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benston
United States39 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 28 2012 13:14 benston wrote: a serious question tho, Was Gold Roger a more heinous criminal than Dragon because they keep saying they are both very evil. I wonder which the government wanted dead the most Roger for sure, Dragon was bad as a member of the revolutionaries and all but Roger was stronger then him and was going around spreading widespread chaos all over and stretching there resources, if Dragon died someone else leads the army but without roger theres noone to inspire more pirates (although his last words kinda bent them over) | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 28 2012 13:47 rei wrote: I think the author been trying to teach the readers that there is no such thing as black and white, right and wrong, good and evil. When the fishmens ask if the straw hats are good or bad guys, luffy told them to decide that by themselves. It all depend on from what perspective someone is looking at a situation / person. Another example, Nami is a thief, she stole ton of valuables from others, from the perspective of those victims she's definitely evil, but since we the readers knows her back ground story and knows that she has a selfless reason on doing all the stealing we don't see her as evil. nami was stealing from pirates and pirates alone... i really dont think this manga is about black and white, thats what codebreaker is trying to show, one piece its very obvious you have the good strawhats against people like Crocodile and Caeser who are obviously evil theres been no redeeming qualities shown about the tenryuubito theres been a very hard line between whats black and whats white so far | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
On November 28 2012 13:47 rei wrote: I think the author been trying to teach the readers that there is no such thing as black and white, right and wrong, good and evil. When the fishmens ask if the straw hats are good or bad guys, luffy told them to decide that by themselves. It all depend on from what perspective someone is looking at a situation / person. Another example, Nami is a thief, she stole ton of valuables from others, from the perspective of those victims she's definitely evil, but since we the readers knows her back ground story and knows that she has a selfless reason on doing all the stealing we don't see her as evil. no i disagree completely. Strawhats are good. Evil guy is evil. Ceasar, crocodile, heck even rob lucci who is supposed to be a "good guy" working for the marines is seen as evil. Don krieg. Just about every single villan you dont see any redeming qualities in them. Its VERY black and white this manga. Its not exactly game of thrones. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On November 28 2012 14:06 rei wrote: all pirates are bad? nami stole from luffy when they first meet right? thought luffy is a pirate. and of course you can find characters who has no redeeming qualities, and in the same time i can find those who has. luffy only had that treasure cause she stole it from buggy | ||
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cozzE
Australia357 Posts
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On November 28 2012 15:29 cozzE wrote: Where is the latest jump at? Usually on wednesday (11/28/12 this week) edit:derped | ||
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RenSC2
United States1102 Posts
The marines & world government: Generally corrupt and overzealous in the One Piece world. Akainu seems to be pretty bad. The Tenryubito are bad. However, what about a guy like Kizaru? He seems to do his job as a marine and protect order against guys like the Strawhats, but doesn't seem overzealous. Akioji seems like he might flip to being completely good. The incident at Ohara effected him. He then let the Straw Hats escape once on that Long island after only freezing two of them (he could have annihilated them) and completely let them escape when they were in Water 7. He seems quite conflicted between duty and doing what's right and now he's completely out of the marines. Same goes for Garp, who is clearly good, but still has a sense of duty to the Marines. Smoker is a character who seems to be a good guy that hates corruption, but is overzealous and is an enemy of the Strawhats. Even Sengoku tended towards good, but wasn't above using brutal tactics against the Whitebeard Pirates that he felt necessary to hide from the world. And don't forget Vegapunk, who seems to care about people and want to help, but then also creates extremely powerful machines of war which are often used for evil. You could then go to the Shichibukai. Hancock is in love with Luffy and will help the main good guy, but otherwise seems pretty evil (pirate raids, turns own allies to stone, kicks small animals). Kuma was part of the revolutionaries, who seem to be good guys, but now he's a puppet of the corrupt government. Mihawk seems to tend towards good, but he's not above battling the Whitebeards or even trying to kill Luffy. Law has a reputation for brutality, but has helped Luffy for no reason and is now allied with Luffy... but could still be doing it for evil reasons. We could continue on and on with other pirates and characters within the One Piece world. I don't feel that the author is trying to teach that there's no such thing as black and white because clearly the Strawhats are the good guys and there are plenty of bad guys. However, he does seem to leave a lot of grey area too. More than anything, I think he wants you to use some critical thinking based on the actions of the characters to determine if they are good or evil (or somewhere in-between) and not prejudge characters based on their titles... whether it be government, revolutionary, pirate, or other of various different races. It wouldn't even shock me if one or a few of the Tenryubito end up being truly good despite being set up to be so corrupt and evil. | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
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rei
United States3594 Posts
The pirate king is the one who has the most freedom in the sea! and yes the author is teaching, and I am learning because I do think  and I very much appreciate one piece. | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
what just happened best 3k ever | ||
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eaT_Mi_Lquid
Germany509 Posts
OMG This is the kind of chapter you wait and wait for a year to finally read !!! .... so damn nice ! The conclusion is near my friends !!! | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18773 Posts
Also there are so many sides in this war! | ||
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Navi
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divinesage
Singapore649 Posts
That being said, I still feel Doflamingo won't be a character that will go down so fast. He seems to have dealings in all the underworld matters and will likely avoid direct confrontation until he is forced into a corner. It's because of this reason I like him as a villian so much. He's not your typical bad guy where you overcome him with power. Instead, you need to outwit him and force him into a corner before he falls. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
So Luffy has four big enemies when he leaves the island - Big Mom, Doflamingo, Akainu and Blackbeard. Will be interesting to see who will fall first. ^^ | ||
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SHr3DD3r
Pakistan2137 Posts
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