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if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from
Rayleigh stated that haki let's you nullify the logia and thus enables the user to "touch" the real body of the fruit user. It doesn't let you hit the air/light/electricity but instead, transform back the person to the normal flesh and blood state
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On December 09 2012 16:34 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:27 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not? You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore. exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki I agree with everything you said except the part about it being haki. It's a different type of tehcnique that is not haki, why do you insist it is when there is 0 evidence saying so, it even goes by a different name and is explained differently. Until it's explained that it is a haki, it is not and anything saying otherwise is just specualation and fan fiction.
so its not Haki it jsut works exactly like Haki
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can you all stfu about haki?
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On December 09 2012 16:36 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:34 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 16:27 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not? You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore. exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki I agree with everything you said except the part about it being haki. It's a different type of tehcnique that is not haki, why do you insist it is when there is 0 evidence saying so, it even goes by a different name and is explained differently. Until it's explained that it is a haki, it is not and anything saying otherwise is just specualation and fan fiction. so its not Haki it jsut works exactly like Haki
It is not exactly like haki but it is similiar, is that so hard to understand? Seriously. Is it not possible for 2 techniques to be similiar but not the same?
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On December 09 2012 16:40 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:36 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:34 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 16:27 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not? You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore. exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki I agree with everything you said except the part about it being haki. It's a different type of tehcnique that is not haki, why do you insist it is when there is 0 evidence saying so, it even goes by a different name and is explained differently. Until it's explained that it is a haki, it is not and anything saying otherwise is just specualation and fan fiction. so its not Haki it jsut works exactly like Haki It is not exactly like haki but it is similiar, is that so hard to understand? Seriously. Is it not possible for 2 techniques to be similiar but not the same?
Haki is a very general principle and can take many different forms, Rokoshiki is one of those forms
Rayleigh stated that haki let's you nullify the logia and thus enables the user to "touch" the real body of the fruit user. It doesn't let you hit the air/light/electricity but instead, transform back the person to the normal flesh and blood state
no Rayleigh explained that Haki can force there bodies into solidity
http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-14/one-piece/chapter-597.html
so the rokoshiki technique is jsut forcing air into solodity long enough to jump off it
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On December 09 2012 16:32 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki. if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride) Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp. Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is. its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t
Here are the ONLY THINGS Armament Haki has ever been stated to do:
1.) Invisible armor, useful for hitting things because hard things hurt
2.) Solidify Devil Fruits
+ Show Spoiler [Proof] +
Everything else you say it can do is fan theory bullshit. Because it has never been stated to be a steroid or "lets you hit anything you couldn't hit before" or any other such nonsense.
And you don't know what parrying is because you think that you don't require any strength in order to do it. Maybe you should go find some athlete, give them a bat, and tell them to swing it full force at you. And then you just need to use a small force to parry it away, don't worry you will be fine, you don't have to be strong to do that.
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On December 09 2012 16:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:40 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 16:36 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:34 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 16:27 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not? You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore. exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki I agree with everything you said except the part about it being haki. It's a different type of tehcnique that is not haki, why do you insist it is when there is 0 evidence saying so, it even goes by a different name and is explained differently. Until it's explained that it is a haki, it is not and anything saying otherwise is just specualation and fan fiction. so its not Haki it jsut works exactly like Haki It is not exactly like haki but it is similiar, is that so hard to understand? Seriously. Is it not possible for 2 techniques to be similiar but not the same? Haki is a very general principle and can take many different forms, Rokoshiki is one of those forms Show nested quote +Rayleigh stated that haki let's you nullify the logia and thus enables the user to "touch" the real body of the fruit user. It doesn't let you hit the air/light/electricity but instead, transform back the person to the normal flesh and blood state no Rayleigh explained that Haki can force there bodies into solidity http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-14/one-piece/chapter-597.htmlso the rokoshiki technique is jsut forcing air into solodity long enough to jump off it
Holy shiot. You are still arguing Rokushiki= haki? It doesn't... No one else agrees with you. Yes it looks similar, but if it was haki, it would be haki, and not Rokushiki.... HOLY CARP. Stop turning "no evidence" into "it could happen.".....
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On December 09 2012 16:43 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki. if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride) Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp. Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is. its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t Here are the ONLY THINGS Armament Haki has ever been stated to do: 1.) Invisible armor, useful for hitting things because hard things hurt 2.) Solidify Devil Fruits + Show Spoiler [Proof] +Everything else you say it can do is fan theory bullshit. Because it has never been stated to be a steroid or "lets you hit anything you couldn't hit before" or any other such nonsense. And you don't know what parrying is because you think that you don't require any strength in order to do it. Maybe you should go find some athlete, give them a bat, and tell them to swing it full force at you. And then you just need to use a small force to parry it away, don't worry you will be fine, you don't have to be strong to do that.
you linked the image youself, its force there bodies into solidity not negate there DF he never said it only works on logias
and no you dont ahve to be strong but you have to be able to actually tell the bats coming, have good enough reflexs to react in time and be skilled enough to parry the bat all of which Nami has shown
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Okay I'm pretty sure this conclusion: if lucci can learn and perfect his haki, he'd be unstoppable again
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On December 09 2012 16:46 iSometric wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:42 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:40 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 16:36 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:34 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 16:27 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not? You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore. exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki I agree with everything you said except the part about it being haki. It's a different type of tehcnique that is not haki, why do you insist it is when there is 0 evidence saying so, it even goes by a different name and is explained differently. Until it's explained that it is a haki, it is not and anything saying otherwise is just specualation and fan fiction. so its not Haki it jsut works exactly like Haki It is not exactly like haki but it is similiar, is that so hard to understand? Seriously. Is it not possible for 2 techniques to be similiar but not the same? Haki is a very general principle and can take many different forms, Rokoshiki is one of those forms Rayleigh stated that haki let's you nullify the logia and thus enables the user to "touch" the real body of the fruit user. It doesn't let you hit the air/light/electricity but instead, transform back the person to the normal flesh and blood state no Rayleigh explained that Haki can force there bodies into solidity http://www.mangareader.net/103-56928-14/one-piece/chapter-597.htmlso the rokoshiki technique is jsut forcing air into solodity long enough to jump off it Holy shiot. You are still arguing Rokushiki= haki? It doesn't... No one else agrees with you. Yes it looks similar, but if it was haki, it would be haki, and not Rokushiki.... HOLY CARP. Stop turning "no evidence" into "it could happen.".....
how is it no evidence? Rayleigh explained Haki can make non-solid things solid so if you make air solid then it completely explains the rokoshiki technique and why Sanji could do it in Namis weak body
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On December 09 2012 16:47 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:43 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki. if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride) Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp. Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is. its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t Here are the ONLY THINGS Armament Haki has ever been stated to do: 1.) Invisible armor, useful for hitting things because hard things hurt 2.) Solidify Devil Fruits + Show Spoiler [Proof] +Everything else you say it can do is fan theory bullshit. Because it has never been stated to be a steroid or "lets you hit anything you couldn't hit before" or any other such nonsense. And you don't know what parrying is because you think that you don't require any strength in order to do it. Maybe you should go find some athlete, give them a bat, and tell them to swing it full force at you. And then you just need to use a small force to parry it away, don't worry you will be fine, you don't have to be strong to do that. you linked the image youself, its force there bodies into solidity not negate there DF he never said it only works on logias and no you dont ahve to be strong but you have to be able to actually tell the bats coming, have good enough reflexs to react in time and be skilled enough to parry the bat all of which Nami has shown
He said it works on Devil Fruits. He didn't say it works on anything else. You saying it could is fan fiction. Unless you have proof of Releigh, or another similar character, saying it works on other things, you have no proof and are making fan theory bullshit.
You are also incredibly ignorant about parrying and the strength required. Clearly you have never played any sport before. Like I said, go try it. Go find the strongest person you know, and tell them to do it.
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On December 09 2012 16:52 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:47 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:43 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body? http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13 We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it. it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki. if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride) Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp. Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is. its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t Here are the ONLY THINGS Armament Haki has ever been stated to do: 1.) Invisible armor, useful for hitting things because hard things hurt 2.) Solidify Devil Fruits + Show Spoiler [Proof] +Everything else you say it can do is fan theory bullshit. Because it has never been stated to be a steroid or "lets you hit anything you couldn't hit before" or any other such nonsense. And you don't know what parrying is because you think that you don't require any strength in order to do it. Maybe you should go find some athlete, give them a bat, and tell them to swing it full force at you. And then you just need to use a small force to parry it away, don't worry you will be fine, you don't have to be strong to do that. you linked the image youself, its force there bodies into solidity not negate there DF he never said it only works on logias and no you dont ahve to be strong but you have to be able to actually tell the bats coming, have good enough reflexs to react in time and be skilled enough to parry the bat all of which Nami has shown He said it works on Devil Fruits. He didn't say it works on anything else. You saying it could is fan fiction. Unless you have proof of Releigh, or another similar character, saying it works on other things, you have no proof and are making fan theory bullshit. You are also incredibly ignorant about parrying and the strength required. Clearly you have never played any sport before. Like I said, go try it. Go find the strongest person you know, and tell them to do it.
it was never said it doesnt
of Rokoshiki isnt Haki then how do they jump in the air without some sort of supernatural assistance?
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If Rokoshiki is Haki, how come they don't just stand on air because they've solidified it as a platform underneath?
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On December 09 2012 16:56 ghrur wrote:
If Rokoshiki is Haki, how come they don't just stand on air because they've solidified it as a platform underneath?
could be numerous reasons
1. too mcuh of a drain to be constantly putting out taht much haki
2. in order to solidify something you "shoot out" a bunch of haki kinda like how ninjas walk on water in Naruto so its impossible to do it except in short bursts
3. its jsut simply impossible to solodify something for more thena fraction of a second
4. there not nearly skilled enough to pull it off
5. no point
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Rokushiki isn't haki what the fuck.
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On December 09 2012 16:54 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:52 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:47 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:43 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
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We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.
it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki. if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride) Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp. Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is. its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t Here are the ONLY THINGS Armament Haki has ever been stated to do: 1.) Invisible armor, useful for hitting things because hard things hurt 2.) Solidify Devil Fruits + Show Spoiler [Proof] +Everything else you say it can do is fan theory bullshit. Because it has never been stated to be a steroid or "lets you hit anything you couldn't hit before" or any other such nonsense. And you don't know what parrying is because you think that you don't require any strength in order to do it. Maybe you should go find some athlete, give them a bat, and tell them to swing it full force at you. And then you just need to use a small force to parry it away, don't worry you will be fine, you don't have to be strong to do that. you linked the image youself, its force there bodies into solidity not negate there DF he never said it only works on logias and no you dont ahve to be strong but you have to be able to actually tell the bats coming, have good enough reflexs to react in time and be skilled enough to parry the bat all of which Nami has shown He said it works on Devil Fruits. He didn't say it works on anything else. You saying it could is fan fiction. Unless you have proof of Releigh, or another similar character, saying it works on other things, you have no proof and are making fan theory bullshit. You are also incredibly ignorant about parrying and the strength required. Clearly you have never played any sport before. Like I said, go try it. Go find the strongest person you know, and tell them to do it. it was never said it doesnt of Rokoshiki isnt Haki then how do they jump in the air without some sort of supernatural assistance?
See, you have no arguement. Unless you have proof of Releigh, or another similar character, saying it works on other things, you have no proof and are making fan theory bullshit.
They jump in the air by kicking really hard to generate lift. Birds do it by flapping their wings. Its the same principle, only magnified by a ton. Rokushiki users use their feet because they have super human strength, thus allowing them do get a similar affect.
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Forikorder , you post these absurd opinions on EVERY manga thread and every time someone argues with your opinion, you don't have evidence and just say "what if" as the evidence, thus every argument you start can't be ended because of your endless trolling/ baseless argument. I'm pretty sure that's a consensus. Stop freaking doing random theory-crafting and ruining the threads by blowing over potentially useful discussions with your own baseless bs,,,
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On December 09 2012 17:03 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2012 16:54 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:52 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:47 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:43 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:32 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
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it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump
at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki. if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride) Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp. Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is. its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t Here are the ONLY THINGS Armament Haki has ever been stated to do: 1.) Invisible armor, useful for hitting things because hard things hurt 2.) Solidify Devil Fruits + Show Spoiler [Proof] +Everything else you say it can do is fan theory bullshit. Because it has never been stated to be a steroid or "lets you hit anything you couldn't hit before" or any other such nonsense. And you don't know what parrying is because you think that you don't require any strength in order to do it. Maybe you should go find some athlete, give them a bat, and tell them to swing it full force at you. And then you just need to use a small force to parry it away, don't worry you will be fine, you don't have to be strong to do that. you linked the image youself, its force there bodies into solidity not negate there DF he never said it only works on logias and no you dont ahve to be strong but you have to be able to actually tell the bats coming, have good enough reflexs to react in time and be skilled enough to parry the bat all of which Nami has shown He said it works on Devil Fruits. He didn't say it works on anything else. You saying it could is fan fiction. Unless you have proof of Releigh, or another similar character, saying it works on other things, you have no proof and are making fan theory bullshit. You are also incredibly ignorant about parrying and the strength required. Clearly you have never played any sport before. Like I said, go try it. Go find the strongest person you know, and tell them to do it. it was never said it doesnt of Rokoshiki isnt Haki then how do they jump in the air without some sort of supernatural assistance? See, you have no arguement. Unless you have proof of Releigh, or another similar character, saying it works on other things, you have no proof and are making fan theory bullshit. They jump in the air by kicking really hard to generate lift. Birds do it by flapping their wings. Its the same principle, only magnified by a ton. Rokushiki users use their feet because they have super human strength, thus allowing them do get a similar affect.
then how come Namis body could use the technique? are you saying shes a super human too?
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On December 09 2012 16:56 ghrur wrote:
If Rokoshiki is Haki, how come they don't just stand on air because they've solidified it as a platform underneath?
Hey Ghrur I just realized something. That butler from Usopp's arc had haki. His swords could cut Luffy. It was never said his swords couldn't cut logia too. I mean, if it wasn't haki, why would he be so confident against a DF user?
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Nami is super human that was why Sanji was able to preform geppou with her body. She has been getting stronger over the entire course of the manga it would be incredibly terrible if she was not super human at this point in the story,
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