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benston
United States39 Posts
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Yes I'll still watch the movie, I liked Strong World too but there was no difference from Strong World compared to any of the other movies besides the remake movies as they did not contract anything major and could have happened. Maybe the Strawhats really did participate in a pirate race, maybe Zoro did have another rival besides Kuina and maybe the crew really did chase a bird dog that stole Luffy's hat. Certainly those events are at least more believable to be not mentioned as it can be easily imagined that the crew would have many side adventures that were just for fun. | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
Aw, I really wan to see more of garp, and the admiral opinion of him. It would be nice, if there is interview, asking the admiral qns like. How strong is garp? Compare with u all? .. something like that. | ||
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b3n3tt3
595 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Some parts of One piece Z is canon, some aren't. For example + Show Spoiler + Aokiji's leg is made up of ice in this movie. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
Whatever happens in the movies has absolutly nothing to do with the real story -,- | ||
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mokumoku
157 Posts
On December 02 2012 23:23 KalWarkov wrote: shiki is admiral level and above if you only take what u know from him in the manga. Whatever happens in the movies has absolutly nothing to do with the real story -,- This^ Shiki was Rogers rival. He also went against Garp and Sengoku. Luffy wouldn't have stood a chance against Shiki. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
One Piece episode 575 is out called Z's Ambition! Lily the Little Giant! Looks like it will be just setup for the One Piece movie like the other anime episodes that were before Strong Worlds release. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:44 BlackMagister wrote: All of the other cannon villains had important effects or showed up again themselves. Arlong never showed up again, but he gave Luffy a bounty, cemented Nami's loyalty and influenced Luffy's relationship with fishmen. At the bare minimum major villains were important to the character development like Kuro or Don Kreig. Probably the least important major villain was Foxy, but Shiki's influence was just a repeat of Arlong's holding Nami against her will trauma as Nami was already loyal to the crew. One Piece episode 575 is out called Z's Ambition! Lily the Little Giant! Looks like it will be just setup for the One Piece movie like the other anime episodes that were before Strong Worlds release. Luffy beating Arlong had some importance in the fishman arc and might come into a play again when they meet up with Jimbei again does foxy really count as a villain...? he was so minor and was in the manga for such a short time he was really jsut a sideshow for the lulz | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On December 02 2012 23:14 b3n3tt3 wrote: shiki just stood there and tanked luffy's big attack. That's definitely not admiral level LOL + Show Spoiler + Some parts of One piece Z is canon, some aren't. For example + Show Spoiler + Aokiji's leg is made up of ice in this movie. Yeah. From what I've heard Oda is working on the designs of the characters, but not the story. So the appearance of the characters are canon, but their actions aren't (as weird as that sounds). On December 03 2012 01:01 mokumoku wrote: This^ Shiki was Rogers rival. He also went against Garp and Sengoku. Luffy wouldn't have stood a chance against Shiki. That was like what, 20 years ago? It was also back when Shiki didn't have swords for legs. You can't honestly believe he was as strong when he fought luffy as he was when he fought Garp and Sengoku. That would be completely ignoring the disabilities he received AND the fact that he got older and weaker. Garp may still be strong right now, but I'm positive he was much stronger back in the day when he was out fighting Roger. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 04 2012 06:52 killa_robot wrote: Yeah. From what I've heard Oda is working on the designs of the characters, but not the story. So the appearance of the characters are canon, but their actions aren't (as weird as that sounds). That was like what, 20 years ago? It was also back when Shiki didn't have swords for legs. You can't honestly believe he was as strong when he fought luffy as he was when he fought Garp and Sengoku. That would be completely ignoring the disabilities he received AND the fact that he got older and weaker. Garp may still be strong right now, but I'm positive he was much stronger back in the day when he was out fighting Roger. just like whitebeard got weaker as he got older? haki ignores age and having swords for legs isnt that much of a disability as long as you can keep your balance if whitebeard can be ancient and still that badass, and if Rayleigh can still take on an admiral no prob then Shiki is still admiral level | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On December 04 2012 07:08 Forikorder wrote: just like whitebeard got weaker as he got older? haki ignores age and having swords for legs isnt that much of a disability as long as you can keep your balance if whitebeard can be ancient and still that badass, and if Rayleigh can still take on an admiral no prob then Shiki is still admiral level I don't recall Shiki ever displaying haki, so not sure why you feel that applies to him. Whitebeard was a damn monster, and was seen as such, while Shiki was powerful before mainly because he amassed a huge army. Rayleigh was first mate of Roger (who was tied with Whitebeard for the most powerful man) and he's mastered Haki. Neither of your examples have any real relation to Shiki, other than the era they were in. Not to mention Shiki was incredibly arrogant vs Luffy, so he wasn't fighting as smart as he could have. Luffy also had the help of Billy AND the thunderstorm, so it's not like it was just Luffy beating Shiki 1v1. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On December 04 2012 05:47 Forikorder wrote: Luffy beating Arlong had some importance in the fishman arc and might come into a play again when they meet up with Jimbei again does foxy really count as a villain...? he was so minor and was in the manga for such a short time he was really jsut a sideshow for the lulz Foxy is alluded to when Luffy fell into Hancock's bath, he thought it's a slow beam. Luffy's reaction wouldn't have made sense if you remove Foxy. Not very important but it's something. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:16 killa_robot wrote: I don't recall Shiki ever displaying haki, so not sure why you feel that applies to him. Whitebeard was a damn monster, and was seen as such, while Shiki was powerful before mainly because he amassed a huge army. Rayleigh was first mate of Roger (who was tied with Whitebeard for the most powerful man) and he's mastered Haki. Neither of your examples have any real relation to Shiki, other than the era they were in. Not to mention Shiki was incredibly arrogant vs Luffy, so he wasn't fighting as smart as he could have. Luffy also had the help of Billy AND the thunderstorm, so it's not like it was just Luffy beating Shiki 1v1. you cant get to admiral level and not know how to use Haki its just not possible, even without formal haki training youd still figure out how to use it on your own Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Shiki are all from the same era, the 2 former managed to continue being complete monsters so saying Shiki got old is no good excuse, Shiki might have had a big army but it was already shown he was a complete badass when it took Garp AND sengoku to manage to subdue him | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On December 04 2012 08:49 Forikorder wrote: you cant get to admiral level and not know how to use Haki its just not possible, even without formal haki training youd still figure out how to use it on your own Rayleigh, Whitebeard and Shiki are all from the same era, the 2 former managed to continue being complete monsters so saying Shiki got old is no good excuse, Shiki might have had a big army but it was already shown he was a complete badass when it took Garp AND sengoku to manage to subdue him Shiki never used haki. You can't just say "well he fought X so he HAS to know haki". Haki doesn't work that way. It's entirely possible he went his whole life using only his devil fruit, and ignoring haki. Okay, Shiki got old AND was locked in prison, hows that? You're not even making a point here, you're just saying he needs to be powerful by association, which isn't true at all. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 04 2012 09:02 killa_robot wrote: Shiki never used haki. You can't just say "well he fought X so he HAS to know haki". Haki doesn't work that way. It's entirely possible he went his whole life using only his devil fruit, and ignoring haki. Okay, Shiki got old AND was locked in prison, hows that? You're not even making a point here, you're just saying he needs to be powerful by association, which isn't true at all. you cant ignore Haki... its just something that the strong can use regardless of training or not its impossible for just the human body to witshtand the sort of damage that happens at admiral level even if its unconsiously Shiki used Haki why would they even consider Shiki strong if he couldnt use haki? any logia user could have wiped the floor with him since hed be unable to even hit him and why wouldnt he know how to use Haki? did he just never know about Haki ever? its completely ridiculous to assume he had no idea how to use Haki Whitebeard was ages old and spent most of his time hooked up to machines pretty sure he wasnt in better health then Shiki yet Whitebeard was still the strongest in the world | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On December 04 2012 09:42 Forikorder wrote: you cant ignore Haki... its just something that the strong can use regardless of training or not its impossible for just the human body to witshtand the sort of damage that happens at admiral level even if its unconsiously Shiki used Haki why would they even consider Shiki strong if he couldnt use haki? any logia user could have wiped the floor with him since hed be unable to even hit him and why wouldnt he know how to use Haki? did he just never know about Haki ever? its completely ridiculous to assume he had no idea how to use Haki Whitebeard was ages old and spent most of his time hooked up to machines pretty sure he wasnt in better health then Shiki yet Whitebeard was still the strongest in the world I don't recall Shiki being shown to even use Haki in the movie. Can you site which part at least to have proof that he has Haki? Also, you are saying if he went against admiral level logia users, we would need haki. But he went against garp and sengoku who are not logia DF users. So what is the relevance? Whitebeard also isn't logia type. If you want to cite his first commander (phoenix guy) maybe at the time Shiki wasn;'t imprisoned, that guy wasn't even part of the crew so it doesn't matter and Shiki didn't have to fight him. Yes, it would be impossible to fight a logia user without knowing Haki, but when has shiki ever been shown to use Haki or go against a logia type. We also don't have a direct timeline to cite whether Akainu, Kizaru and the ice guy were even admirals already back then or even if they had their logia powers back when Shiki supposedly attacked the base. So as long as we don't have actual references to pull out "facts" or canon, then Shiki does not have Haki, period. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 04 2012 09:54 17Sphynx17 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On December 04 2012 09:42 Forikorder wrote: you cant ignore Haki... its just something that the strong can use regardless of training or not its impossible for just the human body to witshtand the sort of damage that happens at admiral level even if its unconsiously Shiki used Haki why would they even consider Shiki strong if he couldnt use haki? any logia user could have wiped the floor with him since hed be unable to even hit him and why wouldnt he know how to use Haki? did he just never know about Haki ever? its completely ridiculous to assume he had no idea how to use Haki Whitebeard was ages old and spent most of his time hooked up to machines pretty sure he wasnt in better health then Shiki yet Whitebeard was still the strongest in the world I don't recall Shiki being shown to even use Haki in the movie. Can you site which part at least to have proof that he has Haki? Also, you are saying if he went against admiral level logia users, we would need haki. But he went against garp and sengoku who are not logia DF users. So what is the relevance? Whitebeard also isn't logia type. If you want to cite his first commander (phoenix guy) maybe at the time Shiki wasn;'t imprisoned, that guy wasn't even part of the crew so it doesn't matter and Shiki didn't have to fight him. Yes, it would be impossible to fight a logia user without knowing Haki, but when has shiki ever been shown to use Haki or go against a logia type. We also don't have a direct timeline to cite whether Akainu, Kizaru and the ice guy were even admirals already back then or even if they had their logia powers back when Shiki supposedly attacked the base. So as long as we don't have actual references to pull out "facts" or canon, then Shiki does not have Haki, period. you ahve to have Haki to be taht strong unless he never fought anyone who had haki if he didnt have haki then him fighting Garp would be like Nami trying to punch out Luffy you NEED Haki of at least some level or your attacks are like wet noodles unless im wrong his fruit only allows him to fly and make other stuff fly its pretty mcuh impossible to use that offensively (unless you drop stuff onpeople) so he would need to use haki to reinforce his attacks or else the most basic of armament haki would render his punchs innefective | ||
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benston
United States39 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 04 2012 10:37 benston wrote: one thing that has been on my mind for a while is where are the old admirals im sure these 3 havent been the same 3 for 20 years probably retired and sipping tea with sengoku one of them elder peeps might have been an admiral other admirals might have died in line of duty | ||
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