EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 2682
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ragz_gt
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
LNs are for people who lack intelligence when reading. + Show Spoiler + Waiting for the day Jane Austen VNs exist. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:06 essencez wrote: Ironic. As VNs are also much harder to produce solo, very few people have the skills to create everything by themselves let alone having the capital. Then again I can see where you're coming from, if an artist were to create their last work before leaving the industry it would be a LN, most VNs are made during their peaks. No decent-budget VN is produced solo. Even doujin VNs generally involve a writer + illustrator + freeware software + music from god knows where. Most budgeted VNs from major VN companies involve a designated writer (or several designated writers, as is generally the case with Key). For example, Rewrite (from Key) was written primarily by Tanaka Romeo who is... an author, albeit a LN one (although I'd say he's one of those "exceptions" in the LN industry who actually seems to have good writing skills, but I don't generalize my bias off of the 0.1%). Like I said to znf elsewhere, there's no rule that states that a VN must have inferior writing to a book -- that they do is simply because 1) established authors have no real incentive to stop producing cashcow books and 2) the industry is still fledgling and niche, so it's hard to draw established writers. Case-in-point, Nasu Kinoko created Type-Moon and wrote Tsukihime and F/SN when he was like a college undergrad, with the assistance of essentially freeware software and an illustrator friend. He was so slow at writing and his two stuff had sold so well that he wrote a book (Kara no Kyoukai) and, well, that was basically it for him from the VN front. He simply made more money licensing what was already there and actually writing... books. Shocking. Another example of how craved established writers are in the VN industry is Ou Jackson, who wrote only a little bit of Shuffle, but was so highly-regarded that Navel basically let him dick around writing OreTsuba for a decade, then VN'd it (to much acclaim), and he's still been dicking around but no one gives a shit because he's such a superior writer to most other people VN companies can grab. But the nicheness is slowly changing, as per Tanaka Romeo and such, so we'll see how it turns out. And the multitalented production of VNs these days is why you see hilarity like VisualArts (parent company of Key) employing such ridiculous casts of musicians with noncomparable writing skills that I call their VNs PVs for their music, such is how much of a talent disparity there is between writing and music. Is a shame, but that's how it goes for any industry that involves writing, I feel (see: movies). On February 23 2013 06:53 Spazer wrote: Hilariously enough, I'd say that the abundance of trashy romance novels in supermarkets is analogous to light novels. Replace trashy romance with trashy murder mystery suspense thriller drivel and you nail the English-language novel industry, to be honest. I've tried to read books in English and it's even harder to find something good than Japanese because you have an even greater quantity of stupid rehashed SEX AND GUNS murder "mystery" crap. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:57 rabidch wrote: VNs are for people who lack imagination when reading. LNs are for people who lack intelligence when reading. + Show Spoiler + Waiting for the day Jane Austen VNs exist. lol rabid so qt :3 | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
H scenes would be a plus as well | ||
MoonBear
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:57 rabidch wrote: VNs are for people who lack imagination when reading. LNs are for people who lack intelligence when reading. + Show Spoiler + Waiting for the day Jane Austen VNs exist. "Light Novels are just printing what the readers demand! What's important is the entertainment factor!" | ||
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:58 Southlight wrote: Replace trashy romance with trashy murder mystery suspense thriller drivel and you nail the English-language novel industry, to be honest. I've tried to read books in English and it's even harder to find something good than Japanese because you have an even greater quantity of stupid rehashed SEX AND GUNS murder "mystery" crap. Stop buying books from the supermarket and maybe go into the "literature" section of your local book store :D. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
It's mainly when I look up recommended authors/topsellers from NYT and shit they're all the same crap. Rawr. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On February 23 2013 06:58 Southlight wrote: Replace trashy romance with trashy murder mystery suspense thriller drivel and you nail the English-language novel industry, to be honest. I've tried to read books in English and it's even harder to find something good than Japanese because you have an even greater quantity of stupid rehashed SEX AND GUNS murder "mystery" crap. Maybe if you weren't consuming Japanese media through an existing quality filter your opinion would be vastly different. I guarantee that there are tons of Japanese people saying the exact same thing, just in reverse. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
...? What's your point? | ||
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
1. Political Persecution 2. War or revolutionary activity 3. Tragic lives That is perhaps the reason why people like Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, Sartre, Twain, and Mishima are great authors. So of course most Japanese authors born post-war are going to be shit. | ||
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solidbebe
Netherlands4921 Posts
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:09 Shiragaku wrote: The reason why most literature is shit these days is because most great authors usually live in at least one of these three conditions. 1. Political Persecution 2. War or revolutionary activity 3. Tragic lives That is perhaps the reason why people like Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, Sartre, Twain, and Mishima are great authors. So of course most Japanese authors born post-war are going to be shit. That's a terrible generalization. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
Edit: Anyway, I'm streaming Porco Rosso for a group of people over on another forum at 7PM EST. If you want to watch, it will be here: www.twitch.tv/zergneedsfood Expect some delays though, I'm bad streaming and I'll probably have some syncing problems with audio/video for like the first twenty minutes. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:09 Shiragaku wrote: The reason why most literature is shit these days is because most great authors usually live in at least one of these three conditions. 1. Political Persecution 2. War or revolutionary activity 3. Tragic lives That is perhaps the reason why people like Shakespeare, Dostoyevsky, Sartre, Twain, and Mishima are great authors. So of course most Japanese authors born post-war are going to be shit. what lol not only is that a terribly inaccurate and sweeping generalization, some of your examples don't even fit. shakespeare and twain? both lived in fame and wealth, without sweeping war/revolution, and their lives were hardly tragic. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: what lol not only is that a terribly inaccurate and sweeping generalization, some of your examples don't even fit. shakespeare and twain? both lived in fame and wealth, without sweeping war/revolution, and their lives were hardly tragic. The Elizabethan Era was more or less a police state. I am not sure if Shakespeare's life was in perpetual danger by spying, but he makes it clear that it is a pretty big deal in Hamlet where spying is ubiquitous. And Twain lived in wealth, but his father died at the age of 11, three of his siblings died, one of his sons died 19 months old, and he would outlive another one of his children. This sounds like a pretty awful life. Also, the last years of his life were pretty depressing. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:18 Shiragaku wrote: The Elizabethan Era was more or less a police state. I am not sure if Shakespeare's life was in perpetual danger by spying, but he makes it clear that it is a pretty big deal in Hamlet where spying is ubiquitous. And Twain lived in wealth, but his father died at the age of 11, three of his siblings died, one of his sons died 19 months old, and he would outlive another one of his children. This sounds like a pretty awful life. Also, the last years of his life were pretty depressing. separating the autobiographical and the historical/fantastical from shakespeare's writings is a thorny issue, and your naive treatment of it tells me you have had very little exposure/actual knowledge to it ;d im no expert on twain's life, but if you simply equate the deaths of relatives to tragedy, and by extension literary greatness, then there would be many more great authors than there actually are indeed, by your metric of tragedy/suffering and its correlation to literary greatness, i would venture that each and every one of us is a dante or a shakespeare or [take your pick] | ||
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
On February 23 2013 08:58 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: separating the autobiographical and the historical/fantastical from shakespeare's writings is a thorny issue, and your naive treatment of it tells me you have had very little exposure/actual knowledge to it ;d im no expert on twain's life, but if you simply equate the deaths of relatives to tragedy, and by extension literary greatness, then there would be many more great authors than there actually are indeed, by your metric of tragedy/suffering and its correlation to literary greatness, i would venture that each and every one of us is a dante or a shakespeare or [take your pick] Man, if family death defined Twain's writing, then all of his stuff must surely be filled with dark and depressing stories of suffering families, broken homes and the struggle to deal with grief. And Shakespeares work must surely always be some hidden commentary agains the workings of the gestapo. -.- edit: welcome to Team Liquid Literature discussion thread?  | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/zergneedsfood | ||
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