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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 09 2012 05:36 GMT
#5001
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Seastone is supposed to be relatively rare, though. Rare enough that its almost entirely used to make Battleships or in important marine facilities.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#5002
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13

StaplerPhone
Profile Joined March 2011
United States813 Posts
December 09 2012 05:41 GMT
#5003
On December 09 2012 14:03 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Smoker's weapon is seastone but it was snapped in half by both boa and vergo. I'm gonna guess that against powerful pirates they aren't really much more effective, so maybe the cost isn't worth it.

Actually only the tip is seastone, otherwise he wouldn't be able to hold it himself.
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 09 2012 05:43 GMT
#5004
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13


Wow, I didn't know you could fly while underwater.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 06:05:50
December 09 2012 05:59 GMT
#5005
On December 09 2012 14:03 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Smoker's weapon is seastone but it was snapped in half by both boa and vergo. I'm gonna guess that against powerful pirates they aren't really much more effective, so maybe the cost isn't worth it.


Personally speaking sea-stone bullets would be extremely powerful if someone don't know the haki to dodge the bullets. They would make a bee nest out of luffy in more than 1 occasions.

oh btw smoker's thing is only sea-stone tipped. If it's purely sea-stone it'll be difficult for him.

Then again... why use sea-stone? The navy should just invest in these bad boys:
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saltywet
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Hong Kong1316 Posts
December 09 2012 06:07 GMT
#5006
On December 09 2012 14:03 synapse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Smoker's weapon is seastone but it was snapped in half by both boa and vergo. I'm gonna guess that against powerful pirates they aren't really much more effective, so maybe the cost isn't worth it.


like someone said, only the tip is seastone. I'm talking about weapons with entirety being seastone

On December 09 2012 14:31 divinesage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means


Why use expensive Seastone when you can use Haki?


because haki only allows a person to increase damage, physically damage DF users or increase one's defense.

seastone has the ability to completely negate DF abilities as well as removing all their physical strength to be able to subdue them

On December 09 2012 14:36 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Seastone is supposed to be relatively rare, though. Rare enough that its almost entirely used to make Battleships or in important marine facilities.


small pieces can be used for weapons like knuckles, studded armor. being able to subdue a DF user with minimum effort seems to make these things worth it. imagine if vergo's stick was made of seastone; smoker, luffy, law; none of them would stand a chance.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 06:10 GMT
#5007
small pieces can be used for weapons like knuckles, studded armor. being able to subdue a DF user with minimum effort seems to make these things worth it. imagine if vergo's stick was made of seastone; smoker, luffy, law; none of them would stand a chance.


jsut tapping them with it does nothing, the second the seastone isnt in contact with there body there prefectly fine, its not like rare kinds VS power uses the sea stone doesnt actually drain there power it just temporarily disables it so unless you cant jsut wack them you have to plant it deep and keep it in constant contact with them or its pointless

plus that would be so lame using seastone weapons like that
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 09 2012 06:17 GMT
#5008
On December 09 2012 14:59 evanthebouncy! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 14:03 synapse wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Smoker's weapon is seastone but it was snapped in half by both boa and vergo. I'm gonna guess that against powerful pirates they aren't really much more effective, so maybe the cost isn't worth it.


Personally speaking sea-stone bullets would be extremely powerful if someone don't know the haki to dodge the bullets. They would make a bee nest out of luffy in more than 1 occasions.

oh btw smoker's thing is only sea-stone tipped. If it's purely sea-stone it'll be difficult for him.

Then again... why use sea-stone? The navy should just invest in these bad boys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ichgdfsd2DE

Its not water itself that makes Devil Fruit users lose their power, its literally the "power of the sea" that does it.

On December 09 2012 15:07 saltywet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 14:36 Sentenal wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:42 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:37 killa_robot wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:34 saltywet wrote:
On December 09 2012 12:26 CreatorofRagnarok wrote:
Seastone is supposed to be extremely rare if memory serves, as it is also stronger than steel it would be used more commonly as everyday stuff if it was common.


Devil fruits are supposed to be rare too, but seems like almost everybody are DF users


Everyone important maybe, and their devil fruit makes them more important. On the entire island with well over a hundred people right now, there are like 8 devil fruit users


Then everyone important should be able to wield seastone weapons. All the criminals in Impel Down are locked by seastone, so the marines should not have a shortage of seastone. Non-DF users such as Garp and non-Haki users alike should be able to dominate DF pirates using seastone, destroying their ships to force them into the sea and other means

Seastone is supposed to be relatively rare, though. Rare enough that its almost entirely used to make Battleships or in important marine facilities.


small pieces can be used for weapons like knuckles, studded armor. being able to subdue a DF user with minimum effort seems to make these things worth it. imagine if vergo's stick was made of seastone; smoker, luffy, law; none of them would stand a chance.

Smoker proves that it can, with his stick thing. But that doesn't really change the fact that it is apparently so rare its practically monopolized by their Shipbuilders and Prisons. Plus, putting Seastone in the hands of every grunt within the Marines could be a big problem. Devil Fruits are also rare, so getting Seastone out to all their troops isn't really feasible. It might SEEM like Devil Fruits are very common, but thats only because the story of One Piece tends to involve big shots.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 06:19 GMT
#5009
i wonder if theres a finite amount of seastone that they can dig up from wherever they dig up seastone so they have to be extremely careful in how they dole out the seastone so they dont run out
valheru
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia966 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 06:27:42
December 09 2012 06:20 GMT
#5010
On December 09 2012 15:10 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
small pieces can be used for weapons like knuckles, studded armor. being able to subdue a DF user with minimum effort seems to make these things worth it. imagine if vergo's stick was made of seastone; smoker, luffy, law; none of them would stand a chance.


jsut tapping them with it does nothing, the second the seastone isnt in contact with there body there prefectly fine, its not like rare kinds VS power uses the sea stone doesnt actually drain there power it just temporarily disables it so unless you cant jsut wack them you have to plant it deep and keep it in constant contact with them or its pointless

plus that would be so lame using seastone weapons like that

You can use the weapons to hit logia users though. It would make sense for the navy to issue seastone weapons there are doubtless weak logia users out there that are not strong enough to justify the sending of a haki-using navy guy. You could send your really strong really limited in supply vice-admiral to whack some random who got lucky on a fruit or you could send a bunch of the rank and file with seastone to do it.

EDIT: typo
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 06:33 GMT
#5011
On December 09 2012 15:20 valheru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:10 Forikorder wrote:
small pieces can be used for weapons like knuckles, studded armor. being able to subdue a DF user with minimum effort seems to make these things worth it. imagine if vergo's stick was made of seastone; smoker, luffy, law; none of them would stand a chance.


jsut tapping them with it does nothing, the second the seastone isnt in contact with there body there prefectly fine, its not like rare kinds VS power uses the sea stone doesnt actually drain there power it just temporarily disables it so unless you cant jsut wack them you have to plant it deep and keep it in constant contact with them or its pointless

plus that would be so lame using seastone weapons like that

You can use the weapons to hit logia users though. It would make sense for the navy to issue seastone weapons there are doubtless weak logia users out there that are not strong enough to justify the sending of a haki-using navy guy. You could send your really strong really limited in supply vice-admiral to whack some random who got lucky on a fruit or you could send a bunch of the rank and file with seastone to do it.

EDIT: typo

the navy isnt nearly that proactive though they dont really hunt people down Smokers the only one who really does that

besides sounds like an extremely rare circumstance to have a Logia user whos weak enough to be beaten by a vice admiral, does not know about Haki and doesnt ahve the ability to just run away and theyd have to know where that person is and ensure they send enough troops to deal with the logias crew
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
December 09 2012 06:50 GMT
#5012
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 06:58 GMT
#5013
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 07:10:21
December 09 2012 07:09 GMT
#5014
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki

There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also solidifies Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 07:14 GMT
#5015
On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki

There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki.

if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from

also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride)
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-09 07:26:02
December 09 2012 07:23 GMT
#5016
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki


It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not?

You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body and asks if she has the MUSCLES for it, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 07:27 GMT
#5017
On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki


It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not?

You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore.

exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying

since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 09 2012 07:28 GMT
#5018
On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:
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On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki

There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki.

if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from

also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride)

Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp.

Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 09 2012 07:32 GMT
#5019
On December 09 2012 16:28 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 16:14 Forikorder wrote:
On December 09 2012 16:09 Sentenal wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki

There are 3 types of Haki. One is Armament Haki, which was described as "coating your body in an invisible armor", that also allows you to solidify Devil Fruit powers. The other is Observation, then there is Conquerors. None of those are even remotely similar to air jumping. And it is reliant on physical strength. Nami after the timeskip is strong enough to parry blows from Fishmen, who are on average 10x stronger than your average human being. Please stop posting this stuff. You are just embarrassing yourself. You clearly don't even know what Haki is (likely becaue you can't read), so you should stop making theories saying that other things (that you understand even less about) are Haki.

if someone eats the air air fruit if you use Haki you can punch them in the face so why cant you punch normal air in the face? Haki lets you hit thing you normally cant hit so you hit the air and use it as a surface to jump from

also i think your confusing parrying with blocking with parrying you use small amounts of force to change the direction fo your opponents attack so you can either dodge it or itll miss completely parrying doesnt require super human strength which Nami has never shown (in fact Sanji constantly complains about how weak Namis body is during his joyride)

Haki armament Haki has the ability to SOLIDIFY DEVIL FRUITS. That's and being an invisible shield is all Armament Haki is stated to do. What is so hard to understand about that? It isn't stated to "let you hit things you normally can't", that is BS fan theory on your part. Stop making up things just because you know you are wrong, and need straws to grasp.

Also, you have no idea what parrying is, and Sanji complains because Nami's body is weaker than his, because it is.

its never stated that it only has the ability to jsut soldify devil fruits

and yes Namis body is much weaker then Sanjis thats the whole point

and your the one who doesnt know what parrying is http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/parry?s=t
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
December 09 2012 07:34 GMT
#5020
On December 09 2012 16:27 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2012 16:23 Zooper31 wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:58 Forikorder wrote:
On December 09 2012 15:50 b3n3tt3 wrote:
On December 09 2012 14:39 Forikorder wrote:
if rokoshiki is all about super strength and not Haki then how come Sanji could still use the flying ability while in namis physical weak body?

http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/672/13



We don't know yet the full mechanics of rokushiki's air jumping. Unlike other rokushiki moves I think it takes more from technique than raw strength. Like how everyone is capable of using simple haki but not everyone has the time and tenacity to know the feel on how to perform it.

it probably works on the same principle that lets haki users hit Logia users instead of hitting a logia there hitting the air and using it as a platform to jump

at any rate since Namis body can use it the technique is definently not reliant on physical strength and definently Haki


It is not haki, end of story. Theres been more than enough evidence to suggest it is something different than haki. Why are you so gun ho on it being something it's not?

You're Sanji & Nami example still doesn't work. If you put a black belt karate master in a little kids body, he's still gonna know all the moves, he's just not gonna have the body that is capable and durable enough to perform everything to perfection. Yes he can do some stuff but thats not to say that his little child body is going to not be worn to shreds and exhaused afterwards because it's not used to it. Sanji is even saying like you said she has a weak body, meaning he doesn't want to hurt her body doing the same kind of moves his normal body is durable enough to do. If I remember correctly when he does do some moves in her body, hes super exhausted and when they switch back Nami complains about feeling weak and sore.

exactly Namis body is physical incapable of performing the sort of super human strength that jumping on air with pure leg strength needs, shes as strong as a normal person who does alot of physical acitivty she cant punch through concrete her kicks dont send people flying

since tis impossible for her to have used the rokoshiki tech with pure leg strength then the only answer is that the technique is pretty much purely technical and pretty mcuh anyone could use it for short bursts at least assuming they know haki


I agree with everything you said except the part about it being haki. It's a different type of tehcnique that is not haki, why do you insist it is when there is 0 evidence saying so, it even goes by a different name and is explained differently. Until it's explained that it is a haki, it is not and anything saying otherwise is just specualation and fan fiction.
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