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larjarse if you're going to refer to all of anime as "crap" in a thread where this is explicitly prohibited, at least offer a more compelling reason than categorization completely destroying the creative process. What does complete destruction of the creative process entail? Do you feel categorization inflicts this destruction elsewhere in the arts? Whether yes or no, why? What degree of categorization warrants complete destruction? Even if these questions are answered and a proper argument fielded, it will still be so grounded in subjective judgments and arbitrary lines that it can do little to persuade everyone's final arbiter: preference.
Your references do not speak to depth of genre knowledge. Your anecdote is also too limited in scope to be significant. Your assumption regarding anime's popularity concern lacks a base, let alone workers or soldiers.
Commercialism in the arts is also commonplace in all but the most niche fields, so only the most sheltered would find its existence in anime shocking or painful.
On December 25 2009 05:09 MuffinDude wrote: Hey guys. I just read this on zomganime.
The official Japanese website for the Haruhi Suzumiya anime franchise began streaming a one-minute promotional video for The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya film on Friday, December 18 at 4:23 a.m. Japan Time. (The site “disappears” and deliberately posts a false “The page cannot be found” message in Japanese before the video is streamed.)
On December 25 2009 04:48 larjarse wrote: I also believe anime is only popular still to forfill the audience that has been created by teens obsessed with fantasy and perfection and cant find it in their own lives. Artists see the money in the business, so they continue to make the crap. Ouch, I know
You can say the same for books. Why do children love harry potter so much? Narnia? or any other fantasy world. I think all of us wants to be part of this "fantasy world"
On December 20 2009 17:56 Spazer wrote: OMG NEW TRAILER
I don't know why, but I still trust KyoAni to make this amazing.
The only black spot on KyoAni's record is really Endless Eight. Otherwise, I don't expect them to pull the same thing. It's a movie for God's sake.
Then again, I can kind of see why they needed to do Endless Eight. The first indication from them that they were planning this movie was back in late 2007. If they hadn't planned season 2 before then... What a conflict O_O.
February 6th everyone who can understand Japanese. Mark your calendars
Various comments for the last few pages...
Seitokai might be repetitive, yet that's the nature of the genre. It's hard to have a real fast moving plot with a parody/slice of life show.
DoctorHelvetica: Lol @ the Lucky Star torrent. I did that too before while archiving it.
I agree that SZS is hard to get the jokes if you're not in Japan. Have I mentioned that I have nothing but respect for a.f.k (the 1 man translation team) for doing the freaking hardest animes to translate known to man?
larjarse: You can't group all anime into one category. The series is extremely diverse and doesn't consist of all the cute stuff that kona and company extol. Go watch some darker animes, then you'll see how: "drawing in anime" can't be taken for anything. If you want, I have some pictures here ranging from cute to completely heart crushing. Style doesn't imply meaning.
On December 25 2009 05:23 Ecael wrote: It got posted quite a few pages ago, Disappearance trailer, I believe. The fake 404 has been there for ages, and when you look at the source code there is another little Easter egg + Show Spoiler [novel] +
that it has been coded by Yuki N.
. First time they pulled the act was iirc in 2007 or so where they uploaded some stuff about Disappearance on the 18th.
On December 25 2009 04:00 Ecael wrote: Index anime is, for some reason or another, pretty bad.
It's because Touma can't keep his mouth shut. He TALKS everyone into submission, including the audience, with his incessant whining and speech-giving.
His very first 'fight' with Kanzaki is just him whining and crying for an entire episode until she gets tired of listening to his shit and leaves.
It wouldn't be bad if he made good speeches either, but he doesn't. It's generic "I WANT TO PROTECT EVERYONE, BUT WHY ISN'T LIFE FAIR? LIFE ISN'T FAIR! CAN'T YOU SEE THAT EVIL IS BAD?" speeches over. and over. and over. and over. The harem angle of the show was also hidden extremely poorly, especially by the time Hyouka showed up (cue cheesy flashbacks by Hyouka to the 'good times' she had with Touma and Index...ONE EPISODE AGO).
And that's why Railgun is so much better than Index. Misaka doesn't deliver hour-long speeches to everyone. In fact, Touma is much better in Railgun too, because he's not the star of the show, so he just pops in every now and then to do something awesome and then exits stage left. Much more likable.
Not that Railgun is amazing or anything, but I definitely think it's better than Index.
Seitokai no Ichizon is nothing amazing really. I enjoyed it but can see why people don't like it. It's a well executed show. But never goes above it's genre.
Reggaeton is a puerto rican style of music that has the SAME DRUM BEAT IN EVERY SINGLE SONG, and generally has synth horns and the same elements put together in slightly different variations. However, the drum beat ALWAYS has the same structure. "Du--ChaDu-CHA!"
some reggaeton artists: "Daddy Yankee" "Tito El Bambino" "Hector Bambino"
I don't appreciate anime. I used to like dragonball Z when I was younger, and even gundam wing, but anime is just horrible to me now. When you put something into a catagory before it's creation (IE: Say or think I'm going to draw some anime pictures today) completely destroys the beauty of the creative process.
Not to feed the troll, but this is so ignorant it warrants a laugh. I can only assume this poster is only familiar with a shockingly small range of anime. The last sentence also manages to be a combination of pretentious and utterly wrong.
In other news, I've been watching a ton of anime recently on vacation, and just started Monster. I'm really liking it so far, although I've only seen a few episodes. :D
Also, a Black Lagoon K-on! crossover would be freaking hilarious.
Just finished Kämpfer ep 11. While I was able to enjoy the first 10 eps for what they are (fanservice without any story whatsoever) ep 11 annoyed me to no end. Not even gonna watch ep 12.
Yeah....what makes Anime addictive? A bit new to the thread, but my girlfriend absolutely adores Anime, much like everyone else at my school. I've watched a couple of animes she's shown me, and I've read some of that Manga stuff, but I don't even know why it's appealing in the first place. It makes my girlfriend sort of sad because I don't like it, but it just makes me more confused.
To tell you the truth, the only good Anime that I've ever watched would be Spirited Away, and that was because it had such an amazing plot and story behind it that I just had to rank it among one of my favorite animated movies of all time.
But here comes the problem then. Animes that I see seem to be laid with a lot of things like filler and unimportant repetitive notions that just drive me up a wall. It's really frustrating to be in the middle of a series and then have like....3 episodes of nothing but shenanigans happen when the series isn't about shenanigans.
And then comes to the part where I don't see any logical progression or thought-provoking scenes in Anime because themes are really repetitive and characters just seem to be archetypes or one-dimensional. I'm not saying it's as bad as Twilight, because Spirited Away had some really dynamic characters, but it seems to me that a lot of Anime seems to have this trait...which generally turns me off to it.
^ Granted, I never watched EVERY Anime, but from what I have watched and from what I've heard about certain Animes, it only makes it more apparent to me.
So my only question would be, what are some REALLY good Animes and what's the difference between just watching some live action stuff as opposed to watching Anime?
If you had something that was touching and heartwarming and thought provoking (thought provoking being the most important one), that'd sort of be the genre I'd go for.
Granted....Anime girls are pretty cute....but I wouldn't put that as the reason why I'd watch Anime.
I really got turned off to Anime because of fangirls and the ones that I initially watched, but I'd really be open to any Anime that would be on par with something like Spirited Away (I'm actually sort of hoping to see it again right now....so I think I will)
EDIT: And my 100th post is used on an Anime thread on the TL forums....*sigh*
On December 25 2009 06:37 Zergneedsfood wrote: Yeah....what makes Anime addictive? A bit new to the thread, but my girlfriend absolutely adores Anime, much like everyone else at my school. I've watched a couple of animes she's shown me, and I've read some of that Manga stuff, but I don't even know why it's appealing in the first place. It makes my girlfriend sort of sad because I don't like it, but it just makes me more confused.
To tell you the truth, the only good Anime that I've ever watched would be Spirited Away, and that was because it had such an amazing plot and story behind it that I just had to rank it among one of my favorite animated movies of all time.
But here comes the problem then. Animes that I see seem to be laid with a lot of things like filler and unimportant repetitive notions that just drive me up a wall. It's really frustrating to be in the middle of a series and then have like....3 episodes of nothing but shenanigans happen when the series isn't about shenanigans.
And then comes to the part where I don't see any logical progression or thought-provoking scenes in Anime because themes are really repetitive and characters just seem to be archetypes or one-dimensional. I'm not saying it's as bad as Twilight, because Spirited Away had some really dynamic characters, but it seems to me that a lot of Anime seems to have this trait...which generally turns me off to it.
^ Granted, I never watched EVERY Anime, but from what I have watched and from what I've heard about certain Animes, it only makes it more apparent to me.
So my only question would be, what are some REALLY good Animes and what's the difference between just watching some live action stuff as opposed to watching Anime?
If you had something that was touching and heartwarming and thought provoking (thought provoking being the most important one), that'd sort of be the genre I'd go for.
Granted....Anime girls are pretty cute....but I wouldn't put that as the reason why I'd watch Anime.
I really got turned off to Anime because of fangirls and the ones that I initially watched, but I'd really be open to any Anime that would be on par with something like Spirited Away (I'm actually sort of hoping to see it again right now....so I think I will)
EDIT: And my 100th post is used on an Anime thread on the TL forums....*sigh*
To quote me from earlier:
Mystlord from earlier: You can't group all anime into one category. The series is extremely diverse and doesn't consist of all the cute stuff that kona and company extol. Go watch some darker animes, then you'll see how: "drawing in anime" can't be taken for anything. If you want, I have some pictures here ranging from cute to completely heart crushing. Style doesn't imply meaning.
Simply put, there are multiple types of anime. From the cute girls/loli complex people, to the "this is so tragic I'm going to die" people.
Once you see an image of a darker anime, there's no going back to the light side. Good anime can break the frozen sea within us. Example from Episode 1 of Haibane Renmei:
Oh what the shit what is this?! This is not what I subscribed to... CANNOT UNSEE!
BTW that is the same girl.
Edit: I realized I didn't really answer your question. Depending on the series, it's attractive because it's thought provoking, because it's funny, or because you just like to watch fighting or people getting killed. It's hard to find an anime that doesn't resonate with you.
On December 25 2009 04:00 Ecael wrote: Index anime is, for some reason or another, pretty bad.
It's because Touma can't keep his mouth shut. He TALKS everyone into submission, including the audience, with his incessant whining and speech-giving.
His very first 'fight' with Kanzaki is just him whining and crying for an entire episode until she gets tired of listening to his shit and leaves.
It wouldn't be bad if he made good speeches either, but he doesn't. It's generic "I WANT TO PROTECT EVERYONE, BUT WHY ISN'T LIFE FAIR? LIFE ISN'T FAIR! CAN'T YOU SEE THAT EVIL IS BAD?" speeches over. and over. and over. and over. The harem angle of the show was also hidden extremely poorly, especially by the time Hyouka showed up (cue cheesy flashbacks by Hyouka to the 'good times' she had with Touma and Index...ONE EPISODE AGO).
And that's why Railgun is so much better than Index. Misaka doesn't deliver hour-long speeches to everyone. In fact, Touma is much better in Railgun too, because he's not the star of the show, so he just pops in every now and then to do something awesome and then exits stage left. Much more likable.
Not that Railgun is amazing or anything, but I definitely think it's better than Index.
Well, like I said, that's because JC Staff thinks it makes sense to cut half of the stuff from the novels and pack all the talking into the rest.
Tis pretty funny actually, because Touma's speeches aren't like that, especially since he never claims to be a hero. He simply moves for his own reasons, those largely coincide with what you would call a hero, but doesn't always overlap. If the show has a failing (and it has plenty), it is partly due to that you don't quite get that feeling in the show, In fact, Misaka acts much closer to the issues with speeches that you have...about the only thing that saves her is that mangas suck for monologues, therefore she gets no monologues.
About Harem though, I'd like to bring up an issue I brought up a few pages ago. What qualifies something as Harem? I mean, Index definitely has that feel, until we realize that even though there are a bazillion girls fighting over Touma, only at best 3 has a shot. 1 of those has yet to even show up in the anime. Most things I can consider as Harem at least gives other girls a chance, some fan service, something, repeatedly. With Index we have people showing up for one arc and disappearing (poor Himegami). So...what makes it a harem?
On December 25 2009 07:08 Ecael wrote: About Harem though, I'd like to bring up an issue I brought up a few pages ago. What qualifies something as Harem? I mean, Index definitely has that feel, until we realize that even though there are a bazillion girls fighting over Touma, only at best 3 has a shot. 1 of those has yet to even show up in the anime. Most things I can consider as Harem at least gives other girls a chance, some fan service, something, repeatedly. With Index we have people showing up for one arc and disappearing (poor Himegami). So...what makes it a harem?
Umm... That's a good question.
I think it's really tricky to look at a series and say "omg harem". My absolute definition of harem is a series where you see competing love interests over a guy/girl and that is the focus of the series. So yes, Clannad, Kanon, and Air are all harems for me. Fan service and amount of guys/girls over 1 don't play into my definition of harem.
So for instance, Haruhi is not a harem because the focus of the show is not Haruhi/Nagato/Mikuru going at Kyon or Koizumi. Clannad is a harem because you see Nagisa, Kyou, Ryou, Tomoyo, etc all going after Tomoya (sometimes it doesn't come out in the anime, but it came from a visual novel so uhh yeah.) Evangelion is not a harem because although you have this weird Asuka/Rei thing going on, you don't see that as the focus of the show.
That's just for me though. Different people might have different opinions.
On December 25 2009 06:37 Zergneedsfood wrote: Yeah....what makes Anime addictive? A bit new to the thread, but my girlfriend absolutely adores Anime, much like everyone else at my school. I've watched a couple of animes she's shown me, and I've read some of that Manga stuff, but I don't even know why it's appealing in the first place. It makes my girlfriend sort of sad because I don't like it, but it just makes me more confused.
To tell you the truth, the only good Anime that I've ever watched would be Spirited Away, and that was because it had such an amazing plot and story behind it that I just had to rank it among one of my favorite animated movies of all time.
But here comes the problem then. Animes that I see seem to be laid with a lot of things like filler and unimportant repetitive notions that just drive me up a wall. It's really frustrating to be in the middle of a series and then have like....3 episodes of nothing but shenanigans happen when the series isn't about shenanigans.
And then comes to the part where I don't see any logical progression or thought-provoking scenes in Anime because themes are really repetitive and characters just seem to be archetypes or one-dimensional. I'm not saying it's as bad as Twilight, because Spirited Away had some really dynamic characters, but it seems to me that a lot of Anime seems to have this trait...which generally turns me off to it.
^ Granted, I never watched EVERY Anime, but from what I have watched and from what I've heard about certain Animes, it only makes it more apparent to me.
So my only question would be, what are some REALLY good Animes and what's the difference between just watching some live action stuff as opposed to watching Anime?
If you had something that was touching and heartwarming and thought provoking (thought provoking being the most important one), that'd sort of be the genre I'd go for.
Granted....Anime girls are pretty cute....but I wouldn't put that as the reason why I'd watch Anime.
I really got turned off to Anime because of fangirls and the ones that I initially watched, but I'd really be open to any Anime that would be on par with something like Spirited Away (I'm actually sort of hoping to see it again right now....so I think I will)
EDIT: And my 100th post is used on an Anime thread on the TL forums....*sigh*
Spice and Wolf is pretty good for that whimsical but well-written fantasy feeling that some of the ghibli movies have. I started with Death Note. That was the anime that made me realize that there are a lot of interesting and mature/thought-provoking storylines in anime. I'd also suggest Monster, Higurashi No Naku Koro Ni, Ghost In The Shell: Stand Alone Complex, Dennou Coil, and Serial Experiments Lain.
But here comes the problem then. Animes that I see seem to be laid with a lot of things like filler and unimportant repetitive notions that just drive me up a wall. It's really frustrating to be in the middle of a series and then have like....3 episodes of nothing but shenanigans happen when the series isn't about shenanigans.
And then comes to the part where I don't see any logical progression or thought-provoking scenes in Anime because themes are really repetitive and characters just seem to be archetypes or one-dimensional. I'm not saying it's as bad as Twilight, because Spirited Away had some really dynamic characters, but it seems to me that a lot of Anime seems to have this trait...which generally turns me off to it.
It sounds like you're watching mainly shounen. What have you seen?
On December 25 2009 06:37 Zergneedsfood wrote: Yeah....what makes Anime addictive? A bit new to the thread, but my girlfriend absolutely adores Anime, much like everyone else at my school. I've watched a couple of animes she's shown me, and I've read some of that Manga stuff, but I don't even know why it's appealing in the first place. It makes my girlfriend sort of sad because I don't like it, but it just makes me more confused.
To tell you the truth, the only good Anime that I've ever watched would be Spirited Away, and that was because it had such an amazing plot and story behind it that I just had to rank it among one of my favorite animated movies of all time.
But here comes the problem then. Animes that I see seem to be laid with a lot of things like filler and unimportant repetitive notions that just drive me up a wall. It's really frustrating to be in the middle of a series and then have like....3 episodes of nothing but shenanigans happen when the series isn't about shenanigans.
And then comes to the part where I don't see any logical progression or thought-provoking scenes in Anime because themes are really repetitive and characters just seem to be archetypes or one-dimensional. I'm not saying it's as bad as Twilight, because Spirited Away had some really dynamic characters, but it seems to me that a lot of Anime seems to have this trait...which generally turns me off to it.
^ Granted, I never watched EVERY Anime, but from what I have watched and from what I've heard about certain Animes, it only makes it more apparent to me.
So my only question would be, what are some REALLY good Animes and what's the difference between just watching some live action stuff as opposed to watching Anime?
If you had something that was touching and heartwarming and thought provoking (thought provoking being the most important one), that'd sort of be the genre I'd go for.
Granted....Anime girls are pretty cute....but I wouldn't put that as the reason why I'd watch Anime.
I really got turned off to Anime because of fangirls and the ones that I initially watched, but I'd really be open to any Anime that would be on par with something like Spirited Away (I'm actually sort of hoping to see it again right now....so I think I will)
EDIT: And my 100th post is used on an Anime thread on the TL forums....*sigh*
You're watching the wrong anime then. If you watch things like naruto and bleach, the ones with filler episodes, then you're in for tons of useless plot. There are plenty of quality anime, but you have to keep in mind that spirited away is more of a movie than an anime.
On December 25 2009 06:37 Zergneedsfood wrote: Yeah....what makes Anime addictive? A bit new to the thread, but my girlfriend absolutely adores Anime, much like everyone else at my school. I've watched a couple of animes she's shown me, and I've read some of that Manga stuff, but I don't even know why it's appealing in the first place. It makes my girlfriend sort of sad because I don't like it, but it just makes me more confused.
To tell you the truth, the only good Anime that I've ever watched would be Spirited Away, and that was because it had such an amazing plot and story behind it that I just had to rank it among one of my favorite animated movies of all time.
But here comes the problem then. Animes that I see seem to be laid with a lot of things like filler and unimportant repetitive notions that just drive me up a wall. It's really frustrating to be in the middle of a series and then have like....3 episodes of nothing but shenanigans happen when the series isn't about shenanigans.
And then comes to the part where I don't see any logical progression or thought-provoking scenes in Anime because themes are really repetitive and characters just seem to be archetypes or one-dimensional. I'm not saying it's as bad as Twilight, because Spirited Away had some really dynamic characters, but it seems to me that a lot of Anime seems to have this trait...which generally turns me off to it.
^ Granted, I never watched EVERY Anime, but from what I have watched and from what I've heard about certain Animes, it only makes it more apparent to me.
So my only question would be, what are some REALLY good Animes and what's the difference between just watching some live action stuff as opposed to watching Anime?
If you had something that was touching and heartwarming and thought provoking (thought provoking being the most important one), that'd sort of be the genre I'd go for.
Granted....Anime girls are pretty cute....but I wouldn't put that as the reason why I'd watch Anime.
I really got turned off to Anime because of fangirls and the ones that I initially watched, but I'd really be open to any Anime that would be on par with something like Spirited Away (I'm actually sort of hoping to see it again right now....so I think I will)
EDIT: And my 100th post is used on an Anime thread on the TL forums....*sigh*
Well like the others have said before, do not categorize all of anime into one genre. If you don't like fillers, try and avoid animes like bleach, naruto, and one piece. In general, don't watch animes with more than 100 episodes in one season, because that is most likely filled with fillers.
If you want thought provoking animes, I would suggest you try Code Geass, Death Note, and Gundam 00. There are lots of other thought provoking animes but those are the ones that stand out the most I think.
On December 26 2009 05:08 Nemesis wrote: If you want thought provoking animes, I would suggest you try Code Geass, Death Note, and Gundam 00. There are lots of other thought provoking animes but those are the ones that stand out the most I think.
Thought provoking? Try Evangelion, Lain, and Boogiepop. What I call the 2000 and before triumvirate of psychological animes.
On December 26 2009 07:06 aers wrote: The final episode of DTB2 is basically + Show Spoiler +
"lets pretend this season never happened, and please watch season 3 when we get around to it!"
:/
Well a few substantial things did happen...except, meh. + Show Spoiler +
Honestly I can't figure out what Yin is now, she seems to have separated from Izanami, Hei seems to have his powers back, so yeah. Essentially this season never happened except to set Misaki in a new role.
I almost feel sorry for her, just gets dumped every time.