EPTIts pretty simple if you dont have a command over the language good enough to understand the Saitei styled subs thing then youd be scratching your head a tad or you might miss the point completely. Again you might not enjoy it as much but people who can pick up romanized references and enjoy them are not the only ones watching. I dropped the show but like MichaelEU I'd rather watch the Saitei (although I dont really consider myself a Weeboo, whatever that really is) but Id reccommend Crunchy.
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
Its pretty simple if you dont have a command over the language good enough to understand the Saitei styled subs thing then youd be scratching your head a tad or you might miss the point completely. Again you might not enjoy it as much but people who can pick up romanized references and enjoy them are not the only ones watching. I dropped the show but like MichaelEU I'd rather watch the Saitei (although I dont really consider myself a Weeboo, whatever that really is) but Id reccommend Crunchy. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:13 Ecael wrote: People make sounds, people memorized a certain order sounds come out, people slap said card using process of elimination. It is nice and all to want to include the random things in there or to leave a ton of shit romanized so people can follow, but frankly that's useless for market penetration. Crunchy is operating a business here. At that I don't even see the point of bothering to wait for something like Saitei's unless some aspect of their translation draws you. All the cultural meaning behind karuta lies in the phrases used, there is no meaning whatsoever in the 'sport' itself. So yeah if you like that aspect of Japanese literature, all the power to you. I'd recommend you go buy a book and read those instead of bothering with watching an anime about karuta. But when I watch a Go/Chess/Shougi series I watch it for the deep symbolism regarding each piece, each location, and what it means in relation to the culture that sport was invented in  Why should karuta be any different, or are you just discriminating against card games? | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:41 Southlight wrote: But when I watch a Go/Chess/Shougi series I watch it for the deep symbolism regarding each piece, each location, and what it means in relation to the culture that sport was invented in Why should karuta be any different, or are you just discriminating against card games?For you I recommend this masterpiece. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kSK8n.jpg) | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Already did: On September 22 2011 00:40 Southlight wrote: Code Geass was amazing. It matched some of the most intellectually sound people, had battlefield tactics that were so intricate and thought-out that it reminded me of a cross between Legend of Galactic Heroes and Death Note. None of the characters were teenage emos, as they all were mature, driven people with their own convictions, like Shakugan no Shana. So much deep philosophy about manhood, mankind, and war, it was almost like an Evangelion version of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann. The story arc with Euphie was tragic, reminding me of Titus Andronicus, and was both touching and exciting, making me wish things had taken that turn much earlier. Alas, that's the only qualm I had with CG, which is that it delayed some of the best moments until too late into the season, forcing you to watch R2, which was a very Gundam-esque move. That was around when we should have realized that their lead writer was assassinated and replaced by Char Aznable. | ||
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aers
United States1210 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
Damn shoujo mangas like this one really hit home with me | ||
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Perguvious
United States1783 Posts
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:13 Ecael wrote: People make sounds, people memorized a certain order sounds come out, people slap said card using process of elimination. It is nice and all to want to include the random things in there or to leave a ton of shit romanized so people can follow, but frankly that's useless for market penetration. Crunchy is operating a business here. Because they speak Japanese too quickly and I can't understand them with my very very limited experience with the language. I can't pick out the words they use to refer to the cards from the rest of the words they use. I want to see the subtitles help me out here instead of taking the meaning out of the things the characters say. What is Commie's excuse then? They are making a poor choice in translating things that are important to understanding the anime. Therefore, Commie's subs are inferior to Saitei's. And Crunchysub's are just as bad. At that I don't even see the point of bothering to wait for something like Saitei's unless some aspect of their translation draws you. All the cultural meaning behind karuta lies in the phrases used, there is no meaning whatsoever in the 'sport' itself. So yeah if you like that aspect of Japanese literature, all the power to you. I'd recommend you go buy a book and read those instead of bothering with watching an anime about karuta. I don't care about Japanese culture. I was using that as an example where translating loses meaning of the said thing. It is very similar to this. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
On January 21 2012 04:36 Rebs wrote: Yea the root of the supposed "Karutalanguage" is still Japanese.I dont really get why you would want to call it its own langauge anyway, games like this exist in other languages and equating the logic and tactics involved in playing the game to a language by itself seems a bit strange. Its pretty simple if you dont have a command over the language good enough to understand the Saitei styled subs thing then youd be scratching your head a tad or you might miss the point completely. Again you might not enjoy it as much but people who can pick up romanized references and enjoy them are not the only ones watching. I dropped the show but like MichaelEU I'd rather watch the Saitei (although I dont really consider myself a Weeboo, whatever that really is) but Id reccommend Crunchy. Ok I understand this. It is subjective in the style I prefer. This is different because the language of the game means EVERYTHING. When you translate the word, you are losing meaning instead of gaining meaning. This is objective and therefore, Saitei's subs should be prefered over everyone else's. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:56 RoieTRS wrote: Because they speak Japanese too quickly and I can't understand them with my very very limited experience with the language. I can't pick out the words they use to refer to the cards from the rest of the words they use. I want to see the subtitles help me out here instead of taking the meaning out of the things the characters say. What is Commie's excuse then? They are making a poor choice in translating things that are important to understanding the anime. Therefore, Commie's subs are inferior to Saitei's. And Crunchysub's are just as bad. I don't care about Japanese culture. I was using that as an example where translating loses meaning of the said thing. It is very similar to this. If you have enough time to complain about a volunteer service, I recommend you just learn the language. It isn't exactly hard. Either way, I don't exactly see any reason that subtitles need to help you with that, especially if you aren't trying to learn about the tanka (iirc, don't think there are any choka used). Also I don't feel like it is important to understanding the anime at all, invariably it is just process of elimination based on what they have heard already. Anyways, I don't use subs, wasn't commie just repackaged Horriblesub? Like Michael said, there are times where you need to accept loss in context so things make sense at all in the language that you speak. Sometimes that means you lean toward very literal translations w/ plenty of notes and that certainly can work. More often than not people aren't anal and just try to understand things with the contexts that they have. If you are anal about the former, you might as well as go learn the language and read source. Yes, I am kind of anal about that kind of stuff. Yes, I learned the languages I needed to read those things' sources. | ||
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MichaelEU
Netherlands816 Posts
(horriblesubs, commie and crunchysubs all rip off crunchy/funi/whatever) | ||
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Ushio
Canada868 Posts
On January 21 2012 07:15 MichaelEU wrote: Eca, I knew you liked imouto yandere maids but I didn't know you were into anal as well! (horriblesubs, commie and crunchysubs all rip off crunchy/funi/whatever) lol wut, anal? Am I missing something here | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
T/L note: Michael makes pun "anal" as in being anal about something, and anal sex. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + So apparently the commander is OP? I would guess he actually has the ability to fight Noise or it wouldn't make sense that they'd give him so much power but be useless against them. Seems like the ending of ep1 wasn't a complete troll after all as we see Hibiki begin to transform to dark crazy mode a bit. Maybe this is an effect of having the Kanade's artifact lodged in her body or maybe because she's using "someone else's" song. They conveniently explained complaints about Noise as they only just recently appeared frequently and only in this one area. Finally, we have some new girl using some fancy named armor. Could be good or bad guy; I get the feeling it's some more powerful version of Symphogear but a different division. Hibiki ditching her friend multiple times is already annoying. Probably will play a role later on as she will chase Hibiki to the battlefield and die a stupid death or something like that. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On January 21 2012 10:08 KazeHydra wrote: Symphogear 3 brought up a few interesting topics. + Show Spoiler + So apparently the commander is OP? I would guess he actually has the ability to fight Noise or it wouldn't make sense that they'd give him so much power but be useless against them. Seems like the ending of ep1 wasn't a complete troll after all as we see Hibiki begin to transform to dark crazy mode a bit. Maybe this is an effect of having the Kanade's artifact lodged in her body or maybe because she's using "someone else's" song. They conveniently explained complaints about Noise as they only just recently appeared frequently and only in this one area. Finally, we have some new girl using some fancy named armor. Could be good or bad guy; I get the feeling it's some more powerful version of Symphogear but a different division. Hibiki ditching her friend multiple times is already annoying. Probably will play a role later on as she will chase Hibiki to the battlefield and die a stupid death or something like that. + Show Spoiler + Well, in the first episode, the ending is already known. She's not going to die, Hibiki is. Also, commander probably can't sing, so he doesn't have any armor and would probably die trying to kill Noise (you do have to touch them unless you have some kind of weapon like Kanade and Tsubasa did). | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
On January 21 2012 08:56 Blasterion wrote: T/L note: Michael makes pun "anal" as in being anal about something, and anal sex. what does "T/L note" mean btw? | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On January 21 2012 10:31 Zergneedsfood wrote: + Show Spoiler + Well, in the first episode, the ending is already known. She's not going to die, Hibiki is. Also, commander probably can't sing, so he doesn't have any armor and would probably die trying to kill Noise (you do have to touch them unless you have some kind of weapon like Kanade and Tsubasa did). + Show Spoiler + Oh I got them mixed up. In that case, she'll follow Hibiki to the battlefield and Hibiki will die trying to protect her. I agree regarding the commander, but it just seems silly to have him be so strong but not participate in battles eventually. I guess if there's some powerful enemy humans, then he can fight. | ||
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Zergneedsfood
United States10671 Posts
On January 21 2012 10:48 KazeHydra wrote: + Show Spoiler + Oh I got them mixed up. In that case, she'll follow Hibiki to the battlefield and Hibiki will die trying to protect her. I agree regarding the commander, but it just seems silly to have him be so strong but not participate in battles eventually. I guess if there's some powerful enemy humans, then he can fight. + Show Spoiler + Makes me kind of convinced that he's going to die, to be honest. Powerful badass characters don't usually show how powerful they are and walk away from the show unscathed. :/ And given how this show is treating its characters, it wouldn't be that surprising. | ||
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Necrophantasia
Japan299 Posts
On January 21 2012 06:57 RoieTRS wrote: Ok I understand this. It is subjective in the style I prefer. This is different because the language of the game means EVERYTHING. When you translate the word, you are losing meaning instead of gaining meaning. This is objective and therefore, Saitei's subs should be prefered over everyone else's. I sort of agree with this. I know decent enough Japanese, and I do some translation. I usually get peeved about putting too much detail in my translations, especially translator's notes. However, in the case of Chiyafuru, I think it's great that they're putting that extra detail in. Karuta is a game that revolves around the language. In many cases, the plot (i.e. the reason why Chihaya is suckiing) develops off of her inability to hear certain syllables or whatever. You can certainly complain they're going too far, but explaining what the heck they are actually doing since karuta isn't really a game that us foreigners can relate to is pretty important imo. | ||
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