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On October 24 2012 19:00 sharkie wrote:
I don't think Zorro could beat Monet on his own. We just saw how she can abuse her logia powers to just flee from him and appear where she wants to.
Just because you can use Haki doesn't mean you can beat Logia users. Zorro has no experience how to face such kind of opponents.
And Zorro is not the type of fighter to be nice to women. He doesn't care what gender his opponent is.
Remember we are only halfway through One Piece. Zorro and the rest of the crew still has much to learn.
And right after using observation Haki he figured out where she would pop up and blocked her attack on Nami.
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On October 25 2012 13:09 terranghost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 19:00 sharkie wrote:
I don't think Zorro could beat Monet on his own. We just saw how she can abuse her logia powers to just flee from him and appear where she wants to.
Just because you can use Haki doesn't mean you can beat Logia users. Zorro has no experience how to face such kind of opponents.
And Zorro is not the type of fighter to be nice to women. He doesn't care what gender his opponent is.
Remember we are only halfway through One Piece. Zorro and the rest of the crew still has much to learn. And right after using observation Haki he figured out where she would pop up and blocked her attack on Nami.
Because she is a woman thats why zorro cant fight her. Thats the same reason he did not fight serious against Tashigi a while ago
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Not the same reason Zoro has fought many women as others have pointed out the reason he did not want to fight Tashigi is because she looks like Kuina (I probably misspelled that)
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On October 25 2012 13:19 terranghost wrote:
Not the same reason Zoro has fought many women as others have pointed out the reason he did not want to fight Tashigi is because she looks like Kuina (I probably misspelled that)
but then again he slaughered the whisky peak guys aside from the women who he mostly forced out of the fight with non-lethal injuries like using the back of the blade
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Remember back in Alabasta when Zoro was fighting Daz Bones, and had that realization where he took two swords, and one was able to NOT cut the leaf while the other was able to cut the rock? Wasn't that haki?
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On October 25 2012 13:59 YejinYejin wrote:
Remember back in Alabasta when Zoro was fighting Daz Bones, and had that realization where he took two swords, and one was able to NOT cut the leaf while the other was able to cut the rock? Wasn't that haki?
id say so
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It was pointed out not to long ago that Zoro and Sanji have haki. We just dont know who has what type of haki.
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On October 25 2012 13:59 YejinYejin wrote:
Remember back in Alabasta when Zoro was fighting Daz Bones, and had that realization where he took two swords, and one was able to NOT cut the leaf while the other was able to cut the rock? Wasn't that haki?
that was the same sword actually
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On October 25 2012 13:59 YejinYejin wrote:
Remember back in Alabasta when Zoro was fighting Daz Bones, and had that realization where he took two swords, and one was able to NOT cut the leaf while the other was able to cut the rock? Wasn't that haki?
Probally, he also had the observation haki as just knowing where the rocks would fall
He probally couldnt use it consciously by then, though
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
I don't think Zoro is not atttacking her because she is a woman. That is way too Sanji-esque and wouldn't fit his character at all. I'd rather think that he knows how Caesar forces her into doing these things and maybe also that this resembles him of Nami's situation with Arlong. They are lookalikes and they get forced by a villain into doing evil things.
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On October 25 2012 17:19 Fenrax wrote:
I don't think Zoro is not atttacking her because she is a woman. That is way too Sanji-esque and wouldn't fit his character at all. I'd rather think that he knows how Caesar forces her into doing these things and maybe also that this resembles him of Nami's situation with Arlong. They are lookalikes and they get forced by a villain into doing evil things.
shes as much a villain as Caeser....
why do people keep trying to give Money good qualities? if she was at all against Caeser she wouldnt have saved him from Luffy
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On October 25 2012 23:58 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 17:19 Fenrax wrote:
I don't think Zoro is not atttacking her because she is a woman. That is way too Sanji-esque and wouldn't fit his character at all. I'd rather think that he knows how Caesar forces her into doing these things and maybe also that this resembles him of Nami's situation with Arlong. They are lookalikes and they get forced by a villain into doing evil things. shes as much a villain as Caeser.... why do people keep trying to give Money good qualities? if she was at all against Caeser she wouldnt have saved him from Luffy
Caesar is evil because of his own search of power/money/revenge while she is being blackmailed into obediance by Doflamingo. Also, this is Shonen Manga which makes a turn for a woman very likely to begin with.
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On October 25 2012 12:54 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 08:45 BlackMagister wrote:
An aside but does anyone else think Monet resembles Nami enough to be her sister or an older version of Nami?
About Mihawk it can be assumed by Mihawk's number 1 swordsman status he does know armament Haki otherwise he would be defenseless vs Logia so I have no idea why Zoro would not be taught it. I wish Oda went more into the 2 year time skip to explain things like Zoro's training/eye and Robin's involvement with Dragon. Robin dragon will DEFINENTLY be explained when Dragon actually steps up as a character (instead of just being a guy people talk about) Zoro 100% has armament Haki, why hes not attacking Monet is hard to say maybe Law told him something or Mihawk trained him to be a gentleman anyone who can chop a ship in half like Zoro did has to know Haki
Let's not assume Zoro has armament Haki until he actually shows signs of it. In fight against Das Bones Zoro proved he can improve during a fight so he doesn't need to have armament Haki at the start in order to beat Monet plus he has Tashigi to help. And Zoro does not need to have armament Haki because he has sliced large objects before without Haki like a tidal wave and the door for Enes' Lobby. We might as well assume any strange non DF ability is Haki like Tekkai and Shigan which clearly isn't but resembles armament Haki.
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On October 26 2012 05:56 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 12:54 Forikorder wrote:On October 25 2012 08:45 BlackMagister wrote:
An aside but does anyone else think Monet resembles Nami enough to be her sister or an older version of Nami?
About Mihawk it can be assumed by Mihawk's number 1 swordsman status he does know armament Haki otherwise he would be defenseless vs Logia so I have no idea why Zoro would not be taught it. I wish Oda went more into the 2 year time skip to explain things like Zoro's training/eye and Robin's involvement with Dragon. Robin dragon will DEFINENTLY be explained when Dragon actually steps up as a character (instead of just being a guy people talk about) Zoro 100% has armament Haki, why hes not attacking Monet is hard to say maybe Law told him something or Mihawk trained him to be a gentleman anyone who can chop a ship in half like Zoro did has to know Haki Let's not assume Zoro has armament Haki until he actually shows signs of it. As shown in in fight against Das Bones he can improve during a fight so he doesn't need to have armament Haki at the start in order to beat Monet plus he has Tashigi to help. And Zoro does not need to have armament Haki because he has sliced large objects before without Haki like a tidal wave and the door for Enes' Lobby. We might as well assume any strange non DF ability is Haki like Tekkai and Shigan which clearly isn't but resembles armament Haki.
Didn't he yell out "the opponent's a logia leave this to me" or something along those lines? Seems to me that he's aware of their "weakness" to haki and that he possesses it whereas not all the other strawhats do.
EDIT: True it isn't conclusive but to specifically mention that Monet is a logia.
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It still could just mean Zoro thinks Monet is too dangerous for Robin and Nami to face as seen when Monet almost killed Nami even though Nami was not fighting Monet (plus someone needed to take care of the kids). And since when has an oppenent being impossible for Zoro to defeat stopped him from challenging them ala Mihawk, Das Bones and Kuma.
Though in my opinion Zoro probably does know armament Haki he just can't use it properly though he will by the time he defeats Monet. When Smoker was fighting Law he said Tashigi's Haki was too weak to fight Law so she should get back implying there are different levels of Haki. Even if Zoro does know armament Haki his could be too weak to be useful against Monet or maybe he can't channel it into his swords.
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When Sanji flew off to fight Vergo a few chapters back, that was observation Haki. Zoro also sensed Vergo at the time, so clearly both of them have Observation Haki. Sanji might have armament haki as well. His flaming leg diable attacks seem to be haki-like. Zoro probably has armament haki of some sort too. His ability to cut metal probably relies on haki. Also, his "cannon" attacks seem like they must be based in haki. However, it's possible that he doesn't know how to imbue his swords with the haki needed to cut a logia user.
It's even possible that Hawkeyes doesn't know how to do it either, despite have other haki-like attacks, which would make him very vulnerable to logia types. Perhaps there is a reason why he's the greatest swordsman in the world, even better than Shanks, but not a yonko. He had a chance to cut up Buggy with Haki, but just did a standard cut on him unless Buggy's ability supersedes Haki cuts. It's also possible he didn't want to kill Buggy for some reason or it could have been done for a fun bit of comic relief while ignoring the laws of One Piece. But I'd at least call Hawkeye's limits as a teacher a possibility.
I'd say the most likely scenario with Zoro is that he doesn't want to attack Monet for some reason. He's normally a ruthless fighter, but he has a soft side too. It seems like Doflamingo is controlling her in some way and many of his subordinates seem to hate him. So it wouldn't be shocking if she turns on Doflamingo and becomes a good character after being defeated by Zoro/Tashigi. Zoro may sense that and have decided to let her live. My bet is on Law getting a new crew member.
Finally, I think Zoro is holding back and maybe can only fully use armament haki when he unleashes his power. Namely, he still hasn't opened his left eye. When he is finally forced to open it, expect a big power-up.
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http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c679/6.html
Someone gave Chopper the note, and this page implies Monet is aware of Chopper but chose to do nothing. To say that Monet is like Caeser is too much.
We know Caeser's background, while the only thing we can tell from Monet is that she's under orders from Doflamingo. There's no background on Monet. Its possible that she's inherently good and just blackmailed. Oda has done it before with Robin, Nami, and pirates in general. There's currently nothing to support either sides.
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On October 26 2012 07:35 ore0z wrote:http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c679/6.htmlSomeone gave Chopper the note, and this page implies Monet is aware of Chopper but chose to do nothing. To say that Monet is like Caeser is too much. We know Caeser's background, while the only thing we can tell from Monet is that she's under orders from Doflamingo. There's no background on Monet. Its possible that she's inherently good and just blackmailed. Oda has done it before with Robin, Nami, and pirates in general. There's currently nothing to support either sides.
I thought the implication was that Monet gave him the note.
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actually, i think that Zorro has not attacked yet because he would kill all those guys around him or destroy the building or something like that, so he defends until he is alone with Monet.
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On October 26 2012 00:18 Fenrax wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 23:58 Forikorder wrote:On October 25 2012 17:19 Fenrax wrote:
I don't think Zoro is not atttacking her because she is a woman. That is way too Sanji-esque and wouldn't fit his character at all. I'd rather think that he knows how Caesar forces her into doing these things and maybe also that this resembles him of Nami's situation with Arlong. They are lookalikes and they get forced by a villain into doing evil things. shes as much a villain as Caeser.... why do people keep trying to give Money good qualities? if she was at all against Caeser she wouldnt have saved him from Luffy Caesar is evil because of his own search of power/money/revenge while she is being blackmailed into obediance by Doflamingo. Also, this is Shonen Manga which makes a turn for a woman very likely to begin with.
shes not being blackmailed, shes a subordinate of Joker who was sent to be a liason between Caeser and Joker and help him as a secretary shes as evil as the marine dude
and if Zoro didnt have Armament Haki shouldnt he be in like alot more trouble? hes been able to completely block her attacks so doesnt that heavily imply armament Haki?
i think its ridiculus that people are assuming he doesnt have it when he actually does have a track record of going easy on women
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