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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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DrunkenHomer
66 Posts
Though i didnt like how Law was able too cut Vergo in half with one slice... i mean he is introduced as one of the most powerfull Haki users and 1 sec later he is cut in half =/...shouldnt a strong enough haki be able to defend against laws DF? | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:39 FractalsOnFire wrote: Yes technically anything within his sphere of influence (which it seems he's greatly expanded) is able to be moved by him. The only question is, can he manipulate the atoms in a gas? Solid objects we definitely know he can change to his liking. Thinking about it, can he 'realise' the manipulations he makes? So instead of being just cutting the body in half and leaving him, could he actually leave him cut in half, turn off his ability which will then make him bleed? If so that would MEGA OP. smoker and law got there heart cut out and unless he had a room big enough to encase the entire new world (since Vergo had his heart and was still doing his job as a marine) then once something is cut by his ability it stays that way until it gets put back together | ||
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OskO
Argentina369 Posts
On November 29 2012 00:30 Sableyeah wrote: Truth. I always read Bleach then Naruto then One Piece and it'll seem like I had a good day. Need to know more about Law to know his motives. Maybe with the revolutionaries. I guess I'm not alone  | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
Yea been doing this for years. Makes me appreciate the later ones so much moar | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On November 28 2012 22:06 OskO wrote: Assuming he used his powers... I think he pretty much can manipulate the stuff inside the "room" in the way he wants to. So I'm guessing that's enough to think that he can keep the gas outside in some way or put the building together before a massive amount of gas goes in. But yeah... that's a big ass "room" he casted there, that's what you get when you go all greedy on him, if you know what I mean.- I'm pretty sure he we have already seen him manipulate snow and water when he fought smoker/g5 outside. It shouldn't be a stretch that he can control gas too. Armament Haki seems to help when attacked by Law but I think the real thing is speed is the way to counter his ability. Also this arc shouldn't be over yet remember we still have Baby5 and that other guy on the way. And I don't understand way so many people here complain about bleach if you don't like it why do you read it? That's what I did  .Also this is the first time we have seen DFlamingo not only not laughing but not even smiling. One might say he is SAD. har har har. | ||
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benston
United States39 Posts
On November 29 2012 02:30 terranghost wrote: I'm pretty sure he we have already seen him manipulate snow and water when he fought smoker/g5 outside. It shouldn't be a stretch that he can control gas too. Armament Haki seems to help when attacked by Law but I think the real thing is speed is the way to counter his ability. Also this arc shouldn't be over yet remember we still have Baby5 and that other guy on the way. And I don't understand way so many people here complain about bleach if you don't like it why do you read it? That's what I did .Also this is the first time we have seen DFlamingo not only not laughing but not even smiling. One might say he is SAD. har har har. lol | ||
ArvickHero
10387 Posts
On November 29 2012 01:05 DrunkenHomer wrote: flamingo is the most interesting character in OP right now imo. Though i didnt like how Law was able too cut Vergo in half with one slice... i mean he is introduced as one of the most powerfull Haki users and 1 sec later he is cut in half =/...shouldnt a strong enough haki be able to defend against laws DF? I take it as part of proving the point about the new generation trumping the last generation lol | ||
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On November 29 2012 01:05 BlackMagister wrote: While it's cool for Law to be a badass it either makes him too strong or somehow you have to show that other people have even stronger hakis than Vergo or it just becomes weird. It is the invisible power level problem/feature of DBZ how can you tell when someone is stronger when everyone looks the same or the guy who looks weaker is actually stronger. Yes One Piece has already does this with muscles, but I'm just annoyed this is adding another thing that can't be gauged by readers which is haki levels. The thing about Law's ability, is that he can't actually "hurt" Vergo at all with it. Yeah he can cut him in half, but Vergo will still be fine. I like the fact that anyone can be stronger than anyone. As for the haki thing, Doflamingo was talking about an event that seemed to have happened a while ago (Vergo beating Law), so it's entirely possible Law has either improved since then, or Vergo had his heart at that time too. I think this was also Oda's way of show that it's not haki > all. A lot of people were afraid one piece would just turn into a "who has the highest haki" contest, and so we were shown that Vergo, a person who supposedly has excellent Haki, can still be beaten. Like someone mentioned earlier, brute force haki is probably not the best way to deal with Law's ability. Vergo probably could use Haki as a base defense vs some of Law's weaker attacks, but for his more focused attacks Vergo should have dodged. | ||
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
On November 29 2012 04:20 killa_robot wrote: The thing about Law's ability, is that he can't actually "hurt" Vergo at all with it. Yeah he can cut him in half, but Vergo will still be fine. I like the fact that anyone can be stronger than anyone. As for the haki thing, Doflamingo was talking about an event that seemed to have happened a while ago (Vergo beating Law), so it's entirely possible Law has either improved since then, or Vergo had his heart at that time too. I think this was also Oda's way of show that it's not haki > all. A lot of people were afraid one piece would just turn into a "who has the highest haki" contest, and so we were shown that Vergo, a person who supposedly has excellent Haki, can still be beaten. Like someone mentioned earlier, brute force haki is probably not the best way to deal with Law's ability. Vergo probably could use Haki as a base defense vs some of Law's weaker attacks, but for his more focused attacks Vergo should have dodged. That's a good point. Since many people got devil fruits and haki in the new world, it's not about MOAR POWER but more skill. It seems that intelligence and skill determine more fighting results now. Back in the days random devil fruit > everything, then logia > everything, then haki > everything. And by letting a good haki fighter like Vergo die, Oda tells us that everything counts equally in a fight. *_* Love that balance! | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32747 Posts
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RenSC2
United States1084 Posts
On November 29 2012 05:34 PhoenixVoid wrote: It was disappointing watching Vergo be cut down so easily with Law's ability, considering that Vergo was shown as some incredibly powerful Haki user which should have let him be immune, but it just displays the difference between Whitebeard's generation and the new one. Think of it as a powerful character channeling all of his energy into an ultra-thin slice backed up by a devil fruit ability that's designed to slice versus a very powerful haki user who spread his haki over his entire body rather than at a single point of attack. Vergo thought he was so much more powerful that he could just go into haki-hero mode and Law wouldn't be able to touch him. As it turns out, Law had gained a lot of ability in the years since and Vergo protected himself improperly. The irony of it being that Vergo just criticized Smoker for making himself an easier target by turning into a large mass of smoke (less focused). If Vergo had channeled all of his haki into his bamboo like he did against Smoker, he probably could have repelled the attack. His arrogance made him lose. Still, it looks like I have to bump Law up the charts on my Shichibukai power rankings. edit: pointed out the irony. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1084 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:48 We Are Here wrote: "Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!" -Don Flamingo Perhaps the greatest beauty of One Piece is the depth that each character has and understanding that depth really gives an even greater appreciation for One Piece. That quote is DoFlamingo's justification for being evil. It's a justification that many people believe in, in the real world and in One Piece. That's especially true when looking at the World Government of One Piece. Yet, it's not the message that the author is truly trying to send. I doubt you will ever hear one of the good guys in One Piece utter that line, only the bad guys. The author does show true justice and evil from characters on all sides. If you read carefully, you'll see that the author has set up some characters as the truly just (Strawhats, Coby) and they're not always the victors, while some of the victors are evil and will never be true justice. On November 28 2012 16:41 rei wrote: + Show Spoiler + The pirate king is the one who has the most freedom in the sea! and yes the author is teaching, and I am learning because I do think and I very much appreciate one piece.Part of what I love about Blackbeard as a villain is that he shares the same dream as Luffy and he almost seems like a good guy in that clip. They're two sides to the same coin. Blackbeard has chosen a sociopathic route where he will hurt, betray, and/or kill anyone to achieving his dream while Luffy has chosen a much more compassionate route where he will sacrifice himself to help and save others. Combined, these two show that it's not just your desires that make you good or evil, but also how you attempt to achieve them. | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On November 29 2012 07:41 RenSC2 wrote: Perhaps the greatest beauty of One Piece is the depth that each character has and understanding that depth really gives an even greater appreciation for One Piece. That quote is DoFlamingo's justification for being evil. It's a justification that many people believe in, in the real world and in One Piece. That's especially true when looking at the World Government of One Piece. Yet, it's not the message that the author is truly trying to send. I doubt you will ever hear one of the good guys in One Piece utter that line, only the bad guys. The author does show true justice and evil from characters on all sides. If you read carefully, you'll see that the author has set up some characters as the truly just (Strawhats, Coby) and they're not always the victors, while some of the victors are evil and will never be true justice. Part of what I love about Blackbeard as a villain is that he shares the same dream as Luffy and he almost seems like a good guy in that clip. They're two sides to the same coin. Blackbeard has chosen a sociopathic route where he will hurt, betray, and/or kill anyone to achieving his dream while Luffy has chosen a much more compassionate route where he will sacrifice himself to help and save others. Combined, these two show that it's not just your desires that make you good or evil, but also how you attempt to achieve them. The Doflamingo quote is true, there is no absolute good and evil, and example in our history US government destroy American Indians put them in reservations, and breaks the treaties over and over again forcing tons of them move from one place to another to make room for for the rest of us white people, Evil? fuck ya, how often do children of usa learn about this at school? and all the shameful shits the government did? not much, because we won, victors write the histories, and the later generation has to go ask the losers what happened from their point of view to find out more of the facts so that they can think critically and from their own version of what happened. This is the same reason how the Dark king told Robin to look for the history herself, because anything he tells her will be influence by his own interpretation of what happened, based on what he found out. for all he knows Robin could have find even more facts than him and arrive at a different conclusion on what happened. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
RenSC2 you do bring up an interesting point about how Don Flamingo is saying that to justify his actions, I had never thought of that. | ||
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
Don Flamingo's quote is one of the best indeed. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1084 Posts
On November 29 2012 09:18 rei wrote: The Doflamingo quote is true, there is no absolute good and evil, and example in our history US government destroy American Indians put them in reservations, and breaks the treaties over and over again forcing tons of them move from one place to another to make room for for the rest of us white people, Evil? fuck ya, how often do children of usa learn about this at school? and all the shameful shits the government did? not much, because we won, victors write the histories, and the later generation has to go ask the losers what happened from their point of view to find out more of the facts so that they can think critically and from their own version of what happened. This is the same reason how the Dark king told Robin to look for the history herself, because anything he tells her will be influence by his own interpretation of what happened, based on what he found out. for all he knows Robin could have find even more facts than him and arrive at a different conclusion on what happened. Within your own response, you seem to believe in an absolute good and evil. Genocide = evil. Breaking treaties = evil. Forced human displacement = evil. I agree and so would most people. When you break it down, the US government did some very poor things to gain its power and is now the single most powerful human entity in the world. Yet, very few people see it as purely a government of justice simply because it is powerful. Many of its own citizens criticize it on many different fronts on a daily basis. Those who defend it don't defend it based on "it's powerful, so it's right". Instead, they defend it based on the good actions that it does take. The criticism and defense is based on interpretations of absolute good and evil, not based on power. Essentially, there is an absolute good that supersedes the philosophy of "might makes right". By giving characters such great depth, what Oda does beautifully in One Piece is to show how people can justify their actions along false philosophical beliefs (as they do in real life). The corrupt World Government talks about justice as they slaughter pirates (and even scared marines) running from battle. And then Doflamingo puts the philosophy beautifully into words (as you quoted) as his own justification to explain his own actions and those of the marines. Yet the characters we think of as good don't talk about justice. Whitebeard didn't want justice, he wanted to protect his "family". Luffy didn't want justice, he wanted to save his brother. Shanks didn't want justice, he wanted to stop the war from spiraling out of control which would leave the marines weakened and the new world order (the Yonko) even more unbalanced which would throw the whole world into even worse chaos (he wants to protect the world). When looking at the War of the Best as an onlooker cheering for Luffy, we can see that the truly good don't always triumph. Citizens all around the world cheer Whitebeard's death, but the world proves to be worse off after it happens. The ordinary citizens of One Piece are blinded by those in power and their "justice", but as an onlooker from the heavens, we know that true justice didn't prevail. That message is much more difficult to receive when it comes to real life and things that directly involve us, and I think it's a very important message that Oda is trying to convey. | ||
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jbui
United States193 Posts
On November 29 2012 01:48 SHr3DD3r wrote: Yea been doing this for years. Makes me appreciate the later ones so much moar LOL I do this too, but I do admit, I could've done with reading Naruto last this week it was a good chapter | ||
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