EPTand all the stuff about him giving his life for luffy without blinking isn't character depth in my book. to me that is all of the crew pretty much, in every arc ever. they go into stupid situations versus strong opponents and fight because luffy said so, even though the probability of death is high. and accepted.
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Afmug
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and all the stuff about him giving his life for luffy without blinking isn't character depth in my book. to me that is all of the crew pretty much, in every arc ever. they go into stupid situations versus strong opponents and fight because luffy said so, even though the probability of death is high. and accepted. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Once again, the end of Thriller Bark. Other crewmates like Sanji would have done the same thing. Yet, a defining characteristic of Zoro doing this is that he doesn't want Luffy or anyone else to know. This tells us that he doesn't do it to show off his dedication or gain respect from other crewmembers. You couldn't rule out these motives from any other crewmembers. Some other things about Zoro are quite subtle, too. In the Buggy arc at the beginning, Zoro got surprise attacked from behind. He damned his carelessness back then. But over the course of the whole manga, he never got successfully attacked from behind again. He has always been prepared. In the Baratie arc, when he fought against Mihawk for the first time, he didn't step back an inch, even though he got stabbed in the chest. He made a point out of never stepping back, never backing off. I can't remember him doing that either. Unlike most people, when Zoro says something, he actually means it. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 29 2013 02:31 Afmug wrote: yesyes i understand that him showing little emotion is part of his character, and i deeply respect that, but what im saying is that i want more from this pretty blank page. he has so much potential to be so much and i feel as if oda simply settled for what he is now, and not giving his person more space to grow, like robin or usopp did in W7/EL arcs. and all the stuff about him giving his life for luffy without blinking isn't character depth in my book. to me that is all of the crew pretty much, in every arc ever. they go into stupid situations versus strong opponents and fight because luffy said so, even though the probability of death is high. and accepted. you feel he needs a spotlight to grow as a character "and fill in his bank page" others feel BECAUSE he does not have a spotlight he has the most interested page and a spotlight would only wash away the colours on it | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2uy5eg6.png) + Show Spoiler + the 2nd time one piece really made me go "awww yiiiiiss" the first time being arlong park before the fight happened. The same music / scene basically, where its a sorta build up and the crew is slow-walking towards a fight, faces set and ready to just kick the living-shit out of the people who wronged them. It was so fucking good, gives me chills  Poor ussop though xD | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On July 30 2013 05:14 Capped wrote: Taken from Ep. 234, enjoy. It was an instant-wallpaper for me. (God damn he looks like shanks lol.) + Show Spoiler + the 2nd time one piece really made me go "awww yiiiiiss" the first time being arlong park before the fight happened. The same music / scene basically, where its a sorta build up and the crew is slow-walking towards a fight, faces set and ready to just kick the living-shit out of the people who wronged them. It was so fucking good, gives me chills Poor ussop though xD That scene was indeed pretty really good. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
shouldnt it be doffy and icchi vs law? | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
I really like his style. | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
On July 30 2013 06:52 AsnSensation wrote: Because it seems like it doesn't doesn't give a shit about the bullshit that Doflamingo and the World Gov. setup to deceive the whole world, he officially "only" attacked law but obviously with an attack big enough that Dofla is in range, too. I really like his style. i dont. not even akainu would take the concept of "absolute justice" to that extent. he has no evidence to back up his suspicions against doflamingo, hence no right to fight him. his focus should be to arrest law and doflamingo has no reason to be in that fight at all. Why did he give ceasar clown a pardon if he doesnt believe doflamingos BS? | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
He has neither made a statement of wanting to arrest DoFla nor did he attack him directly. He gave Caesar pardon because DoFlamingo declared him as his official subordinate hence he can't be arrested because from his call with Akainu he knows that the WG and DD fooled the whole world and still maintains Shichi status. Let's just say his attack on Law was on such a big scale that Joker "got caught in the fire". | ||
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
the Admiral knows that Dofla is up to something and doesnt like it, hes cut from the same cloth as Smoker | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
It would be a very unique attitude, the "right thing"(from our point of view) and funny. He did it once, there is hope he will keep doing it. Why do you call him icchi? I thought his name is fujitora. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1083 Posts
I'm interested in seeing what Law's plan is. Fujitora gave him an out and he didn't take it for a reason. ... Fujitora seems to understand what's going on with Doflamingo, but knows he can't directly do anything about it... so he doesn't seem to mind making Doflamingo into collateral damage. Fujitora probably has some very high observation haki. He probably gets the feeling that Law is the good guy in this case and Doflamingo is the bad one, but he knows that his official role is to take out Law and help Doflamingo. So he tried to give Law a way out, and when that didn't work, he didn't mind allowing Doflamingo to be collateral damage. However, I don't think he'll make any direct strikes against Doflamingo unless something happens where he feels Doflamingo will be removed from the Shichibukai. On the Zoro topic from earlier, I think something interesting about One Piece is that most of the Straw Hats have unknown parents. Luffy: Monkey D. Dragon and ??? Zoro: ??? and ???, showed up at a dojo, raised by the master Koshiro Sanji: ??? and ???, on a ship in the North Blue, raised by Zeff Nami: ??? and ???, found in a warzone, raised by Belle-mere Usopp: Yasopp and deceased mother. Chopper: reindeer, probably not important Robin: ??? and Nico Olivia, Olivia was trying to honor her husband's dream when she went off to study the poneglyphs, raised by Olivia's brother in Ohara, West Blue. Franky: ??? and ???, From South Blue, Parents were pirates who threw Cutty Flam (Franky) off the ship. Raised by Tom. Brook: parents assumed dead by now. I'll make the assumption that Chopper and Brook's parents won't be important in the series, but look at the rest. The only Strawhat with two known parents is Usopp. One is dead, the other is a great pirate. That is for one of the weakest fighters in the Straw Hat crew. Luffy's dad is the highest bounty in the world and we don't know who his mom is. Zoro's parents could be anyone, but at least one of them was probably damn good with a sword. Sanji's parents are probably a little less likely to be important because he gets his fighting style from Zeff, but could still be anyone. Nami was found in a warzone and it's not inconceivable that one or both of her parents were fighting. Robin's father I think will be important still. They've hinted at him a little bit, but never said his name. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the archeologist for Gol D Roger and might still be around somewhere. Franky's parents being pirates is interesting. He did get a lot of his abilities from Tom, but he also seems to have a natural gift for machines. It wouldn't be totally surprising if his parents are very technologically advanced pirates or maybe somehow even Vegapunk himself... perhaps he was a former pirate and threw Franky off his ship to save him when the marines caught up with them and then he agreed to become a marine scientist. It might even explain why Kuma trusted Vegapunk. So it seems like there are multiple characters with parents that are unknown and *should* become important at some point. And there's a potential for nearly all of them to have important parents as the series goes on and we get a little more of their back stories. Of course, the other possibility is that the lack of parents helps show these characters as outcasts that can leave their old lives behind and band together to form a pirate crew. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Bringing parents of the main characters into the series is usually bad. In OP parents are even less important, as all characters have established foster/substitute parents. As you said, for Zoro his teacher is relevant if at all, Nami was raised by Belle-Mere, Sanji was raised and trained by Jeff etc. etc. If Oda brings parents into the story, it will be for a good reason.(And I would bet my car that the parents of Nami, Sanji, Zoro and Usopp's mother will never show up.) | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On July 30 2013 10:26 Mataza wrote: Just no. Bringing parents of the main characters into the series is usually bad. In OP parents are even less important, as all characters have established foster/substitute parents. As you said, for Zoro his teacher is relevant if at all, Nami was raised by Belle-Mere, Sanji was raised and trained by Jeff etc. etc. If Oda brings parents into the story, it will be for a good reason.(And I would bet my car that the parents of Nami, Sanji, Zoro and Usopp's mother will never show up.) Luffys mother and Robins father might show up but those are the only ones i could see happen | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
You know what they say about successful man, there is always a powerful woman behind them. :p | ||
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amaDeus
Germany205 Posts
On July 30 2013 20:06 Sableyeah wrote: Forikorder! For once, I agree! woohoo can't believe the day has come forikorder says something that's not utterly absurd. seems like enel has had his fingers in this :3 waiting for the next chapter, only one day *-* | ||
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Big-t
Austria1350 Posts
On July 30 2013 20:06 Sableyeah wrote: Forikorder! For once, I agree! woohoo You know what they say about successful man, there is always a powerful woman behind them. :p Exactly, I´m pretty sure we will see Luffys mum at some point. I bet Garp doesn´t like her XD On July 30 2013 07:38 Forikorder wrote: your forgotting that Caesor was using the wrong name, if the WG finds out taht Dofla is Joker he loses his title Wait, WG does not know that Dofla and Joker are the same person? I feal like more people know him as joker then people know him as Dofla... | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
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