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On September 06 2013 07:43 Shinokuki wrote:
Ok.. Can someone please obliterate this guy's post?
I keep up with the manga solely for saying that I read all of the big three and I can draw comparisons. I can give many reasons why not to like OP, most of them dealing with Oda and his retarded logic, stupid story plots, dumbass character designs and his refusal to acknowledge science or understand the concept of numbers.
Can someone just literally destroy this guy's post? I'll post your counter argument.
User was warned for this post
correct me if im wrong but i never saw anyone post something like that....
most manga were born from imagination... so dont equate science and common logic to manga...
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On September 06 2013 21:32 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 07:43 Shinokuki wrote:
Ok.. Can someone please obliterate this guy's post?
I keep up with the manga solely for saying that I read all of the big three and I can draw comparisons. I can give many reasons why not to like OP, most of them dealing with Oda and his retarded logic, stupid story plots, dumbass character designs and his refusal to acknowledge science or understand the concept of numbers.
Can someone just literally destroy this guy's post? I'll post your counter argument.
User was warned for this post correct me if im wrong but i never saw anyone post something like that.... most manga were born from imagination... so dont equate science and common logic to manga...
its from another site. btw what is tog?
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On September 07 2013 06:42 Shinokuki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2013 21:32 riyanme wrote:On September 06 2013 07:43 Shinokuki wrote:
Ok.. Can someone please obliterate this guy's post?
I keep up with the manga solely for saying that I read all of the big three and I can draw comparisons. I can give many reasons why not to like OP, most of them dealing with Oda and his retarded logic, stupid story plots, dumbass character designs and his refusal to acknowledge science or understand the concept of numbers.
Can someone just literally destroy this guy's post? I'll post your counter argument.
User was warned for this post correct me if im wrong but i never saw anyone post something like that.... most manga were born from imagination... so dont equate science and common logic to manga... its from another site. btw what is tog?
Tower of God I'd assume, another manga. From what I've heard (havent read it myself) its pretty good and tells a good story
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You should read ToG  I think any OP fan will enjoy it although is much more painful to follow week to week because it is so goddamn slow and the author has introduced characters no one care about. But "season 1" of ToG is one of the most brilliant piece of comics I have ever read.
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On September 07 2013 08:08 mavignon wrote:You should read ToG I think any OP fan will enjoy it although is much more painful to follow week to week because it is so goddamn slow and the author has introduced characters no one care about. But "season 1" of ToG is one of the most brilliant piece of comics I have ever read.
ive tried but the long pages that take 5 minutes to scroll through and the colour just kills it for me :\ dont understand why the page layout is like that
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On September 06 2013 07:43 Shinokuki wrote:
Ok.. Can someone please obliterate this guy's post?
I keep up with the manga solely for saying that I read all of the big three and I can draw comparisons. I can give many reasons why not to like OP, most of them dealing with Oda and his retarded logic, stupid story plots, dumbass character designs and his refusal to acknowledge science or understand the concept of numbers.
Can someone just literally destroy this guy's post? I'll post your counter argument.
User was warned for this post
Sorry m8y, but those are all opinions. I don't agree with them but then again he probably doesn't agree with me. Trying to change someone's mind on the internet is like shouting at a wall. Also I can see where he's coming from:
-"retarded logic" is probably him referring to the absolute craziness of the OP universe. He probably likes more serious manga or manga that's more grounded in reality. Opinion.
-"stupid story plots" could be anything. Maybe it's the lack of a centralized stories or maybe it's the ADD nature of OP. But it basically comes down to: I don't like the story. Opinion.
-"dumbass character designs" is probably referring to the completely fantastical proportions of OP characters. People can just be 30 feet tall with a tiny head and 3 legs and nobody would care anymore. I actually have a theory on the matter that would explain it (it has to do with the grand line causing genetic and weather anomalies) but his comment is simply "I don't like the art style". Opinion.
-"refusal to acknowledge science" is basically his first point repeated again. Opinion.
There's really nothing to destroy about his post. He doesn't like One Piece and that's fine. Not everything in this world is for everyone.
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The Skypiea arc is full of stupid story plots and ridiculous feats, even compared to such a fantasy setting like One Piece. For example, Knock Up Steam showed the power to send a huge chunk of land straight up into the sky. Even if it does vary dramatically in power, it happens FIVE times a month, and that was 400 years ago. Put that together, and this event would have happened 24,000 times. Oda is trying to tell us that such an event has not happened again where it was powerful enough to rip chunks of land out out of the ground? And what about the fact that Enel jump started his heart back to life after already dying. Or need I remind you about that sky raider or whatever who dealt that "killing blow" on Enel? He used the reject dial, which was so powerful that it is supposed to kill the user as well. Yet that raider used it 3 TIMES throughout the arc, after being shocked by million of volts of lightning no less. The fact that Enel's electricity doesn't conduct through Luffy makes sense, but he should still at least suffer from burns from that high voltage.
Speaking of horrible examples of people surviving things they shouldn't, there are three major examples of this. Luffy vs Lucci and Zoro taking in all of Luffy's pain after Thriller Park are two of these examples, but the one that gets me the most is Luffy's whole ordeal through Impel Down and Marineford. He breaks into Impel Down, taking significant injuries along the way before nearly dying by Magellan. After Ivankov used his hormone treatment on Luffy and he recovers in less than a day, which is unprecedented, Luffy and his group break out of Impel down and make their way over to Marineford. At Marineford, Luffy sustains even MORE life threatening injuries, having to use the hormone treatment a second time. At this point, Ivankov said that this would kill Luffy. He frees Ace after sustaining more injures and as they escape, but Akainu kills Ace and deals a life threatening blow on Luffy. Also, I must point out the sheer retardation of how "Even magma burns fires". He is taken on Law's ship where he performs surgery to save Luffy's life and says that if Luffy moves around, his wounds will open and he will die. What's the first thing he does when he wakes up? Run around screaming and punching rocks. Speaking of Marineford, one essential plot hole would be Whitebeard having Conqueror's Haki, but not using it during the battle. Had he used it, this could have turned out completely different.
Going back to the Luffy and Lucci fight though, one of the most BS things I can't believe Oda actually got away with was Gear Second and Third. He gives no explanation on when Luffy learned how to do this and expects all the readers to just go with it. In fact, I don't even think it's possible for Luffy to learn this on his own. Gear Second requires an actual understanding of how the human body works, and being the dumbass he is, there is no way Luffy could have come up with Gear Second on his own. Oda also doesn't understand the concept of numbers, and by that I mean take a look at the Fishman Island arc, when Luffy and his crew are in Gyoncorde Plaza and Luffy uses his Conqueror's Haki to take out 50,000 people. Look at that panel. Please tell me with a straight face that that is 50,000 people.
All One Piece fans love to say how Oda plans everything out from the beginning, which I highly disagree with. Oda has planned several things ahead of time, but not nearly the amount fans accredit him with. What he does is a trick, he leaves each arc concluded, but not fully done with, usually because of his inability to kill off anyone. This enables him to draw from any previous arcs when the situation is suitable for doing so. He doesn't plan these things out, he just uses a clever trick which I don't mind, but I'm tired of people saying how much of a genius Oda is for planning everything out. And I don't even want to get started on the character designs. Yes, he needs to make characters unique, but please look at the body of Bartholomew Kuma and Gecko Moria and tell me that was a good idea. Also, that Patrick Star head from the recent chapters, as well as Whitebeard just somehow being like 20+ feet tall for no reason. This manga has enjoyable moments, but it is not nearly the master piece so many fans claim it is.
this is the counter arguement to one of the posts in teamliquid which i also posted there... Any counters to this?
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On September 07 2013 14:20 Shinokuki wrote:
The Skypiea arc is full of stupid story plots and ridiculous feats, even compared to such a fantasy setting like One Piece. For example, Knock Up Steam showed the power to send a huge chunk of land straight up into the sky. Even if it does vary dramatically in power, it happens FIVE times a month, and that was 400 years ago. Put that together, and this event would have happened 24,000 times. Oda is trying to tell us that such an event has not happened again where it was powerful enough to rip chunks of land out out of the ground? And what about the fact that Enel jump started his heart back to life after already dying. Or need I remind you about that sky raider or whatever who dealt that "killing blow" on Enel? He used the reject dial, which was so powerful that it is supposed to kill the user as well. Yet that raider used it 3 TIMES throughout the arc, after being shocked by million of volts of lightning no less. The fact that Enel's electricity doesn't conduct through Luffy makes sense, but he should still at least suffer from burns from that high voltage.
Speaking of horrible examples of people surviving things they shouldn't, there are three major examples of this. Luffy vs Lucci and Zoro taking in all of Luffy's pain after Thriller Park are two of these examples, but the one that gets me the most is Luffy's whole ordeal through Impel Down and Marineford. He breaks into Impel Down, taking significant injuries along the way before nearly dying by Magellan. After Ivankov used his hormone treatment on Luffy and he recovers in less than a day, which is unprecedented, Luffy and his group break out of Impel down and make their way over to Marineford. At Marineford, Luffy sustains even MORE life threatening injuries, having to use the hormone treatment a second time. At this point, Ivankov said that this would kill Luffy. He frees Ace after sustaining more injures and as they escape, but Akainu kills Ace and deals a life threatening blow on Luffy. Also, I must point out the sheer retardation of how "Even magma burns fires". He is taken on Law's ship where he performs surgery to save Luffy's life and says that if Luffy moves around, his wounds will open and he will die. What's the first thing he does when he wakes up? Run around screaming and punching rocks. Speaking of Marineford, one essential plot hole would be Whitebeard having Conqueror's Haki, but not using it during the battle. Had he used it, this could have turned out completely different.
Going back to the Luffy and Lucci fight though, one of the most BS things I can't believe Oda actually got away with was Gear Second and Third. He gives no explanation on when Luffy learned how to do this and expects all the readers to just go with it. In fact, I don't even think it's possible for Luffy to learn this on his own. Gear Second requires an actual understanding of how the human body works, and being the dumbass he is, there is no way Luffy could have come up with Gear Second on his own. Oda also doesn't understand the concept of numbers, and by that I mean take a look at the Fishman Island arc, when Luffy and his crew are in Gyoncorde Plaza and Luffy uses his Conqueror's Haki to take out 50,000 people. Look at that panel. Please tell me with a straight face that that is 50,000 people.
All One Piece fans love to say how Oda plans everything out from the beginning, which I highly disagree with. Oda has planned several things ahead of time, but not nearly the amount fans accredit him with. What he does is a trick, he leaves each arc concluded, but not fully done with, usually because of his inability to kill off anyone. This enables him to draw from any previous arcs when the situation is suitable for doing so. He doesn't plan these things out, he just uses a clever trick which I don't mind, but I'm tired of people saying how much of a genius Oda is for planning everything out. And I don't even want to get started on the character designs. Yes, he needs to make characters unique, but please look at the body of Bartholomew Kuma and Gecko Moria and tell me that was a good idea. Also, that Patrick Star head from the recent chapters, as well as Whitebeard just somehow being like 20+ feet tall for no reason. This manga has enjoyable moments, but it is not nearly the master piece so many fans claim it is.
this is the counter arguement to one of the posts in teamliquid which i also posted there... Any counters to this?
you need to learn what an opinion is this guy is expressing his
if you like you can simply link where this conversation is happening and people can take part as they wish
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On September 07 2013 14:25 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 14:20 Shinokuki wrote:
The Skypiea arc is full of stupid story plots and ridiculous feats, even compared to such a fantasy setting like One Piece. For example, Knock Up Steam showed the power to send a huge chunk of land straight up into the sky. Even if it does vary dramatically in power, it happens FIVE times a month, and that was 400 years ago. Put that together, and this event would have happened 24,000 times. Oda is trying to tell us that such an event has not happened again where it was powerful enough to rip chunks of land out out of the ground? And what about the fact that Enel jump started his heart back to life after already dying. Or need I remind you about that sky raider or whatever who dealt that "killing blow" on Enel? He used the reject dial, which was so powerful that it is supposed to kill the user as well. Yet that raider used it 3 TIMES throughout the arc, after being shocked by million of volts of lightning no less. The fact that Enel's electricity doesn't conduct through Luffy makes sense, but he should still at least suffer from burns from that high voltage.
Speaking of horrible examples of people surviving things they shouldn't, there are three major examples of this. Luffy vs Lucci and Zoro taking in all of Luffy's pain after Thriller Park are two of these examples, but the one that gets me the most is Luffy's whole ordeal through Impel Down and Marineford. He breaks into Impel Down, taking significant injuries along the way before nearly dying by Magellan. After Ivankov used his hormone treatment on Luffy and he recovers in less than a day, which is unprecedented, Luffy and his group break out of Impel down and make their way over to Marineford. At Marineford, Luffy sustains even MORE life threatening injuries, having to use the hormone treatment a second time. At this point, Ivankov said that this would kill Luffy. He frees Ace after sustaining more injures and as they escape, but Akainu kills Ace and deals a life threatening blow on Luffy. Also, I must point out the sheer retardation of how "Even magma burns fires". He is taken on Law's ship where he performs surgery to save Luffy's life and says that if Luffy moves around, his wounds will open and he will die. What's the first thing he does when he wakes up? Run around screaming and punching rocks. Speaking of Marineford, one essential plot hole would be Whitebeard having Conqueror's Haki, but not using it during the battle. Had he used it, this could have turned out completely different.
Going back to the Luffy and Lucci fight though, one of the most BS things I can't believe Oda actually got away with was Gear Second and Third. He gives no explanation on when Luffy learned how to do this and expects all the readers to just go with it. In fact, I don't even think it's possible for Luffy to learn this on his own. Gear Second requires an actual understanding of how the human body works, and being the dumbass he is, there is no way Luffy could have come up with Gear Second on his own. Oda also doesn't understand the concept of numbers, and by that I mean take a look at the Fishman Island arc, when Luffy and his crew are in Gyoncorde Plaza and Luffy uses his Conqueror's Haki to take out 50,000 people. Look at that panel. Please tell me with a straight face that that is 50,000 people.
All One Piece fans love to say how Oda plans everything out from the beginning, which I highly disagree with. Oda has planned several things ahead of time, but not nearly the amount fans accredit him with. What he does is a trick, he leaves each arc concluded, but not fully done with, usually because of his inability to kill off anyone. This enables him to draw from any previous arcs when the situation is suitable for doing so. He doesn't plan these things out, he just uses a clever trick which I don't mind, but I'm tired of people saying how much of a genius Oda is for planning everything out. And I don't even want to get started on the character designs. Yes, he needs to make characters unique, but please look at the body of Bartholomew Kuma and Gecko Moria and tell me that was a good idea. Also, that Patrick Star head from the recent chapters, as well as Whitebeard just somehow being like 20+ feet tall for no reason. This manga has enjoyable moments, but it is not nearly the master piece so many fans claim it is.
this is the counter arguement to one of the posts in teamliquid which i also posted there... Any counters to this? you need to learn what an opinion is this guy is expressing his if you like you can simply link where this conversation is happening and people can take part as they wish
Agreed. He was alrdy warned once.
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my problem with comments about the complexity of ToG universe compared to OP is that the vast majority of information about ToG is explained outside the comic's story. It's a very interesting and complex world, sure, but there is far more merit in being able to convey that information strictly through the comic the way OP does (or at least, 99% of it is) without being an infodump half the time. That said, I do enjoy ToG a lot.
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On September 07 2013 14:25 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2013 14:20 Shinokuki wrote:
The Skypiea arc is full of stupid story plots and ridiculous feats, even compared to such a fantasy setting like One Piece. For example, Knock Up Steam showed the power to send a huge chunk of land straight up into the sky. Even if it does vary dramatically in power, it happens FIVE times a month, and that was 400 years ago. Put that together, and this event would have happened 24,000 times. Oda is trying to tell us that such an event has not happened again where it was powerful enough to rip chunks of land out out of the ground? And what about the fact that Enel jump started his heart back to life after already dying. Or need I remind you about that sky raider or whatever who dealt that "killing blow" on Enel? He used the reject dial, which was so powerful that it is supposed to kill the user as well. Yet that raider used it 3 TIMES throughout the arc, after being shocked by million of volts of lightning no less. The fact that Enel's electricity doesn't conduct through Luffy makes sense, but he should still at least suffer from burns from that high voltage.
Speaking of horrible examples of people surviving things they shouldn't, there are three major examples of this. Luffy vs Lucci and Zoro taking in all of Luffy's pain after Thriller Park are two of these examples, but the one that gets me the most is Luffy's whole ordeal through Impel Down and Marineford. He breaks into Impel Down, taking significant injuries along the way before nearly dying by Magellan. After Ivankov used his hormone treatment on Luffy and he recovers in less than a day, which is unprecedented, Luffy and his group break out of Impel down and make their way over to Marineford. At Marineford, Luffy sustains even MORE life threatening injuries, having to use the hormone treatment a second time. At this point, Ivankov said that this would kill Luffy. He frees Ace after sustaining more injures and as they escape, but Akainu kills Ace and deals a life threatening blow on Luffy. Also, I must point out the sheer retardation of how "Even magma burns fires". He is taken on Law's ship where he performs surgery to save Luffy's life and says that if Luffy moves around, his wounds will open and he will die. What's the first thing he does when he wakes up? Run around screaming and punching rocks. Speaking of Marineford, one essential plot hole would be Whitebeard having Conqueror's Haki, but not using it during the battle. Had he used it, this could have turned out completely different.
Going back to the Luffy and Lucci fight though, one of the most BS things I can't believe Oda actually got away with was Gear Second and Third. He gives no explanation on when Luffy learned how to do this and expects all the readers to just go with it. In fact, I don't even think it's possible for Luffy to learn this on his own. Gear Second requires an actual understanding of how the human body works, and being the dumbass he is, there is no way Luffy could have come up with Gear Second on his own. Oda also doesn't understand the concept of numbers, and by that I mean take a look at the Fishman Island arc, when Luffy and his crew are in Gyoncorde Plaza and Luffy uses his Conqueror's Haki to take out 50,000 people. Look at that panel. Please tell me with a straight face that that is 50,000 people.
All One Piece fans love to say how Oda plans everything out from the beginning, which I highly disagree with. Oda has planned several things ahead of time, but not nearly the amount fans accredit him with. What he does is a trick, he leaves each arc concluded, but not fully done with, usually because of his inability to kill off anyone. This enables him to draw from any previous arcs when the situation is suitable for doing so. He doesn't plan these things out, he just uses a clever trick which I don't mind, but I'm tired of people saying how much of a genius Oda is for planning everything out. And I don't even want to get started on the character designs. Yes, he needs to make characters unique, but please look at the body of Bartholomew Kuma and Gecko Moria and tell me that was a good idea. Also, that Patrick Star head from the recent chapters, as well as Whitebeard just somehow being like 20+ feet tall for no reason. This manga has enjoyable moments, but it is not nearly the master piece so many fans claim it is.
this is the counter arguement to one of the posts in teamliquid which i also posted there... Any counters to this? you need to learn what an opinion is this guy is expressing his if you like you can simply link where this conversation is happening and people can take part as they wish
English is not my 1st language. I really won't be able to express my opinions that well. It will random scribble lol
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everything inside oda's manga is canon
in ToG, everything in the manga PLUS the author's notes are canon
I agree, giving out info about the universe of your story through storytelling techniques are better IMO than notes
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On September 07 2013 15:22 b3n3tt3 wrote:
everything inside oda's manga is canon
in ToG, everything in the manga PLUS the author's notes are canon
I agree, giving out info about the universe of your story through storytelling techniques are better IMO than notes
To be fair Oda does make databooks that give details about the world of OP and it's considered canon as well. That being said the information is all supplementary or just explains some things in a bit more detail.
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This is a One Piece thread.
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On September 07 2013 14:20 Shinokuki wrote:
Speaking of horrible examples of people surviving things they shouldn't, there are three major examples of this. Luffy vs Lucci and Zoro taking in all of Luffy's pain after Thriller Park are two of these examples, but the one that gets me the most is Luffy's whole ordeal through Impel Down and Marineford. He breaks into Impel Down, taking significant injuries along the way before nearly dying by Magellan. After Ivankov used his hormone treatment on Luffy and he recovers in less than a day, which is unprecedented, Luffy and his group break out of Impel down and make their way over to Marineford. At Marineford, Luffy sustains even MORE life threatening injuries, having to use the hormone treatment a second time. At this point, Ivankov said that this would kill Luffy. He frees Ace after sustaining more injures and as they escape, but Akainu kills Ace and deals a life threatening blow on Luffy. Also, I must point out the sheer retardation of how "Even magma burns fires". He is taken on Law's ship where he performs surgery to save Luffy's life and says that if Luffy moves around, his wounds will open and he will die. What's the first thing he does when he wakes up? Run around screaming and punching rocks. Speaking of Marineford, one essential plot hole would be Whitebeard having Conqueror's Haki, but not using it during the battle. Had he used it, this could have turned out completely different.
Going back to the Luffy and Lucci fight though, one of the most BS things I can't believe Oda actually got away with was Gear Second and Third. He gives no explanation on when Luffy learned how to do this and expects all the readers to just go with it. In fact, I don't even think it's possible for Luffy to learn this on his own. Gear Second requires an actual understanding of how the human body works, and being the dumbass he is, there is no way Luffy could have come up with Gear Second on his own. Oda also doesn't understand the concept of numbers, and by that I mean take a look at the Fishman Island arc, when Luffy and his crew are in Gyoncorde Plaza and Luffy uses his Conqueror's Haki to take out 50,000 people. Look at that panel. Please tell me with a straight face that that is 50,000 people.
-Zoro survived luffy´s pain, because he is physically stronger then Luffy, I think this was often stated by Oda.
-I guess with Ivan Oda wants to show the power of medicine and hormones?
He didn´t died from the hormones at MF because of the Will of the D?^^
-Magma burns fire because: red fire normally is around 700-1200°C and Magma can go up to +1500, where the fire´s color turns already more into white. (Stupid I know)
-Wouldn´t you scream when your best friend dies? Luffy´s depressive phase after Ace´s death had a good physiology background. Something like first he didn´t want to except that he was dead, then he was angry about himself, then he was sad and finally he remembered want he still had left on the planet. His friends and nakamas.
-Why Whitebeard did nearly nothing at MF is a mystery. He definitely didn´t lived up to his name "Strongest man in the world"
-He learned G2 and G3 after he got defeated by Aokiji, he was scared of the his powers so he motivated himself on learning new abilities. Maybe I´m wrong but I kind of remember Luffy saying something like he noticed he is faster with a higher blood pressure and now has to find a way to increase his blood pressure at his on will. (Could be a filler flash back). G3 is random ^10
-You really expect the drawers to paint f***** 50k people??
You are welcome
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yeah the biggest fail in one piece history is whitebeard doing jack shit at marineford
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On September 07 2013 14:20 Shinokuki wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
The Skypiea arc is full of stupid story plots and ridiculous feats, even compared to such a fantasy setting like One Piece. For example, Knock Up Steam showed the power to send a huge chunk of land straight up into the sky. Even if it does vary dramatically in power, it happens FIVE times a month, and that was 400 years ago. Put that together, and this event would have happened 24,000 times. Oda is trying to tell us that such an event has not happened again where it was powerful enough to rip chunks of land out out of the ground? And what about the fact that Enel jump started his heart back to life after already dying. Or need I remind you about that sky raider or whatever who dealt that "killing blow" on Enel? He used the reject dial, which was so powerful that it is supposed to kill the user as well. Yet that raider used it 3 TIMES throughout the arc, after being shocked by million of volts of lightning no less. The fact that Enel's electricity doesn't conduct through Luffy makes sense, but he should still at least suffer from burns from that high voltage.
Speaking of horrible examples of people surviving things they shouldn't, there are three major examples of this. Luffy vs Lucci and Zoro taking in all of Luffy's pain after Thriller Park are two of these examples, but the one that gets me the most is Luffy's whole ordeal through Impel Down and Marineford. He breaks into Impel Down, taking significant injuries along the way before nearly dying by Magellan. After Ivankov used his hormone treatment on Luffy and he recovers in less than a day, which is unprecedented, Luffy and his group break out of Impel down and make their way over to Marineford. At Marineford, Luffy sustains even MORE life threatening injuries, having to use the hormone treatment a second time. At this point, Ivankov said that this would kill Luffy. He frees Ace after sustaining more injures and as they escape, but Akainu kills Ace and deals a life threatening blow on Luffy. Also, I must point out the sheer retardation of how "Even magma burns fires". He is taken on Law's ship where he performs surgery to save Luffy's life and says that if Luffy moves around, his wounds will open and he will die. What's the first thing he does when he wakes up? Run around screaming and punching rocks. Speaking of Marineford, one essential plot hole would be Whitebeard having Conqueror's Haki, but not using it during the battle. Had he used it, this could have turned out completely different.
Going back to the Luffy and Lucci fight though, one of the most BS things I can't believe Oda actually got away with was Gear Second and Third. He gives no explanation on when Luffy learned how to do this and expects all the readers to just go with it. In fact, I don't even think it's possible for Luffy to learn this on his own. Gear Second requires an actual understanding of how the human body works, and being the dumbass he is, there is no way Luffy could have come up with Gear Second on his own. Oda also doesn't understand the concept of numbers, and by that I mean take a look at the Fishman Island arc, when Luffy and his crew are in Gyoncorde Plaza and Luffy uses his Conqueror's Haki to take out 50,000 people. Look at that panel. Please tell me with a straight face that that is 50,000 people.
All One Piece fans love to say how Oda plans everything out from the beginning, which I highly disagree with. Oda has planned several things ahead of time, but not nearly the amount fans accredit him with. What he does is a trick, he leaves each arc concluded, but not fully done with, usually because of his inability to kill off anyone. This enables him to draw from any previous arcs when the situation is suitable for doing so. He doesn't plan these things out, he just uses a clever trick which I don't mind, but I'm tired of people saying how much of a genius Oda is for planning everything out. And I don't even want to get started on the character designs. Yes, he needs to make characters unique, but please look at the body of Bartholomew Kuma and Gecko Moria and tell me that was a good idea. Also, that Patrick Star head from the recent chapters, as well as Whitebeard just somehow being like 20+ feet tall for no reason. This manga has enjoyable moments, but it is not nearly the master piece so many fans claim it is.
this is the counter arguement to one of the posts in teamliquid which i also posted there... Any counters to this?
Knock up stream - 1) Most of the world of One Piece is water. 2) The forces that cause the stream may only exist in the ocean and only in extremely rare cases interact with land. 3)Who says that it hasn't blasted more land into the sky? There are many sky islands.
Enel reviving - It takes awhile for the brain to completely die after the heart stops, so he was still able to use his electricity powers after his heart stopped to restart his heart (should have placed Kairoseki on his body until he went brain dead).
Wiper living - Was the strongest of his tribe and extremely determined (determination gives strength in One Piece universe). So he was able to survive the reject dial three times, even though it would kill a normal man just by using once. Also, regular people do survive lightning strikes. Wiper is an extraordinarily strong person.
Luffy/Zoro surviving - That's one of the themes of One Piece. Luffy's determination (and maybe genetics or his fruit) lets him survive things that would kill even extraordinary people. Everyone thinks he's going to die, but he's shown to be more resilient time after time.
Whitebeard - Not sure why he didn't use his conqueror's haki. It's possible that he lost it in his old age. Or that he had attained everything he wanted and conqueror's haki is reserved for those with a special amount of determination.
Gear 2/3 - For Gear 2, Luffy was defeated by Aokiji and realized that he needed a way to heat his body in order to defeat Aokiji. That turned into gear 2, which had other benefits. For gear 3, Luffy was impressed by the strength of giants from Little Garden and eventually figured out a way to mimic them. If you pay close attention to the story, Luffy is a lot smarter (in certain ways) than you give him credit for due to his naïve personality. He almost instantly knows who is a good guy or a bad guy in every situation even when they don't always act like it.
50k people - Okay, so Oda didn't make 50k dots in the picture. I'm not going to hate on a manga for that.
Planning - I'll have to disagree. Maybe we give Oda too much credit, but clearly a ton of this stuff is planned. Read the cover stories that hint towards the future. Caime was introduced in chapter 195 of the manga, but first met the Strawhats in chapter 490. That's almost 300 chapters between character introduction and usage. Do you think the prophecy of Luffy destroying Fishman Island is false? I don't. He'll have his reason eventually. And the residents will have their Noah's Ark to travel in when the time comes. It's all set up. Or we could talk about Blackbeard being set up since Drum Island where quite clearly there was going to be a conflict between BB and Ace. We just didn't know exactly how it would turn out, but I have to believe Oda knew from the beginning that he was going to make BB a Yonko and one of the main villains, so I'm guessing Oda knew that BB would beat Ace, turn him in to the world government, use his status to break into prison and recruit a force capable of making him a yonko, and that he would deliver the killing blow to Whitebeard when he went to save Ace from execution. Do you not believe that was all planned? What elements in the story aren't planned?
Art style - Whitebeard is larger than life, literally, like many of the major characters. Kuma and Moria both have very unique looks that I have no problem with, but I doubt will ever win a coolness vote. Still, I don't think they were meant to have that coolness factor. Instead, their looks reflect a bit of their personality.
Having said all that. I can't make logical arguments to make someone like a manga. It's opinion. Some people enjoy reality more while others love fantasy. One Piece is clearly a wild fantasy that is by far the most popular manga in the world. Still, it won't be for everyone.
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Olli
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Jesus christ, don't bring that garbage here please
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About Whitebeard not doing anything or much of anything an Marineford, you have to understand that he was older and not as strong as he was in his prime. I think that can be agreed upon right?
Second, if he did use conqueror's haki, we would also knock out his own troops and quite frankly, they already didn't have the number of the marines. It wasn't an equal match from a numbers point of view, nor was it even a match in terms of good DF/haki users I feel when it came to rank
Lastly, I think he held back so that should the worst case scenario happen, he could intervene to hold back the enemy force to give his troops time to fall back. He may or may not die when he intervened. Remember we had 3 admirals, Sengoku and Garp all in one place. And I think only whitebeard could have fought them or held them back.
From a strategy point of view, his limited action was proper for what was happening in the story.
If he did go all out from the get go, he would have tired out from fodder and maybe the shibukai battles (Eventually) and he wouldn't even be able to keep up with the 3 admirals. What then?
My two cents.
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So is there a blue flame fruit that's more powerful? It should be included in Ace's fruit's abilities to be honest.
Whitebeard did jackshit because it's a rule that the older mentor type must die. It's strange though because the person he was supposed to mentor also died - Luffy had no bonds to Whitebeard. I guess Shanks needs to die in the future.
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