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On December 08 2012 16:13 EchOne wrote: "if we assume that everything in OP is either runs on a DF or Haki"
Log Pose? Haki. Den Den Mushi? Devil Fruit. Seastone? Haki. Calms Belts? Devil Fruit. Dials? Haki. Shinokuni? Devil Fruit.
Just give it a rest. One Piece is an amazing universe filled with all manner of crazy, unexplained, and supernatural. Boiling it all down into some singular, amorphous concept does the universe, and Haki itself, a great disservice. I'm sure Oda has more answers in store further down the line, so unless you're one of those folks who thinks the author is wrong about his own work, just wait and enjoy.
how did you get to accusing me of saying Oda is wrong? and i love how youve gotten to the point where you realise that you actually have no arguments agaisnt what im saying so left with nothing but trying to insult me and distract the current argument
there are many very clear parallels between Rokushiki and Haki as i outlines earlier and i proved one of the CP9 at least definently had Haki
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Shigan is poking some really hard. And since Rokushiki users are super human in strength, this tends to hurt. No evidence saying its Haki. Tekkai is where they tense their muscles such that they harden enough to ward off attacks. Tensed muscles are harder than non-tensed muscles. They can repel attacks with this because of their super human strength. No evidence saying its Haki. No, Shumpo is kicking the air hard enough to generate lift. Requires super human strength. No evidence saying its Haki. In fact, this entire part is just supposition on your part relating two different things. The same logic would imply that Sanji learning new cooking receipts is Haki. Which is retarded. Finally, are you fucking kidding me? How the hell is moving your hair around one of Armament, Observation, or Conquerors Haki? This isn't proof, this is a fan theory on your part.
In conclusion: You have no proof at all that Rokushiki is Haki.
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Shigan is poking some really hard. And since Rokushiki users are super human in strength, this tends to hurt. No evidence saying its Haki. Tekkai is where they tense their muscles such that they harden enough to ward off attacks. Tensed muscles are harder than non-tensed muscles. They can repel attacks with this because of their super human strength. No evidence saying its Haki. No, Shumpo is kicking the air hard enough to generate lift. Requires super human strength. No evidence saying its Haki. In fact, this entire part is just your supposition on your part relating two different things. The same logic would imply that Sanji learning new cooking receipts is Haki. Which is retarded. Finally, are you fucking kidding me? How the hell is moving your hair around one of Armament, Observation, or Conquerors Haki? This isn't proof, this is a fan theory on your part.
In conclusion: You have no proof at all that Rokushiki is Haki.
Shigan is not jsut poking something really hard, if it was then taht doesnt come close to deserving a name and everything they do would have gan added at the end
if Rokushiki jsut boils down to being really strong then it doesnt deserve to be called a martial art its jsut them being very strong and guess what makes strong people stronger? HAKI
for the last part, for obvious reasons (if it has to fall in one of the colours) then moving your hair would be Armament it hasnt been clearly explained but we know from the island of women that the snake chick who was moving her hair was using Haki to do so (thats established fact from Oda so you cant say thats not true) therefore the lion man knew how to use Haki
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Actually..no Shigan is not exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to their arrows
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Actually..no Shigan is not exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to their arrows
thats not enough evidence at all... all it measn is that the haki does not literally turn there fingers into arrows which should be pretty obvious
hell Luffys gum gum fruit protects him from regular bullets shot from a gun so hardening there fingers to be like bullets wouldnt help at all
if an amazon herdened a rock with haki and through it at luffy it wouldnt break through him, it would hurt him but thats all and luffy sure looks like hes in pain there so guess thats another similarity
if all he did was jsut poke luffy with his finger Luffy wouldnt have even flinched at it his neck would ahve just stretched and hed have been perfectly fine like every other time hes stretched but thats not what happened which means it wasnt just a normal poke
Shigan is not jsut poking something really hard, if it was then taht doesnt come close to deserving a name and everything they do would have gan added at the end
Yes it is. Its just an attack name for a technique that Rokushiki users know. It turns their pokes into something similar to a gunshot, and you have seen its uses.
if Rokushiki jsut boils down to being really strong then it doesnt deserve to be called a martial art its jsut them being very strong and guess what makes strong people stronger? HAKI
Its a martial art that makes use of their strength. Are you blind or something? And Haki doesn't increase anyone's physical power.
for the last part, for obvious reasons (if it has to fall in one of the colours) then moving your hair would be Armament it hasnt been clearly explained but we know from the island of women that the snake chick who was moving her hair was using Haki to do so (thats established fact from Oda so you cant say thats not true) therefore the lion man knew how to use Haki
rofl, you don't even know what Haki is. Armament Haki was defined by Releigh to be like "wearing an invisible suit of armor". Not "do whatever the fuck you want with your body". The technique that Kumadori used to manipulate his hair was called "Life Return", which gave him control over his entire body and metabolism. Not Haki.
Yamata no Orochi, the technique the Boa sisters used to control their hair, was a result of their Snake Devil Fruit. It was not said to be because of Haki. Please don't lie just because you have no proof. Go back and read chapter 520 yourself.
Or maybe its just a simple fact that you have to resort to lies when you have nothing else.
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Actually..no Shigan is not exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to their arrows
thats not enough evidence at all... all it measn is that the haki does not literally turn there fingers into arrows which should be pretty obvious
hell Luffys gum gum fruit protects him from regular bullets shot from a gun so hardening there fingers to be like bullets wouldnt help at all
if an amazon herdened a rock with haki and through it at luffy it wouldnt break through him, it would hurt him but thats all and luffy sure looks like hes in pain there so guess thats another similarity
if all he did was jsut poke luffy with his finger Luffy wouldnt have even flinched at it his neck would ahve just stretched and hed have been perfectly fine like every other time hes stretched but thats not what happened which means it wasnt just a normal poke
Luffy is not immune to piercing attacks or attacks that cut. Shigan is a piercing attack.
Haki has nothing to do with muscle power. If the little girl on Skypeia had the ability to form the most basic of coa to go along with her coo, Akainu would feel her tiny fist hitting his nuts long before a canonball would have any effect on him. To a rokushiki user though, it would still not be very effective because she doesn't have any physical power to put behind her swing.
she only knew observation haki not armament haki
You can believe that all you want, but you're wrong lol.
Easiest one to think of is Tekkai, as Tekkai is just flexing. It's basically if you could flex to the point where your muscles were like iron. Haki is like an invisible armour that covers you. The two may function similarly in the end, but they aren't the same.
Rest are harder to explain, but the point is haki is not the explanation for everything.
you can believe that all you want but your wrong its been shown that you dont need special training to learn Haki so unless Oda specifically states that he created a third set of rules for CP9s tech theres no reason not to think its Haki
i mean im pretty sure no matter how hard you train its impossible to fly just from leg strength alone and Robs special super punch thing that wasnt actually a punch is definently not reliant on physical power alone
No dark coloring that results from armament haki though.
Yeah, I mean that is pretty much the kicker to be honest. It's pretty obvious with Vergo actually. Notice how in an earlier chapter, when using Shigan on Smoker's subordinates, Vergo exhibits no coloring change even though that should be armament haki if the above theory about Rokushiki is true. Yet he clearly changes color when using armament haki now.
Edit: then again, I just noticed we're arguing with Forikorder, so it's pretty pointless.
Haki has nothing to do with muscle power. If the little girl on Skypeia had the ability to form the most basic of coa to go along with her coo, Akainu would feel her tiny fist hitting his nuts long before a canonball would have any effect on him. To a rokushiki user though, it would still not be very effective because she doesn't have any physical power to put behind her swing.
she only knew observation haki not armament haki
You can believe that all you want, but you're wrong lol.
Easiest one to think of is Tekkai, as Tekkai is just flexing. It's basically if you could flex to the point where your muscles were like iron. Haki is like an invisible armour that covers you. The two may function similarly in the end, but they aren't the same.
Rest are harder to explain, but the point is haki is not the explanation for everything.
you can believe that all you want but your wrong its been shown that you dont need special training to learn Haki so unless Oda specifically states that he created a third set of rules for CP9s tech theres no reason not to think its Haki
i mean im pretty sure no matter how hard you train its impossible to fly just from leg strength alone and Robs special super punch thing that wasnt actually a punch is definently not reliant on physical power alone
No dark coloring that results from armament haki though.
Yeah, I mean that is pretty much the kicker to be honest. It's pretty obvious with Vergo actually. Notice how in an earlier chapter, when using Shigan on Smoker's subordinates, Vergo exhibits no coloring change even though that should be armament haki if the above theory about Rokushiki is true. Yet he clearly changes color when using armament haki now.
Edit: then again, I just noticed we're arguing with Forikorder, so it's pretty pointless.
Oh Con, you should've bolded this...
Yeah, gotta keep in mind this is the guy we are arguing with:
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Actually..no Shigan is not exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to their arrows
thats not enough evidence at all... all it measn is that the haki does not literally turn there fingers into arrows which should be pretty obvious
hell Luffys gum gum fruit protects him from regular bullets shot from a gun so hardening there fingers to be like bullets wouldnt help at all
if an amazon herdened a rock with haki and through it at luffy it wouldnt break through him, it would hurt him but thats all and luffy sure looks like hes in pain there so guess thats another similarity
if all he did was jsut poke luffy with his finger Luffy wouldnt have even flinched at it his neck would ahve just stretched and hed have been perfectly fine like every other time hes stretched but thats not what happened which means it wasnt just a normal poke
We can play this game of 'that's not enough evidence' all day long...reason i chose that as evidence is because he didn't bleed even though he did not know any haki (and that was to the neck). Looking at the battle he had with the 2 sisters of boa hancock, he spat blood just from a strike to the chest...you can say that is not enough evidence again...but i'm done with this..believe what u will..gl hf
Also, Oda used that Sumo wrestler and the sisters as an example of the hardening haki and not the cp9.. it would have been more logical if he included cp9's tekkai as an example as well since luffy said 'i've seen that before..'..Again..NOT ENOUGH EVIDENCE I KNOW. Cheers
Saying that some techniques of Rokushiki uses Haki is pure speculation at this point because there is little to no evidence linking the two. Back to relevant discussion on recent events in the manga, I am really curious when we will get to the point of Charlotte Linlin aka. Big Mom fighting Luffy. The Gorosei did mention Big Mom as one of the few that could stop Teach so she will be extremely strong no doubt.
Forikorder can you stop making shit up in every manga thread and arguing about it with people
You've established a pretty consistent history of being completely wrong on most-to-all counts, consider your opinion canonical fact, and basically drag all the manga threads down to the level of a 12 year old child.
On December 08 2012 17:47 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Forikorder can you stop making shit up in every manga thread and arguing about it with people
You've established a pretty consistent history of being completely wrong on most-to-all counts, consider your opinion canonical fact, and basically drag all the manga threads down to the level of a 12 year old child.
On December 08 2012 15:37 ghrur wrote: You can't assume that everything either runs on DF or on Haki. That's not an assumption you have any evidence to support. There's also no evidence that there's offensive vs defensive armament Haki. But whatever, keep to your false dichotomies.
Better way of looking at this: go count your "ifs"
Not you iSometric. Forikorder.
why not? why is it so far fetched? we already know that Haki makes you physical stronger and tougher we already know that Haki can make normal arrows pierce stone and make Snakes like bows
Haki enhances the physical performance of someone thats pretty mcuh all haki does (aside from letting you catch Logias) so anything that doesnt use magic (DF) can be ehanced by adding in Haki
"Why not?" Is that seriously your argument for explaining everything with Haki or a Devil Fruit? Are you kidding me?
ive already laid out my arguments before, your arguments seem to be "if its not explicatly stated by the author then obviously its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is not related to haki you have no evidence that its not, the techniques they use is similar to haki attacks (big boss's cannon punch thing that hurts luffy dispite being rubber, turning there finger into a bullet extremely similar to Kuja haki reinforcements of arrow plus the long hair guys controlling his hair exactly like the snake chick controlled her hair)
its tiring coming up with all these similarities between Rokushiki and Haki and explaining how Haki can supercharge any fighting style (and make certain impossible things like Shigan and walking on air possible) and getting stonewalled by "as long as its not said in the manga that Rokoshiki is haki then its not true"
its never been stated that Rokoshiki is related to haki you have no evidence that it is
Look how easy it is to do this. We can do this all day until you actually provide proof. The burden of proof is on the guy coming up with the theory, which in this case is "Rokushiki is haki". And if you can't prove it with anything other than "Why not", its easy enough to just completely dismiss your idea as crazy fanon.
i do ahve eveidence
Shigan is exactly like what the Kuja pirates do to there arrows Tekai is exactly like that too Sanji disapears in the ilsand of freaks, he comes back having learnt Haki but theres no evidence he obtained a formal teacher at all so must have figured it out himself, what else did he figure out? the air walking thing STRONG evidence that air walking is haki then theres the Lion dude, his controlling his hair is exactly like what the snake chick did so he HAS to know Haki or he wouldnt be able to do it
Shigan is poking some really hard. And since Rokushiki users are super human in strength, this tends to hurt. No evidence saying its Haki. Tekkai is where they tense their muscles such that they harden enough to ward off attacks. Tensed muscles are harder than non-tensed muscles. They can repel attacks with this because of their super human strength. No evidence saying its Haki. No, Shumpo is kicking the air hard enough to generate lift. Requires super human strength. No evidence saying its Haki. In fact, this entire part is just your supposition on your part relating two different things. The same logic would imply that Sanji learning new cooking receipts is Haki. Which is retarded. Finally, are you fucking kidding me? How the hell is moving your hair around one of Armament, Observation, or Conquerors Haki? This isn't proof, this is a fan theory on your part.
In conclusion: You have no proof at all that Rokushiki is Haki.
Shigan is not jsut poking something really hard, if it was then taht doesnt come close to deserving a name and everything they do would have gan added at the end
if Rokushiki jsut boils down to being really strong then it doesnt deserve to be called a martial art its jsut them being very strong and guess what makes strong people stronger? HAKI
for the last part, for obvious reasons (if it has to fall in one of the colours) then moving your hair would be Armament it hasnt been clearly explained but we know from the island of women that the snake chick who was moving her hair was using Haki to do so (thats established fact from Oda so you cant say thats not true) therefore the lion man knew how to use Haki
thats just simply fact
Can this troll be banned? There is no way after reading his posts he cannot be trolling. The stuidity has reached troll levels. No one is this stupid. He just says random things then he says its facts. "snake chick using haki to move hair, confirmed by oda" really? .... Can we stop feeding the troll.
Yamata no Orochi, the technique the Boa sisters used to control their hair, was a result of their Snake Devil Fruit. It was not said to be because of Haki. Please don't lie just because you have no proof. Go back and read chapter 520 yourself.
so your saying that the 2 snake sisters just so happen to have the only non-mythical zoan fruit in existance to give the owner supernatural power and its just completely glossed over... ya thats much mroe believable...
Luffy is not immune to piercing attacks or attacks that cut. Shigan is a piercing attack.
no Shigan is not a piercing attack since its made using a blunt object (finger)
We can play this game of 'that's not enough evidence' all day long...reason i chose that as evidence is because he didn't bleed even though he did not know any haki (and that was to the neck). Looking at the battle he had with the 2 sisters of boa hancock, he spat blood just from a strike to the chest...you can say that is not enough evidence again...but i'm done with this..believe what u will..gl hf
he spat blood against the twin sisters because they hit him hard enough with enough haki to do actual damage to his insides
so your saying that the 2 snake sisters just so happen to have the only non-mythical zoan fruit in existance to give the owner supernatural power and its just completely glossed over... ya thats much mroe believable...
News flash: Devil Fruits give people supernatural powers.
The Shigan's shape is derived from the shape of the finger, hence the hit of Shigan will have more of an impact on Luffy's rubber body (which normally reflects bullets) if it is sharper than the round bullet and resembles more modern bullets.
In the One Piece universe martial arts have consistently been shown to be stronger than guns so the Shigan piercing but not bullets is not surpring. Not to mention Rob Lucci had the jaguar DF meaning he had really sharp fingernails.
Rokushiki isn't Haki. It's a physical form of fighting. Can it be enhanced by Haki? Yes definitely, but at CP9's leve of training it seems like they've reached nearly the pinnacle of Rokushiki, which pales in comparison to someone like Vergo who has used Haki to enhance (to a great extent) the fighting capabilities of Rokushiki.
It's actually pretty easy to tell the moves aren't Haki based. Soru is based on kicking the ground many times in an instant - a series of physical actions. Tekkai is a physical technique to harden your body muscles. Kami-e is a physical technique to soften your body muscles. Rankyaku simply kicks at a very high speed and power to create a blade of compressed air. Geppou seems like a physical way of staying up in the air as well. So no, it's definitely not Haki.
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