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On November 20 2012 22:51 Fenrax wrote:
so, for the big war, how will the sides be?
Straw Hats + Rebels + Shanks + Jinbei
vs.
Kaidou + Big Mam + Doflamingo + Blackbeard
vs.
Marine
If OP goes the way it might, Luffy might even deal with all the Emperors except for Blackbeard by the end, or even may ally with them somehow. I somewhat expect other pirates to join Luffy's cause in some epic Pirate vs Marine battle because I doubt Straw Hats + Rebels + Shanks + Jinbei could take on the entire Marine force.
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On November 20 2012 22:51 Fenrax wrote:
so, for the big war, how will the sides be?
Straw Hats + Rebels + Shanks + Jinbei
vs.
Kaidou + Big Mam + Doflamingo + Blackbeard
vs.
Marine
I don't really see them getting involved in a big war like that. I could see the crew fighting Big Mam (as luffy said he would), and dealing with Dolflamingo as they go (since they've pissed him off after this), and finally taking on blackbeard if they ever get the chance. However, I don't see it all happening at once.
Shanks I always imagined as neutral. Even if he likes luffy, both of them have the mentality that being a pirate is about freedom, so I don't see Shanks helping luffy.
Kaidou is probably the one making the "smiles" army. Doflamingo is more about selling them and obtaining power that way, and I don't see Big Mam caring about power past what she needs to get her candy. Then again, when we saw her representatives one of them was a zoan (more than likely), so it's certainly possible it's her.
Jinbei should join the crew after disbanding his own crew, so he'd probably be included in strawhats.
I have no idea what the rebels will do, but I'm almost certain they'll only be focusing on the marines.
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On November 21 2012 06:37 maze. wrote:Oda foreshadowed the smile Zoan Devil Fruit four years ago. I can't believe how good he is. + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, I had no idea on that reference. Sometimes I assume it's a bit of an awkward translation so it's really hard to pick those references up.
One of my favorite references is the first appearance of Rayleigh. What chapter did he first appear in? Sabaody Archipelago arc? Nope.
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As far as end-game battles go. I'm thinking there are at least two separate ones. First will be Luffy + a confederation of pirate allies that he has built up over a long period of time (Kuja, Fishmen, Heart, etc.) versus Blackbeard and his allies for the One Piece. However, after that, I still think there will be a battle between the revolutionaries and Luffy's pirate army versus the corrupt government and pirates like Doflamingo. Then again, Luffy may shirk that responsibility and maybe we'll be left with an ongoing war as Luffy sails off (or even dies) as the pirate king.
edit: I also think Shanks has some understanding of the "will of D" since he was a member of Gol D Roger's crew. He may think that Luffy is some sort of chosen one. So don't be shocked if Shanks is willing to get involved and fight for Luffy, even to his own death. He already gave one arm "for the future". Whitebeard seemed to acknowledge that there was something special in Luffy too when he met him and also told Marshall D Teach that he was "not the one"... kind of implying that Luffy was the one and agreeing with Shanks.
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i think this chapter confirms that Law is planning to attack Kaidou
hes after the SAD's that Caesor makes that somehow turn into "smiles" (man made devil fruit) and we know Kaidou has an army of "smiles" i think Law found some way to use "sads" to make a bomb or something that negates/kills "smiles" and is gonna use it to get rid of Kaidous army
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On November 21 2012 14:27 Forikorder wrote:
i think this chapter confirms that Law is planning to attack Kaidou
hes after the SAD's that Caesor makes that somehow turn into "smiles" (man made devil fruit) and we know Kaidou has an army of "smiles" i think Law found some way to use "sads" to make a bomb or something that negates/kills "smiles" and is gonna use it to get rid of Kaidous army
We know one of the yonkos has an army of Smiles(Zoan type DF user).
There is no indication what properties SAD has, so I don´t think it´s viable to make a bomb. More likely that Law will either reverse engineer SAD for a weakness or use it himself to make Zoan DFs and empower his crew/allies.
I think though, that Big Mom is the owner of the Smile army, as we have prominently seen 1 Zoan DF and we already have an involvement with Big Mom(Luffa declared Fishman island his turf/declared war on her).
It would be very befuddling if all this backstory gets introduced, the foreshadowing gets explained and then we shove half of that to the side while we introduce a new, completely unknown army of characters.
Thinking this island is the first in a bigger story arc(like whisky peak island is the start of the alabasta arc). We´re getting introduced to a lot of characters right now, it would be kinda wasted if it was just some infodump.
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On November 21 2012 14:46 Mataza wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 14:27 Forikorder wrote:
i think this chapter confirms that Law is planning to attack Kaidou
hes after the SAD's that Caesor makes that somehow turn into "smiles" (man made devil fruit) and we know Kaidou has an army of "smiles" i think Law found some way to use "sads" to make a bomb or something that negates/kills "smiles" and is gonna use it to get rid of Kaidous army We know one of the yonkos has an army of Smiles(Zoan type DF user). There is no indication what properties SAD has, so I don´t think it´s viable to make a bomb. More likely that Law will either reverse engineer SAD for a weakness or use it himself to make Zoan DFs and empower his crew/allies. I think though, that Big Mom is the owner of the Smile army, as we have prominently seen 1 Zoan DF and we already have an involvement with Big Mom(Luffa declared Fishman island his turf/declared war on her). It would be very befuddling if all this backstory gets introduced, the foreshadowing gets explained and then we shove half of that to the side while we introduce a new, completely unknown army of characters. Thinking this island is the first in a bigger story arc(like whisky peak island is the start of the alabasta arc). We´re getting introduced to a lot of characters right now, it would be kinda wasted if it was just some infodump.
thought that it had explicted said that Kaidou had made the army
anyway we know Law has a plan to take down one of the emprorers and wants the SAD its unlikely he plans to raise an army to fight against one of the emporers if he could do that then hed just go after blackbeard with his army and i doubt he has the men to make an army so he probably figured out some way in the years hes been with caeser to negate the smiles since thats the only way he could significantly weaken one of the emporers especially if that emporer is a smile
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A long time ago, before we were really introduced to Big Mam, I thought she was going to be a good guy like Whitebeard. He's the father to his crew, she's the mother to her crew. I remember Lola's (from Thriller Bark) mother being an unnamed "big deal" in the new world and had guessed the mother to be Big Mam. Nami still has the vivre card, presumably.
Yet, the most recent information of Big Mam has her as this food obsessed lunatic, almost as if her carnal pleasures have taken her over. I wonder if Doflamingo is using a drug cooked up by Ceasar (the SAD) to control Big Mam in some way. It'd be very easy to give it to her in candy shipments to keep her drugged up and under their control. Meanwhile, they create a big army of devil's fruit "smiles" using the pirates already working under her. Then they can have Big Mam do all their dirty work, like fighting Kaido, Shanks, Blackbeard, and/or the World Government without ever getting their hands dirty.
Law could be trying to get his hands on the SAD to reverse engineer it for a cure or to use it to expose the drugging and thus get Big Mam out of Doflamingo's control and gain a very powerful ally.
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On November 21 2012 15:13 RenSC2 wrote:
A long time ago, before we were really introduced to Big Mam, I thought she was going to be a good guy like Whitebeard. He's the father to his crew, she's the mother to her crew. I remember Lola's (from Thriller Bark) mother being an unnamed "big deal" in the new world and had guessed the mother to be Big Mam. Nami still has the vivre card, presumably.
Yet, the most recent information of Big Mam has her as this food obsessed lunatic, almost as if her carnal pleasures have taken her over. I wonder if Doflamingo is using a drug cooked up by Ceasar (the SAD) to control Big Mam in some way. It'd be very easy to give it to her in candy shipments to keep her drugged up and under their control. Meanwhile, they create a big army of devil's fruit "smiles" using the pirates already working under her. Then they can have Big Mam do all their dirty work, like fighting Kaido, Shanks, Blackbeard, and/or the World Government without ever getting their hands dirty.
Law could be trying to get his hands on the SAD to reverse engineer it for a cure or to use it to expose the drugging and thus get Big Mam out of Doflamingo's control and gain a very powerful ally.
10/10 would headcanon
That makes an astounding amount of sense. I even faintly remember that bit from the Thriller Bark saga.
I´m not entirely sure, but wasn´t it said or at least hinted at that the SAD is more or less only for the production of the Zoan DF? I would kinda doubt it is also a substance used for poisoning Big Mom. For one, she doesn´t like anything like a Zoan, and recently all Zoan type users had the courtesy to walk around in half animal form so we can spot them.
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On November 21 2012 15:13 RenSC2 wrote:
A long time ago, before we were really introduced to Big Mam, I thought she was going to be a good guy like Whitebeard. He's the father to his crew, she's the mother to her crew. I remember Lola's (from Thriller Bark) mother being an unnamed "big deal" in the new world and had guessed the mother to be Big Mam. Nami still has the vivre card, presumably.
Yet, the most recent information of Big Mam has her as this food obsessed lunatic, almost as if her carnal pleasures have taken her over. I wonder if Doflamingo is using a drug cooked up by Ceasar (the SAD) to control Big Mam in some way. It'd be very easy to give it to her in candy shipments to keep her drugged up and under their control. Meanwhile, they create a big army of devil's fruit "smiles" using the pirates already working under her. Then they can have Big Mam do all their dirty work, like fighting Kaido, Shanks, Blackbeard, and/or the World Government without ever getting their hands dirty.
Law could be trying to get his hands on the SAD to reverse engineer it for a cure or to use it to expose the drugging and thus get Big Mam out of Doflamingo's control and gain a very powerful ally.
*slow clap
I actually had fragments of this in my head for a while my self, although my thought was the similarity between Big Mam and the PH kids. Like Shes giant and loves candy while the children are being experimented on to be giant via candy which makes me think she MAY have been a former test subject (which could have been at ANY time since that kind of experimentation has been going on for 100s of years.
Also while we still have VERY little info on what/how exactly SAD/SMILE are/work I would think that since smile makes more devil users which were clearly all zoan in that panel, that perhaps the fruit Momonosuke eat was a prototype? That would certainly explain how people would know its a "failure" without eating it if it was part of a batch or something. Also since Momo is clearly stuck in his new form i would think that SAD may be able to help fix him for the better.
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in any event of that scale of battle, with the rebels involved, i think its safe to say that actual nations will also be involved as well. All the nations that luffy has helped along the way will be there to support luffy in this kind of battle.
However, i actually think this kind of battle is closer than we think. If you think about it, every single emperor crew is HUGE other than blackbeard's (although its rumored in the manga that hes building an army). I don't think Oda will deal with every huge crew with just a luffy haki blast. Eventually, allied groups will be involved to neutralize the underlings while the SHC takes on the big names. This is precisely how oda did it in alabasta. So, assuming the next battle is against donflamingo, kaido, or big mam, i think the best question is who will be there with the straw hats? Law?
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On November 24 2012 05:20 JiYan wrote:
in any event of that scale of battle, with the rebels involved, i think its safe to say that actual nations will also be involved as well. All the nations that luffy has helped along the way will be there to support luffy in this kind of battle.
However, i actually think this kind of battle is closer than we think. If you think about it, every single emperor crew is HUGE other than blackbeard's (although its rumored in the manga that hes building an army). I don't think Oda will deal with every huge crew with just a luffy haki blast. Eventually, allied groups will be involved to neutralize the underlings while the SHC takes on the big names. This is precisely how oda did it in alabasta. So, assuming the next battle is against donflamingo, kaido, or big mam, i think the best question is who will be there with the straw hats? Law?
Shanks has a small crew too. We really have no idea of the sizes of the emperors crew sizes. We know next to nothing about Kaido at all, and all we know about Big mam is she has at least like, 10 crew members. Whitebeard was the only emperor we know that had a huge crew, and we can't judge the others just based off of him.
Donflamingo isn't an emperor remember.
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On November 24 2012 06:33 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 05:20 JiYan wrote:
in any event of that scale of battle, with the rebels involved, i think its safe to say that actual nations will also be involved as well. All the nations that luffy has helped along the way will be there to support luffy in this kind of battle.
However, i actually think this kind of battle is closer than we think. If you think about it, every single emperor crew is HUGE other than blackbeard's (although its rumored in the manga that hes building an army). I don't think Oda will deal with every huge crew with just a luffy haki blast. Eventually, allied groups will be involved to neutralize the underlings while the SHC takes on the big names. This is precisely how oda did it in alabasta. So, assuming the next battle is against donflamingo, kaido, or big mam, i think the best question is who will be there with the straw hats? Law? Shanks has a small crew too. We really have no idea of the sizes of the emperors crew sizes. We know next to nothing about Kaido at all, and all we know about Big mam is she has at least like, 10 crew members. Whitebeard was the only emperor we know that had a huge crew, and we can't judge the others just based off of him. Donflamingo isn't an emperor remember.
Shanks doesn't look like the kind of person who amasses a huge amount of people for his crew
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Kidd destroyed two of Big Mam's ships. Her subordinates took it as a big deal, but im assuming two ships are not the full amount of what she owns. I am estimating that Big Mam has 5-10 ships or possibly more. Shanks has at least 20 people in his crew and I am estimating his crew to be well over 40 now. In chapter 96 you can see all the people part of Shanks' crew when mihawk visits him to talk about luffy. Later, Rockstar joins the crew and I think its safe to say hes not the only recruit Shanks has had since luffy's embark.
And i know donflamingo isnt an emperor, but he is definitely in control of a large army. So with blackbeard presumably building a large army, donflamingo with a large army, big mam and shanks with at least a bigger-than-SHC army, i think its also safe to say kaido has a large army too.
Regardless, no nation up until this point has shown internal strength that can match the power of an emperor's army. Case and point is the fact that fishman island, while having neptune's army (arguably the strongest national army we've seen yet) still needs to be under Big Mam for protection. As i said im really looking forward to see who allies with luffy in his next fight because i dont think it'll be a nation backing him up, but another crew / force.
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just because they have an army doesnt mean they sit in the middle of it at all times the soldiers are going to be in there territory watching island and patroling the oceans and poking into other peoples territorys Big Mam will probably be on her personal island with jsut her peraonal peeps assuming they can sneak in they dont have to fight every person in ehr crew
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On November 24 2012 06:59 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:33 killa_robot wrote:On November 24 2012 05:20 JiYan wrote:
in any event of that scale of battle, with the rebels involved, i think its safe to say that actual nations will also be involved as well. All the nations that luffy has helped along the way will be there to support luffy in this kind of battle.
However, i actually think this kind of battle is closer than we think. If you think about it, every single emperor crew is HUGE other than blackbeard's (although its rumored in the manga that hes building an army). I don't think Oda will deal with every huge crew with just a luffy haki blast. Eventually, allied groups will be involved to neutralize the underlings while the SHC takes on the big names. This is precisely how oda did it in alabasta. So, assuming the next battle is against donflamingo, kaido, or big mam, i think the best question is who will be there with the straw hats? Law? Shanks has a small crew too. We really have no idea of the sizes of the emperors crew sizes. We know next to nothing about Kaido at all, and all we know about Big mam is she has at least like, 10 crew members. Whitebeard was the only emperor we know that had a huge crew, and we can't judge the others just based off of him. Donflamingo isn't an emperor remember. Shanks doesn't look like the kind of person who amasses a huge amount of people for his crew
That's what I said?
Are you just agreeing with me or something? lol
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On November 21 2012 11:34 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2012 22:51 Fenrax wrote:
so, for the big war, how will the sides be?
Straw Hats + Rebels + Shanks + Jinbei
vs.
Kaidou + Big Mam + Doflamingo + Blackbeard
vs.
Marine If OP goes the way it might, Luffy might even deal with all the Emperors except for Blackbeard by the end, or even may ally with them somehow. I somewhat expect other pirates to join Luffy's cause in some epic Pirate vs Marine battle because I doubt Straw Hats + Rebels + Shanks + Jinbei could take on the entire Marine force.
You could probably add the remnants of the White Beard pirates to the straw hats side. I'm sure marco and them would ally with them,
Also interested to see what role Crocodile and Buggy play going forward.
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Here's my theory. Big mam is a pirate with a "tea party" theme. Like a little girl with a bunch of stuffed animals drinking tea and playing pretend. She already has a crew member that's a lion and another that looks like a spider so that goes with the stuffed animal theme. Also you can see how she seems like a little girl because of her obsession with candy and her overall temperamental antics with her getting mad and stuff. She's also probably the big user of smile to produce all of these animal fighters and create an unstoppable army probably for enslaving islands and making them create candy.
Next, another drug called sad is being developed by Caesar for Doflamingo. This drug is apparently incredibly dangerous due to Doflamingo valuing it so highly (not killing Caesar because he can produce it). As to what it does, I believe it takes away a person's devil fruit abilities probably for a temporary amount of time. Think about it: sad is the opposite of smile due to the naming convention so it must do something to counteract smile in some way. Also, Law is very interested in obtaining sad because he wants to go up against a yonkou, namely, big mam and needs it to severely weaken her zoan army by taking their abilities and destroying them while they're vulnerable. And Luffy would of course agree to this plan because he's already on bad standing with Big Mam and wouldn't mind taking her out. However, I also believe the whole thing with Lola and her mom being Big Mam is also true and will probably come into play in a very hilarious finale.
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Damn, those predictions are tight as fuck.
There's a possibility Big Mam wasn't even a yonkou prior to Lola's 3 year stay at thriller bark. And that her mother is another honorable person that was a contender for the yonkou spots. Until she was enslaved for smile purposes and amass more power through doflamingo's devil fruit hack. Prior to the events of one piece she undergoes 180 degrees personality shift and becomes a villain due to the candy's side effects. Some time after in the new world, due to her crew being powerful as fuck (100 people with DFs), she eventually kills one of the yonkou, taking the spot of the former and his remaining crew. Resulting in a bigger crew that's more powerful. Luffy and friends will meet Lola again in the future, shocked about Big Mam being a yonkou and is obviously not her old self anymore. So in the end SHC might not have to have 1v1s with Big mam's crew. They probably will sprinkle some plot powder from SAD and everyone's gonna be "hey lola is that you? wow you've grown alot"
Obviously by that time Big mam's crew will become their old selves. Probably not yonkou power level anymore. During all the commotion and big fights that happen, suddenly Luffy's crew will finally show their true yonkou level of power. Everyone in the world will realize how dope their crew is.
After the big arc of massive fighting, luffy will become a yonkou due to big mam stepping down and the whole world's attention on him. Though that will be waaaaay later in the manga because he can't have goofy adventures anymore if SH is high on the list.
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Also have to throw into the equation that one of the other supernovas might become a new Yonkou. We still don't know anymore about the alliance between Kidd, Hawkins and Scratchman. They may be planning on taking down an emperor too. Remember Kidd as already destroyed at least to of Big Mam's ships. It could end up being a 4way fight.
Kid Alliance, Luffy Alliance, Big Mam her allies and her army, and Doflamingo.
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On November 25 2012 15:54 Hyperbola wrote:
Here's my theory. Big mam is a pirate with a "tea party" theme. Like a little girl with a bunch of stuffed animals drinking tea and playing pretend. She already has a crew member that's a lion and another that looks like a spider so that goes with the stuffed animal theme. Also you can see how she seems like a little girl because of her obsession with candy and her overall temperamental antics with her getting mad and stuff. She's also probably the big user of smile to produce all of these animal fighters and create an unstoppable army probably for enslaving islands and making them create candy.
Next, another drug called sad is being developed by Caesar for Doflamingo. This drug is apparently incredibly dangerous due to Doflamingo valuing it so highly (not killing Caesar because he can produce it). As to what it does, I believe it takes away a person's devil fruit abilities probably for a temporary amount of time. Think about it: sad is the opposite of smile due to the naming convention so it must do something to counteract smile in some way. Also, Law is very interested in obtaining sad because he wants to go up against a yonkou, namely, big mam and needs it to severely weaken her zoan army by taking their abilities and destroying them while they're vulnerable. And Luffy would of course agree to this plan because he's already on bad standing with Big Mam and wouldn't mind taking her out. However, I also believe the whole thing with Lola and her mom being Big Mam is also true and will probably come into play in a very hilarious finale.
SADs = Smiles
it was said that when a SAD goes to a certain place it becomes a smile
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