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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 31 2012 02:51 BlackMagister wrote: Err kind of a weird reasoning why Zoro held back but at least the characters, Tashigi, acknowledge that it is a weird reasoning. Why Zoro can't go full out on women I still don't understand as he can defeat women other than Tashigi like Monday when he crushed her face. Zoro didn't kill her but he doesn't kill anyone anyways (maybe he has killed off screen but major enemies are left alive) so he could have defeated Monet too. He probably can't kill in front of tashigi, that is probably what is it he trying to hold up a certain character in front of tashigi. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
Edit: He killed a dog, other animals and banished a zombie. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On October 31 2012 02:51 BlackMagister wrote: Err kind of a weird reasoning why Zoro held back but at least the characters, Tashigi, acknowledge that it is a weird reasoning. Why Zoro can't go full out on women I still don't understand as he can defeat women other than Tashigi like Monday when he crushed her face. Zoro didn't kill her but he doesn't kill anyone anyways (maybe he has killed off screen but major enemies are left alive) so he could have defeated Monet too. I think when Sanji said Zoro had a soft side he was referring to this. Zoro probably could tell/thought Monet was being forced to do this, and so decided he didn't really want to hurt her. Alternatively he might have decided that she wasn't really a fighter, and so didn't treat her like one. He also did say he didn't have to hurt her at all, just prevent her from chasing the rest of them. Then she hurt Tashigi, and he couldn't really wait around any longer, since Tashigi probably would have been killed. | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
I know in this case its not really the same thing, but still, I like the human sides of the characters, like we saw in this chapter. | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
1344 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:10 []Phase[] wrote: To be honest, I am kind of glad Zoro has this 'weak side'. The straw hats are supposed to be the good guys after all, it would be a bit stupid if they went around killing everybody. They spare most if not all opponents, right? I feel like this just makes the characters more human. At first, I thought it was kind of lame that opponents always got to survive, but now I am kind of glad they get to. (and I also like the way oda gives them a small 'screentime' a few books later). I know in this case its not really the same thing, but still, I like the human sides of the characters, like we saw in this chapter. Pretty stupid if the "weak side" happen to coincide with someone else's. If it turns out two of the 3 strong members can't fight women. Either the enemy HAVE to be matched up with multiple other members or be weak. Besides Big mam there aren't any other strong female members would be end-game caliber (Jewelry Bonney's out of the picture right?) so luffy won't fight them either. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
He obviously didn't really want to fight Monet and he didn't want to fight the (Hyouzou) Octopus guy from the New Fishman pirates either. IMO it's not a gender related thing. He gets amped up when he can fight someone on his level or stronger. But he hates fighting people weaker. Plus Tashigi reminds him of his best friend so that probably plays a role too. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Zeo1990
United States132 Posts
On October 31 2012 05:17 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Pretty stupid if the "weak side" happen to coincide with someone else's. If it turns out two of the 3 strong members can't fight women. Either the enemy HAVE to be matched up with multiple other members or be weak. Besides Big mam there aren't any other strong female members would be end-game caliber (Jewelry Bonney's out of the picture right?) so luffy won't fight them either. you forgot that one women that joined Blackbeard crew from Impel Down Level 6...http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Catarina_Devon clearly she will be strong being on level 6 of Impel Down and all. Also don't forget Baby 5 and others from Do Flamingo's organization (Baby5 and Buffalo are on their way to PH as well btw) Also we have yet to really see the officer members of Kaido's Crew and i doubt Tamago and Peekems are the only 2 members we will see from Big Mam. As said before i think it more of a weak vs strong thing as oppose to the man vs woman thing fro Zoro. Also maybe Zoro wanted to give Tashigi credit for winning because he likes her/wants her to get stronger and fight later? | ||
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[]Phase[]
Belgium927 Posts
On October 31 2012 06:12 eshlow wrote: His "weak side" isn't that he doesn't like fighting women, it's that he doesn't really like fighting people substantially weaker than him. He obviously didn't really want to fight Monet and he didn't want to fight the (Hyouzou) Octopus guy from the New Fishman pirates either. IMO it's not a gender related thing. He gets amped up when he can fight someone on his level or stronger. But he hates fighting people weaker. Plus Tashigi reminds him of his best friend so that probably plays a role too. Yea thinking pretty much the same thing. | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
Don't forget the 3 eyed chick from Big Mom's crew too. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 31 2012 03:36 BlackMagister wrote: Though like I said Zoro can defeat women like Miss Monday without killing them. He would be able to do the same easily to Monet because he outclasses her too. Let's not also forget Zoro doesn't even kill men... Who has Zoro killed on screen in the manga? Zoro seems to have only killed in reputation, rumors and stories. Every major male opponent of Zoro has lived and the nobodies just got random cuts. Edit: He killed a dog, other animals and banished a zombie. I recall that he killed the previous Mr. 7 of Baroque Works, but that wasn't on screen. Besides that I can't think of anyone else, apart from the dragon which I guess counts as an animal. | ||
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BlackMagister
United States5834 Posts
As for why Zoro held back I like the weakling theory over the women theory given it matches with octopus swordsmen. Zoro might get a chance to show he isn't weak on women, just Tashigi, with Don Flamingo's goon that is being sent. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18773 Posts
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semantics
10040 Posts
On November 01 2012 01:56 BlackMagister wrote: The Mangastream translation is up, the longer a translation takes the better it is usually especially with the rush jobs the general manga sites tend to put up. Mangastream seems to think the characters swear for example Zoro called Monet a bitch and irc previous MS translations thought that too. It did make one thing clear when Tashigi said "Sol" it should have been "Soru" so Tashigi knows the CP9 movement technique. As for why Zoro held back I like the weakling theory over the women theory given it matches with octopus swordsmen. Zoro might get a chance to show he isn't weak on women, just Tashigi, with Don Flamingo's goon that is being sent. The people at mangastream swear to adult up children's manga, it's usually a small creative note, it's very similar to what groups do for children's anime cut out cheezy talking trash and use obscenities instead. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On November 01 2012 03:10 semantics wrote: The people at mangastream swear to adult up children's manga, it's usually a small creative note, it's very similar to what groups do for children's anime cut out cheezy talking trash and use obscenities instead. The swearing is done to localize terms that otherwise have no real English translation due to the connotations they carry in Japanese. It's a bit crude, but it can be considered a more "accurate" translation than a literal translation of "you," or some other variant. I don't care either way, but it's not a result of creativity to "adult up" the manga. At least, this is the case for anime translations. Since I don't actually know what words are being used in the raw, I guess I could be wrong. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 31 2012 03:36 BlackMagister wrote: Though like I said Zoro can defeat women like Miss Monday without killing them. He would be able to do the same easily to Monet because he outclasses her too. Let's not also forget Zoro doesn't even kill men... Who has Zoro killed on screen in the manga? Zoro seems to have only killed in reputation, rumors and stories. Every major male opponent of Zoro has lived and the nobodies just got random cuts. Edit: He killed a dog, other animals and banished a zombie. when has anyone killed anyone? its a shonen manga killing should be reserved for rare ocasions, hell monet probably isnt even dead just very badly hurt | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On November 01 2012 12:14 Forikorder wrote: when has anyone killed anyone? its a shonen manga killing should be reserved for rare ocasions, hell monet probably isnt even dead just very badly hurt Monet didn't receive that big of a wound, so it's a pretty safe assumption that she's alive. She'll probably be fine by the time the arc gets closer to an end. | ||
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Ziken
Ghana1743 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/K2Ve3.png) | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On November 01 2012 19:23 Ziken wrote: That´s the main character... I know this is the manga thread, but srsly who the hell is this? + Show Spoiler + Monkey D Luffy, captain of the strawhat pirates and aspiring Pirate King. It´s a weird picture though. | ||
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