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ddrddrddrddr
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On December 06 2012 20:01 USvBleakill wrote: As far i remember correctly not the entire billy club is made of seestone just the tip. Remember that ladies, just the tip. | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:49 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Remember Califa's soap fruit? It can wash away powers.... I absolutely don't remember that, can you show me the chapter showing that? | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 06 2012 23:49 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Remember Califa's soap fruit? It can wash away powers.... She never used it on a Devil Fruit user, did she? She fought Nami and Sanji, both of which are normal people. | ||
BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
On December 06 2012 20:21 sharkie wrote: I wonder if there is a water fruit :p There is a water fruit in one of the movies. Yes it is not cannon but so far there has been no repeat DF as far as I know including from filler material. Note it was water not sea water. Edit: Nvm it was just a random liquid. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Toro_Toro_no_Mi | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2551 Posts
Also Haki isn't responsible for everything. The CP9 moves are Rokushiki and are a totally different thing. Then you also have stuff like Fishman Karate which manipulates water and is definately not Haki and you've got Zoro's Asura cloning thing which isn't Haki and finally you've got Sanji's fire kicks as well. I think there are millions of strange fighting styles in OP outside of Devil Fruits and Haki just because that seems like an Oda thing to do. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 07 2012 06:23 Hyperbola wrote: I really don't understand the whole "devil fruits make you a hammer" thing. It seems like it was said so many times that the sea eats your energy away but it was never really explained. I think Oda originally intended for that to be Luffy's drawback because rubber is too dense to float, but I then think he changed it to work with all others. I still am interested in the cause of this because I think Oda has already thought up an explanation. Also Haki isn't responsible for everything. The CP9 moves are Rokushiki and are a totally different thing. Then you also have stuff like Fishman Karate which manipulates water and is definately not Haki and you've got Zoro's Asura cloning thing which isn't Haki and finally you've got Sanji's fire kicks as well. I think there are millions of strange fighting styles in OP outside of Devil Fruits and Haki just because that seems like an Oda thing to do. DFs come from the sea, if you steal the fruit from the Sea then the Sea hates you and when you enter water it tries to kill you as punishment for stealing its fruit where is it ever stated that Rokushiki is not haki anyway? super defense, super strength sounds like Haki to mee Zoro did not actually turn himself into an Asura that was jsut his Aura making Giraffe boy freak out and i think Sanjis kicks are def haki which is why his fire kick got better after time skip | ||
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RenSC2
United States1084 Posts
On December 07 2012 06:23 Hyperbola wrote: I really don't understand the whole "devil fruits make you a hammer" thing. It seems like it was said so many times that the sea eats your energy away but it was never really explained. I think Oda originally intended for that to be Luffy's drawback because rubber is too dense to float, but I then think he changed it to work with all others. I still am interested in the cause of this because I think Oda has already thought up an explanation. Also Haki isn't responsible for everything. The CP9 moves are Rokushiki and are a totally different thing. Then you also have stuff like Fishman Karate which manipulates water and is definately not Haki and you've got Zoro's Asura cloning thing which isn't Haki and finally you've got Sanji's fire kicks as well. I think there are millions of strange fighting styles in OP outside of Devil Fruits and Haki just because that seems like an Oda thing to do. Some fans of One Piece (including me) believe that Haki is the underlying energy that allows almost all of the special non-DF abilities. Shigan is haki armament hardening of the finger-tip. Tekkai is armament hardening of the whole body. Kami-e is likely an extreme focus on observation haki which allows them to dodge attacks. Geppo, Rankyaku, and Soru are potentially non-haki and just based on pure strength/speed. These tactics are the foundation of Rokushiki, but are likely a trained method of haki usage... just like the sky people have "mantra", but it is explained by Rayleigh to be observation haki. As an underlying force, haki manifests itself in many different ways within the One Piece world. Some people learn it very directly (like Luffy's training). Others learn it indirectly like Zoro's cannon attacks, Rokushiki, or even Fishman Karate. However, I will say that someone at wikia disagrees with me: + Show Spoiler + "Tekkai is similar to Busoshoku Haki, as both reinforce the users body in some way, the difference being that Haki is based on the user's willpower and Tekkai is based on the user's physical power." also, I believe Forikorder's explanation of devil's fruits is only a theory so far. I don't believe it has ever been explained within the manga. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On December 07 2012 16:50 RenSC2 wrote: Some fans of One Piece (including me) believe that Haki is the underlying energy that allows almost all of the special non-DF abilities. Shigan is haki armament hardening of the finger-tip. Tekkai is armament hardening of the whole body. Kami-e is likely an extreme focus on observation haki which allows them to dodge attacks. Geppo, Rankyaku, and Soru are potentially non-haki and just based on pure strength/speed. These tactics are the foundation of Rokushiki, but are likely a trained method of haki usage... just like the sky people have "mantra", but it is explained by Rayleigh to be observation haki. As an underlying force, haki manifests itself in many different ways within the One Piece world. Some people learn it very directly (like Luffy's training). Others learn it indirectly like Zoro's cannon attacks, Rokushiki, or even Fishman Karate. However, I will say that someone at wikia disagrees with me: + Show Spoiler + "Tekkai is similar to Busoshoku Haki, as both reinforce the users body in some way, the difference being that Haki is based on the user's willpower and Tekkai is based on the user's physical power." also, I believe Forikorder's explanation of devil's fruits is only a theory so far. I don't believe it has ever been explained within the manga. You can believe that all you want, but you're wrong lol. Easiest one to think of is Tekkai, as Tekkai is just flexing. It's basically if you could flex to the point where your muscles were like iron. Haki is like an invisible armour that covers you. The two may function similarly in the end, but they aren't the same. Rest are harder to explain, but the point is haki is not the explanation for everything. | ||
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
On December 07 2012 16:50 RenSC2 wrote: Some fans of One Piece (including me) believe that Haki is the underlying energy that allows almost all of the special non-DF abilities. Shigan is haki armament hardening of the finger-tip. Tekkai is armament hardening of the whole body. Kami-e is likely an extreme focus on observation haki which allows them to dodge attacks. Geppo, Rankyaku, and Soru are potentially non-haki and just based on pure strength/speed. These tactics are the foundation of Rokushiki, but are likely a trained method of haki usage... just like the sky people have "mantra", but it is explained by Rayleigh to be observation haki. As an underlying force, haki manifests itself in many different ways within the One Piece world. Some people learn it very directly (like Luffy's training). Others learn it indirectly like Zoro's cannon attacks, Rokushiki, or even Fishman Karate. However, I will say that someone at wikia disagrees with me: + Show Spoiler + "Tekkai is similar to Busoshoku Haki, as both reinforce the users body in some way, the difference being that Haki is based on the user's willpower and Tekkai is based on the user's physical power." also, I believe Forikorder's explanation of devil's fruits is only a theory so far. I don't believe it has ever been explained within the manga. I agree with you on the concept of Haki but I do feel that Rokushiki is almost entirely non-Haki. I treat it as a hard form of a martial art as compared to the soft form of martial art (Tai Chi, Qigong). Although in reality, most masters of any hard form of a martial (mostly Asian martial arts) have some expertise in some form of inner energy flow. I think the OP world is similar in that respect. | ||
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b3n3tt3
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On December 07 2012 19:31 b3n3tt3 wrote: Rokushiki eh? We better forget about that. That DBZ-ish fight at water 7 is definitely bad for one piece I don´t agree. Its just part of how Shōnen manga works. With the arcs the enemys just have to get stronger so the heros have to. And One Piece did a way better job at explaining that and solving the problem then DB. It´s like the time jumps. Yes its often wired but you kind of have to do that in these format. | ||
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hooahah
3752 Posts
On December 07 2012 19:31 b3n3tt3 wrote: Rokushiki eh? We better forget about that. That DBZ-ish fight at water 7 is definitely bad for one piece that was just to show how much stronger Lucci was than the rest of CP9. The War showed that power levels don't matter at all. | ||
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Krytha
Canada140 Posts
Haki has nothing to do with muscle power. If the little girl on Skypeia had the ability to form the most basic of coa to go along with her coo, Akainu would feel her tiny fist hitting his nuts long before a canonball would have any effect on him. To a rokushiki user though, it would still not be very effective because she doesn't have any physical power to put behind her swing. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On December 07 2012 05:01 Sentenal wrote: She never used it on a Devil Fruit user, did she? She fought Nami and Sanji, both of which are normal people. http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Kalifa I guess that's true... but I can totally imagine her power to the potential to wash away devil fruit powers temporarily. Otherwise this power really has limited potential. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
Haki has nothing to do with muscle power. If the little girl on Skypeia had the ability to form the most basic of coa to go along with her coo, Akainu would feel her tiny fist hitting his nuts long before a canonball would have any effect on him. To a rokushiki user though, it would still not be very effective because she doesn't have any physical power to put behind her swing. she only knew observation haki not armament haki You can believe that all you want, but you're wrong lol. Easiest one to think of is Tekkai, as Tekkai is just flexing. It's basically if you could flex to the point where your muscles were like iron. Haki is like an invisible armour that covers you. The two may function similarly in the end, but they aren't the same. Rest are harder to explain, but the point is haki is not the explanation for everything. you can believe that all you want but your wrong its been shown that you dont need special training to learn Haki so unless Oda specifically states that he created a third set of rules for CP9s tech theres no reason not to think its Haki i mean im pretty sure no matter how hard you train its impossible to fly just from leg strength alone and Robs special super punch thing that wasnt actually a punch is definently not reliant on physical power alone | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:41 Forikorder wrote: she only knew observation haki not armament haki you can believe that all you want but your wrong its been shown that you dont need special training to learn Haki so unless Oda specifically states that he created a third set of rules for CP9s tech theres no reason not to think its Haki i mean im pretty sure no matter how hard you train its impossible to fly just from leg strength alone and Robs special super punch thing that wasnt actually a punch is definently not reliant on physical power alone No dark coloring that results from armament haki though. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:46 ddrddrddrddr wrote: No dark coloring that results from armament haki though. dark colouring only apears from people who have mastered armamaent haki and pour alot into it to use a full strength tech, http://www.mangareader.net/103-2618-18/one-piece/chapter-511.html http://www.mangareader.net/103-2619-6/one-piece/chapter-512.html coul dprobably find more if i wanted to but basicly the colour thing only really started to happen after the time skip i think it only exists to show where the person is really putting there strength and isnt an actual phenomona that sentoumaru dude didnt change colour either | ||
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Conquest101
United States1395 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:46 ddrddrddrddr wrote: No dark coloring that results from armament haki though. Yeah, I mean that is pretty much the kicker to be honest. It's pretty obvious with Vergo actually. Notice how in an earlier chapter, when using Shigan on Smoker's subordinates, Vergo exhibits no coloring change even though that should be armament haki if the above theory about Rokushiki is true. Yet he clearly changes color when using armament haki now. Edit: then again, I just noticed we're arguing with Forikorder, so it's pretty pointless. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:41 Forikorder wrote: she only knew observation haki not armament haki you can believe that all you want but your wrong its been shown that you dont need special training to learn Haki so unless Oda specifically states that he created a third set of rules for CP9s tech theres no reason not to think its Haki i mean im pretty sure no matter how hard you train its impossible to fly just from leg strength alone and Robs special super punch thing that wasnt actually a punch is definently not reliant on physical power alone It's also impossible to eat a fruit and gain magically powers, and to sense people using your willpower. Your argument doesn't make sense since this isn't a world like our own. Just cause you don't need special training doesn't mean EVERYTHING involves haki. There's no connection there whatsoever. | ||
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