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On September 16 2013 11:53 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 11:24 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 11:15 DODswe4 wrote:On September 16 2013 11:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 05:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 13 2013 04:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 13 2013 04:22 Lysteria wrote:
Moria's sidekicks were more interesting than him.
But his fruit was awesome, good thing he was too much of a retard to use it properly.
Exactly like the character that shall not be named. who is this character that has an awesome fruit but still sucked? i can only think of moria You could argue that Buggy or even Blueno don't use their fruits to their full potential, but the worst offender is obviously Foxy. how is Foxy the worst offender? the only reason he was even an opponent Luffy didnt one shot 3 seconds into the fight was because of hius creative use of his fruit its not about strenght but about if they are using their fruit to a good extent, and Foxy does not use it very well at all are we talking about the same Foxy? the dude from the wierd crown island thing where they had that wierd contest thing? its been a while since i read it but how is he supposed to use his fruit better? Noro noro beam opponent + slit throat = GG killshot Noro noro beam opponent + kairoseki handcuffs = captured DF user Unless there's some haki way to resist noro noro beams, the fruit truly was overpowered. I wonder if he'll come back someday. Foxy felt like such a filler arc character. I started off watching the anime and then went back and read the manga and was very surprised when Foxy actually showed up in the manga. He's definitely one that underused his fruit, partially due to his own physical weakness. There are many others that really barely scratched the surface of their fruit or completely underutilized it during the fight vs the Strawhats. Many characters could come back and be significantly more powerful if they trained as hard.
Foxy was alone on the ship and didnt have seastone cuffs
imo he cant just slit the throat and even if he did hit them with a sword/knife it couldnt cut them while there frozen and afterwards theyd only feel the sensation of getting hit with the sword but wouldnt actually cut them jsut feel like they did
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I also think the pika pika fruit is puposefully and severely underpowered by Oda for convenient reasons.
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On September 16 2013 12:48 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 11:53 RenSC2 wrote:On September 16 2013 11:24 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 11:15 DODswe4 wrote:On September 16 2013 11:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 05:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 13 2013 04:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 13 2013 04:22 Lysteria wrote:
Moria's sidekicks were more interesting than him.
But his fruit was awesome, good thing he was too much of a retard to use it properly.
Exactly like the character that shall not be named. who is this character that has an awesome fruit but still sucked? i can only think of moria You could argue that Buggy or even Blueno don't use their fruits to their full potential, but the worst offender is obviously Foxy. how is Foxy the worst offender? the only reason he was even an opponent Luffy didnt one shot 3 seconds into the fight was because of hius creative use of his fruit its not about strenght but about if they are using their fruit to a good extent, and Foxy does not use it very well at all are we talking about the same Foxy? the dude from the wierd crown island thing where they had that wierd contest thing? its been a while since i read it but how is he supposed to use his fruit better? Noro noro beam opponent + slit throat = GG killshot Noro noro beam opponent + kairoseki handcuffs = captured DF user Unless there's some haki way to resist noro noro beams, the fruit truly was overpowered. I wonder if he'll come back someday. Foxy felt like such a filler arc character. I started off watching the anime and then went back and read the manga and was very surprised when Foxy actually showed up in the manga. He's definitely one that underused his fruit, partially due to his own physical weakness. There are many others that really barely scratched the surface of their fruit or completely underutilized it during the fight vs the Strawhats. Many characters could come back and be significantly more powerful if they trained as hard. Foxy was alone on the ship and didnt have seastone cuffs imo he cant just slit the throat and even if he did hit them with a sword/knife it couldnt cut them while there frozen and afterwards theyd only feel the sensation of getting hit with the sword but wouldnt actually cut them jsut feel like they did
Not having seastone cuffs on the ship is exactly what people are talking about when they say that Foxy didn't use his ability to his full potential. He should have planned it out ahead of time and had cuffs ready.
We don't know what exactly would happen if he tried to cut somebody while they were slowed because it doesn't show what happens, but I would guess that they would get cut like people usually do by swords. The punches still were punches, just the reaction time to them was slowed, it doesn't make them change from punches to the feeling of punches.
Foxy needs to hit somebody with his beam for it to be super effective and has little fighting power outside of his beam.
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On September 16 2013 13:15 RebelSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 12:48 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 11:53 RenSC2 wrote:On September 16 2013 11:24 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 11:15 DODswe4 wrote:On September 16 2013 11:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 05:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 13 2013 04:28 evilfatsh1t wrote:On September 13 2013 04:22 Lysteria wrote:
Moria's sidekicks were more interesting than him.
But his fruit was awesome, good thing he was too much of a retard to use it properly.
Exactly like the character that shall not be named. who is this character that has an awesome fruit but still sucked? i can only think of moria You could argue that Buggy or even Blueno don't use their fruits to their full potential, but the worst offender is obviously Foxy. how is Foxy the worst offender? the only reason he was even an opponent Luffy didnt one shot 3 seconds into the fight was because of hius creative use of his fruit its not about strenght but about if they are using their fruit to a good extent, and Foxy does not use it very well at all are we talking about the same Foxy? the dude from the wierd crown island thing where they had that wierd contest thing? its been a while since i read it but how is he supposed to use his fruit better? Noro noro beam opponent + slit throat = GG killshot Noro noro beam opponent + kairoseki handcuffs = captured DF user Unless there's some haki way to resist noro noro beams, the fruit truly was overpowered. I wonder if he'll come back someday. Foxy felt like such a filler arc character. I started off watching the anime and then went back and read the manga and was very surprised when Foxy actually showed up in the manga. He's definitely one that underused his fruit, partially due to his own physical weakness. There are many others that really barely scratched the surface of their fruit or completely underutilized it during the fight vs the Strawhats. Many characters could come back and be significantly more powerful if they trained as hard. Foxy was alone on the ship and didnt have seastone cuffs imo he cant just slit the throat and even if he did hit them with a sword/knife it couldnt cut them while there frozen and afterwards theyd only feel the sensation of getting hit with the sword but wouldnt actually cut them jsut feel like they did Not having seastone cuffs on the ship is exactly what people are talking about when they say that Foxy didn't use his ability to his full potential. He should have planned it out ahead of time and had cuffs ready. We don't know what exactly would happen if he tried to cut somebody while they were slowed because it doesn't show what happens, but I would guess that they would get cut like people usually do by swords. The punches still were punches, just the reaction time to them was slowed, it doesn't make them change from punches to the feeling of punches. Foxy needs to hit somebody with his beam for it to be super effective and has little fighting power outside of his beam.
for the first bit seastone isnt something just anyone can get a hold of
for the second bit who knows? no way to know really
for the last bit not everyone can be a god of martial arts
all in all id say he used his fruit very well, obviously someone like whitebeard or other such god of martial art would have been able to get a hit in and use the time but if were just talking about using the power of the fruit to its max potential hes got that covered
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Now, could someone explain to me what Blackbeards Yami Yami no Mi is actually good for, now that we have Arnament Haki? other than grabbing people? Unless it IS what allows him to absorb DFs from corpses, it practicly does nothing that you cannot already achieve with strong arnament haki. In fact, it even has the weakness of making him absorb more damage.
Id say Marco probably has the strongest Devil Fruit seen so far. Its the only one that actually makes you borderline invincible, since his flames heal any sort of damage, unlike logia users who cannot regenerate from attacks that actually hit their physical essence. Haki is no threat to him. The only way to kill Marco would be to decapitate him with a killing blow whilest he is strapped to seastone.
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Does anybody else find it interesting that Caribou has the upper hand on Scotch on the cover of the latest chapter? I would be surprised if he wins.
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...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons.
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Didn't we agree last time that "physical essence" is humbug?
And the darkness fruit did 2 things:
It allowed him to spread darkness and absorb things, including people, into it.
On touch it completely nullifies someones DF ability, similar to seastone.
Haki merely allows you to combat Logia users. It doesn't stop them from using their df powers.
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yeah haki hurts luffy, but he doesnt bleed
darkness fruit makes him bleed
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On September 16 2013 23:39 Mataza wrote:
Didn't we agree last time that "physical essence" is humbug?
And the darkness fruit did 2 things:
It allowed him to spread darkness and absorb things, including people, into it.
On touch it completely nullifies someones DF ability, similar to seastone.
Haki merely allows you to combat Logia users. It doesn't stop them from using their df powers.
I meant physical body. Its established that Logia users cannot use their DF powers to regenerate lets say lost limbs, if you cut it off with haki/seastone or they are simply not in their elemental form at the time. Marco can do this though.
What people forget about arnament haki is that its actually (the way Rayleigh explains it to Luffy anyways) mainly a form of "Armor". being able to hit Logia users is a side-effect of the haki warding your body from their element, hence also allowing you to bypass it with your attacks. So the question is, could you use Haki to sheild yourself from the Yami Yami no Mi's DF negating powers?
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On September 16 2013 23:25 sc2holar wrote:
...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons.
have you considered that Croccy took the attack on purpose like he did against Vivi?
Dofla cant jsut decapicate everyone becuase theyd dodge or block it
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On September 17 2013 01:10 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2013 23:25 sc2holar wrote:
...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons. have you considered that Croccy took the attack on purpose like he did against Vivi? Dofla cant jsut decapicate everyone becuase theyd dodge or block it
Why would he take it on purpose? so that the entire world watching the broadcast could see him lose his head? completley different situation than in alabasta. So far we havent seen anyone able to dodge or block Doflas attacks either, because they seem to happen rather instantly out of thin air... his head literary flew off the same second doffy moved his fingers, like, in the same motion.
We dont know how his powers really work. the strings might appear surgically where he chooses to and instantly do what he wants them to.
But i was just using Doflamingos DF as an example of how there are tons of devilfruits in the series that might appear overpowered and therefor underused, because the user has failed to become pirate king yet. Moriah is another example. in THEORY she should be able to defeat anyone by stealing their shadow and wait until they are consumed by sunlight. Or just do it in broad daylight. But Oda has a story and a plot to maintain.
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Crocodile doesn't care, he lets himself being sliced everytime.
Doflamingo is no exception.
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On September 17 2013 01:50 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 23:25 sc2holar wrote:
...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons. have you considered that Croccy took the attack on purpose like he did against Vivi? Dofla cant jsut decapicate everyone becuase theyd dodge or block it Why would he take it on purpose? so that the entire world watching the broadcast could see him lose his head? completley different situation than in alabasta. So far we havent seen anyone able to dodge or block Doflas attacks either, because they seem to happen rather instantly out of thin air... his head literary flew off the same second doffy moved his fingers, like, in the same motion. We dont know how his powers really work. the strings might appear surgically where he chooses to and instantly do what he wants them to. But i was just using Doflamingos DF as an example of how there are tons of devilfruits in the series that might appear overpowered and therefor underused, because the user has failed to become pirate king yet. Moriah is another example. in THEORY she should be able to defeat anyone by stealing their shadow and wait until they are consumed by sunlight. Or just do it in broad daylight. But Oda has a story and a plot to maintain.
well Law is seeming to be doing a very good job of it
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On September 17 2013 02:03 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 01:50 sc2holar wrote:On September 17 2013 01:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 23:25 sc2holar wrote:
...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons. have you considered that Croccy took the attack on purpose like he did against Vivi? Dofla cant jsut decapicate everyone becuase theyd dodge or block it Why would he take it on purpose? so that the entire world watching the broadcast could see him lose his head? completley different situation than in alabasta. So far we havent seen anyone able to dodge or block Doflas attacks either, because they seem to happen rather instantly out of thin air... his head literary flew off the same second doffy moved his fingers, like, in the same motion. We dont know how his powers really work. the strings might appear surgically where he chooses to and instantly do what he wants them to. But i was just using Doflamingos DF as an example of how there are tons of devilfruits in the series that might appear overpowered and therefor underused, because the user has failed to become pirate king yet. Moriah is another example. in THEORY she should be able to defeat anyone by stealing their shadow and wait until they are consumed by sunlight. Or just do it in broad daylight. But Oda has a story and a plot to maintain. well Law is seeming to be doing a very good job of it
What are you talking about? he lying helpless bleeding in front of DDs feet, but he is trying to buy time and Doffy stated earlier to vergo that he wanted to take his time with law and make him regret he was ever born. Just like Vergo literary had Laws heart in his hands and was one push away from ending his life but wanted to torture him to his very last moment.
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On September 17 2013 02:02 Lysteria wrote:
Crocodile doesn't care, he lets himself being sliced everytime.
Doflamingo is no exception.
Well that could have been a huge mistake from crocodile in case DD meant business and used haki. Luckily neither seemed really intent on killing the other, those two seem to have a history of grudging friendship.
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On September 17 2013 02:06 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 17 2013 01:50 sc2holar wrote:On September 17 2013 01:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 23:25 sc2holar wrote:
...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons. have you considered that Croccy took the attack on purpose like he did against Vivi? Dofla cant jsut decapicate everyone becuase theyd dodge or block it Why would he take it on purpose? so that the entire world watching the broadcast could see him lose his head? completley different situation than in alabasta. So far we havent seen anyone able to dodge or block Doflas attacks either, because they seem to happen rather instantly out of thin air... his head literary flew off the same second doffy moved his fingers, like, in the same motion. We dont know how his powers really work. the strings might appear surgically where he chooses to and instantly do what he wants them to. But i was just using Doflamingos DF as an example of how there are tons of devilfruits in the series that might appear overpowered and therefor underused, because the user has failed to become pirate king yet. Moriah is another example. in THEORY she should be able to defeat anyone by stealing their shadow and wait until they are consumed by sunlight. Or just do it in broad daylight. But Oda has a story and a plot to maintain. well Law is seeming to be doing a very good job of it What are you talking about? he is bleeding, he is trying to buy time and Doffy stated earlier to vergo that he wanted to take his time with law and make him regret he was ever born. Just like Vergo literary had Laws heart in his hands and was one push away from ending his life.
entirely different scenarios, Dofla isnt taking it easy on Law if he thought he could go straight for the kill move he would before law pulls another trap on him
Dofla thought 3 times on punk Hazard he had everything won (when Vergo and law fought, when Monet was going to amke everything boom and when Buffalo and Baby nabbed Casesor) and eac time it blew up in his face
if hes taking his time in this scenario then hes just dumber then he looks
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On September 17 2013 02:14 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2013 02:06 sc2holar wrote:On September 17 2013 02:03 Forikorder wrote:On September 17 2013 01:50 sc2holar wrote:On September 17 2013 01:10 Forikorder wrote:On September 16 2013 23:25 sc2holar wrote:
...But then again you cant really have a theoretical discussion about devil fruits because a character like Doflamingo could one-shot every single character in the series (again save for Marco) with his instant decapitation thing he did to crocodile during marineford, except imbued with haki. And that obviously cant happen because of plot reasons. have you considered that Croccy took the attack on purpose like he did against Vivi? Dofla cant jsut decapicate everyone becuase theyd dodge or block it Why would he take it on purpose? so that the entire world watching the broadcast could see him lose his head? completley different situation than in alabasta. So far we havent seen anyone able to dodge or block Doflas attacks either, because they seem to happen rather instantly out of thin air... his head literary flew off the same second doffy moved his fingers, like, in the same motion. We dont know how his powers really work. the strings might appear surgically where he chooses to and instantly do what he wants them to. But i was just using Doflamingos DF as an example of how there are tons of devilfruits in the series that might appear overpowered and therefor underused, because the user has failed to become pirate king yet. Moriah is another example. in THEORY she should be able to defeat anyone by stealing their shadow and wait until they are consumed by sunlight. Or just do it in broad daylight. But Oda has a story and a plot to maintain. well Law is seeming to be doing a very good job of it What are you talking about? he is bleeding, he is trying to buy time and Doffy stated earlier to vergo that he wanted to take his time with law and make him regret he was ever born. Just like Vergo literary had Laws heart in his hands and was one push away from ending his life. entirely different scenarios, Dofla isnt taking it easy on Law if he thought he could go straight for the kill move he would before law pulls another trap on him Dofla thought 3 times on punk Hazard he had everything won (when Vergo and law fought, when Monet was going to amke everything boom and when Buffalo and Baby nabbed Casesor) and eac time it blew up in his face if hes taking his time in this scenario then hes just dumber then he looks
Sorry but there is no way you are interpereting this situation right. As far as Doflamingo is concerned he has already won. Law has lost his warlord status while his remains intact. Law is lying on the floor bleeding and Luffy is stuck in a Battle Royale with some of the strongest fighters in the new world, along with the "Suits" in Donquixote Family to overlook and report to him, and the colosseum is sealed of by the CP0 and Marines.
This time Law was in fact the overconfident one who fell for a trap he couldnt possibly foresee. DD has no reason not to be confident and allow himself to punish law for his betrayal. Should law cause any trouble, there is even an admiral present to back him up, remember?
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Forikorder vs sc2holar, it doesn't get better than this.
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On September 17 2013 02:26 GettingIt wrote:
Forikorder vs sc2holar, it doesn't get better than this.
I am honored, but how do you know who i am? im a rookie, my last wanted poster was just above 20million beli
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