime that's been pretty good about keeping animation quality at a high level, it was just totally off.

Plot holes? The only one that I can see is Kogami walking out with a helmet on. It hasn't been definitively established in the series yet, but that whole shot where the focus is on the "face" of one of the blue security drones during the assignment transfer scene in the garage is highly suggestive that the drones could "see" what was going on and therefore report it to Chief. The only excuses that I could be seen given is either that (a) the chief caught wind of the plan ahead of time, (b) it was his psycho-pass she was tracking, (c) whoever storyboarded that entire scene fucked up and shouldn't have turned the camera (?) onto the drone or (d) it is a plot hole and for a show that's pretty watertight about its writing, it's kind of surprising and could be just a contrivance to highlight Akane shooting Kogami. And get Kogami in the hands of an actual gun.

Chief forcefully changing the Dominator in front of everyone is super fishy, yeah, but most likely everyone was too shocked to respond in time, and would probably given an excuse along the lines of "Oh hey, you know, I'm chief, so I get special privileges" or something like that afterwards during debriefing. Only Akane was level-headed enough to react to the situation correctly.

Which, btw, is why I'm loving Akane so much. She's developed as a character throughout the series and isn't just another "I'm a female character here solely for fanservice" character. She could have been, but I feel like she hasn't become one (yet). It's interesting to note that everytime we see a turning point in the plot/a revelation of Akane's development, it is punctuated by her having to shoot someone. From the hesitant, indecisive moment in the first episode (her starting point) to the traumatic encounter with Makashima and failure to fire that damn shotgun properly, (her faith in the system is questioned and tested) to the very decisive, split second decision she made in this week's episode (her resolve has strengthened as did her relationship with Kogami), we see Akane at her most emotionally vulnerable (or resolute) when she is with a gun. Guns are a central motif to Psycho-pass and that her successes are only shown when she is using a Dominator helps reinforce a central theme to Akane's character: her faith in the system. Even when the system is being manipulated against her (and the people she care about), she still has enough faith to be able to pull the trigger on Kogami and know that the shot being released by her will be a nonlethal one. When she attempted to go against her trust in the system and step outside of the law, it did nothing but result in hurt. Lots of it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is also the first time we've seen Akane actually utilize the Dominator following her encounter with Makishima in the sewers.

On the revolver: It's been stressed a lot of times throughout the series that they have no access to projectile-based firearms and that those that are still around are relics of the past. Makishima's team used nailguns as their firearms...think about that. They couldn't even blackmarket a gun. The old android dude (don't remember his name) used a double barreled shotgun...that shit's primitive even by today's standards. I don't see this as a problem and it's pretty awesome that the firearm of choice is the revolver with all the police/cowboy/vigilante/bank robber associations/tropes that go with it.

On the sibyl system: I think that the sibyl system uses the brains as a method of processing power. It checks psychopasses using experiences that the brains possess and although it is apparent that the brains are cognitively aware of their situation, I thought that it was suggested in the previous episode that in the end, a computer still handled all the psychopass evaluations. Which is why Sibyl cannot force someone's psychopass to go up, because it's still an automated system. If that was the case, Sibyl would have been aware that Makishima existed and would have forced his number to an insanely high level on everyone's gun just to get rid of him. The chief-android-thing maybe is the only way for sibyl to exercise judgement on a micro level. But of course, everyone would freak the hell out and then it becomes a moot point to utilize it with any frequency. Also, because it's still human brains acting out chief, there is a good chance that "chief" allowed some inner emotions from one of the brains to interfere with rational thought and try to just get rid of Kogami because he was starting to become a pain in the ass.

Idk, those are my thoughts for this week's episode. Solid writing as always, good dialogue (or, as good as it was translated), and more KogamixAkane. Can't want for next week's episode and goddamn it Kogami , you made Akane cry.


Also, Akane is adorable. You guys have some really weird standards.

I mean,+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]


I would date that. Totally.

If you are a man she's the only girl on PP you could date
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
February 22 2013 17:00 GMT
#53592
for me its
VN>LN>anime>manga
the manga is only conditionally better than the anime in situations where either the manga is still ongoing after the anime or for anime that are already a couple hundred episodes and i don't want to watch that many.
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
February 22 2013 17:08 GMT
#53593
Just curious for the VN fans, what makes it better than LNs or Anime or Manga?
/人◕ ‿‿ ◕人\ Make a contract with me and join TLADT | Onodera isn't actually a girl, she's just a doormat you walk over to get to the girl. - Numy 2015
elt
Profile Joined July 2010
Thailand1092 Posts
February 22 2013 17:14 GMT
#53594
Also for VNs: Any preferred/recommended translators? The ones I've come across are Mirror Moon and Fuwanovel.
(Under Construction)
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
February 22 2013 17:25 GMT
#53595
On February 23 2013 02:14 elt wrote:
Also for VNs: Any preferred/recommended translators? The ones I've come across are Mirror Moon and Fuwanovel.

You don't really have much choice with VNs. Its not like different translators release competing translations for a single VN. Whoever translates what VN is what you have to go with, in almost all cases.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Maxie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
February 22 2013 17:33 GMT
#53596
On February 23 2013 01:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:
You should read more manga Maxie.


I probably should, at this point I'm following two.

Well, I'll read the Gunslinger Girl manga and probably start on the Shingeki no Kyoujin manga as well. Grimdark, like a Swede.
Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2539 Posts
February 22 2013 17:36 GMT
#53597
On February 23 2013 02:14 elt wrote:
Also for VNs: Any preferred/recommended translators? The ones I've come across are Mirror Moon and Fuwanovel.


There is no choice. Only one group does one vn, because VNs are such a huge effort.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
February 22 2013 17:58 GMT
#53598
On February 23 2013 02:33 Maxie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2013 01:46 Zergneedsfood wrote:
You should read more manga Maxie.


I probably should, at this point I'm following two.

Well, I'll read the Gunslinger Girl manga and probably start on the Shingeki no Kyoujin manga as well. Grimdark, like a Swede.


It's pretty normal to follow 100+ manga at same time with the long duration.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
February 22 2013 18:56 GMT
#53599
Akane's design is oke, she wouldn't be as moe without Hanakana tho.
WriterXiao8~~
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 19:27:31
February 22 2013 19:21 GMT
#53600
Puru joins the list of "Gundam Characters whose Seiyuu has died"

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-02-22/voice-actress-chieko-honda-passes-away

rip


Add Enel El from Gundam X to that list as well, since she did her too
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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