EPTwhich makes you wonder if df users like luffy could do so bare-handedly? the mechanics of that would be very interesting to see
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Navi
5286 Posts
which makes you wonder if df users like luffy could do so bare-handedly? the mechanics of that would be very interesting to see | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On November 29 2012 11:21 RenSC2 wrote: Within your own response, you seem to believe in an absolute good and evil. Genocide = evil. Breaking treaties = evil. Forced human displacement = evil. I agree and so would most people. When you break it down, the US government did some very poor things to gain its power and is now the single most powerful human entity in the world. Yet, very few people see it as purely a government of justice simply because it is powerful. Many of its own citizens criticize it on many different fronts on a daily basis. Those who defend it don't defend it based on "it's powerful, so it's right". Instead, they defend it based on the good actions that it does take. The criticism and defense is based on interpretations of absolute good and evil, not based on power. Essentially, there is an absolute good that supersedes the philosophy of "might makes right". By giving characters such great depth, what Oda does beautifully in One Piece is to show how people can justify their actions along false philosophical beliefs (as they do in real life). The corrupt World Government talks about justice as they slaughter pirates (and even scared marines) running from battle. And then Doflamingo puts the philosophy beautifully into words (as you quoted) as his own justification to explain his own actions and those of the marines. Yet the characters we think of as good don't talk about justice. Whitebeard didn't want justice, he wanted to protect his "family". Luffy didn't want justice, he wanted to save his brother. Shanks didn't want justice, he wanted to stop the war from spiraling out of control which would leave the marines weakened and the new world order (the Yonko) even more unbalanced which would throw the whole world into even worse chaos (he wants to protect the world). When looking at the War of the Best as an onlooker cheering for Luffy, we can see that the truly good don't always triumph. Citizens all around the world cheer Whitebeard's death, but the world proves to be worse off after it happens. The ordinary citizens of One Piece are blinded by those in power and their "justice", but as an onlooker from the heavens, we know that true justice didn't prevail. That message is much more difficult to receive when it comes to real life and things that directly involve us, and I think it's a very important message that Oda is trying to convey. Not absolute, it constantly changes depend on whatever new information that can change whatever opinion someone holds. For example, some 200 years ago owning slaves was perffectly Ok. hell we fought for our independence while still practicing slavery. Aka Inu is someone who views justice absolute, either you are with him or you get magma punch up the ass, there is no in between, while on contrast Aokiji refuses to depart with his logic when he makes his decisions. He's normally depicted to be lazy and don't wanna be bother with troublesome stuffs, yet he fought tooth and nail with Aka Inu for the top seat of the Marines, why? For sure he's not doing this for his own ambitions, I can't wait for Oda to go more in depth on Aokiji. | ||
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absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
Bleach has been cringe-worthy for so long, sort of painful to read it. | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:06 absalom86 wrote: Bleach has been cringe-worthy for so long, sort of painful to read it. Everybody reads bleach to finish what they've started. | ||
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MajuGarzett
Canada635 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:00 Navi wrote: something to note, vergo broke smoker's jutte (which was covered with his haki as well, judging by its color) which makes you wonder if df users like luffy could do so bare-handedly? the mechanics of that would be very interesting to see I think the colour of the jutte was seastone's natural colour. It does seem possible that haki users could have broken it by hand though. Possibly even without a df. Edit: Actually, didn't Boa break it with a kick once? | ||
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benston
United States39 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:38 MajuGarzett wrote: I think the colour of the jutte was seastone's natural colour. It does seem possible that haki users could have broken it by hand though. Possibly even without a df. Edit: Actually, didn't Boa break it with a kick once? i dunno, just looking around at other chapters (pre haki as well) it seems white in its natural color (the jutte that is) | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:38 MajuGarzett wrote: I think the colour of the jutte was seastone's natural colour. It does seem possible that haki users could have broken it by hand though. Possibly even without a df. Edit: Actually, didn't Boa break it with a kick once? the only part thats seastone is the tip otherwise smoker couldnt hold it | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On November 29 2012 12:24 Mykill wrote: Everybody reads bleach to finish what they've started. Or because they enjoy it like me. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On top of that, because haki is not activated naturally at all times, there is a chance that ppl who are weak at observation haki get pick off by suprise attacks. If I have a choice to master one of these 2 colors of haki i would choose the observation haki. I know how Aokiji was managed to not even get hurt when whitebread stab through his body. He saw through where whitebread was ganna stab him, and morph his body to make a hole for that huge sward on top of spear thingy through. | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18773 Posts
On November 29 2012 13:06 benston wrote: i wonder where aokiji is right now in my mind i want him to join the strawhats but i know that will never happen yeah aokiji and marco are the ones I want to know what will happen with them | ||
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david0925
212 Posts
i wonder where aokiji is right now in my mind i want him to join the strawhats but i know that will never happen I don't know, I actually he he'd be a great fit for the crew. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On November 29 2012 16:55 david0925 wrote: I don't know, I actually he he'd be a great fit for the crew. The guy who helped destroy Robin's island, and who personally killed a close friend of hers, would be a great fit? Sure, why not lol. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On November 29 2012 17:29 killa_robot wrote: The guy who helped destroy Robin's island, and who personally killed a close friend of hers, would be a great fit? Sure, why not lol. Well I m not quite sure if Aokiji was actually part of the 5 VA tht lead the buster call (i think he was though) but hin killing sauro was part of his duty because he was a traitor but as a favour to his friend he let robin go also in the present he let the SH go thrice already while he could have easily captured them twice after the Enies Lobby arc. Pretimeskip he, along with Garp and sengoku, was pretty much embodient of what we expect from the Marines Justice ( minus the lazy part :p) Will be interesting to see how his stance on the whole justice thig has changed after akainu tool over but i also dont like the idea of him joining the crew because he's one of the selected few in whole world to wipe the floor with 99% of the new world and go toe to toe with the yonkou and the SH need to make power progress. I actually expect him to be revolutionary army material. You guys think Law was speakig about Pacifista when he mentioned the Marine Force or maybe even sth else. | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
If the mangas to stay interesting,pre-introduced strong characters shouldn't all join the same team. | ||
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DrunkenHomer
66 Posts
But which organisation? Rebells, pirate crew or maybe a new marine group along with garp and sengoku... | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
Aokiji will not be an enemy of SH, pretty sure of this. | ||
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Razhil
Belgium208 Posts
On November 29 2012 15:57 saltywet wrote: Doflamingo loses his smile Actually, we don't see Don flamingo at all in this chapter (except on the last page showing nearly all involved characters). What we see is a Den den mushi. I mean, we saw a freaking snail ! xD And just by seeing it we deduce emotions from the character it's representing. Genius. PS: I know it's not new or anything, Oda did it a whole bunch of times already. But I just like that so much that I wanted to make that remark here xD | ||
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