[Manga] One Piece - Page 226

On October 22 2012 14:09 BlackMagister wrote:
Franky was holding Caribou casually so he probably wasn't using Haki meaning Caribou probably did turn his power off, though confirmed or even implied that Franky can use Haki. If Logia can turn off their powers than that would be their default state would it not? Why would Ace always be fire if it prevents him from eating, drinking and touching things in general. If Logia were elemental most of the time there would be signs like generating heat, light and ice constantly. Hence casually Logia are human and can be caught by surprise. It just so happens Logia are always strong characters and are not caught by surprise often.

On October 22 2012 14:09 BlackMagister wrote:
Franky was holding Caribou casually so he probably wasn't using Haki meaning Caribou probably did turn his power off, though it is not confirmed or even implied that Franky can use Haki. If Logia can turn off their powers than that would be their default state would it not? Why would Ace always be fire if it prevents him from eating, drinking and touching things in general. If Logia were elemental most of the time there would be signs like generating heat, light and ice constantly. Hence casually Logia are human and can be caught by surprise. It just so happens Logia are always strong characters and are not caught by surprise often.

On October 22 2012 14:42 Forikorder wrote:

then again though i dont think weve ever seen someone try putting a logia into a submission hold so since Coribou realised he had to talk his way out of it its not like hed attack franky

plus franky wasnt squeezing the life out of him he was just holding him and prepared to throw him

On October 22 2012 15:25 17Sphynx17 wrote:


As for Caribou, I recall that part Caribou wanted to blend in and not be too suspicious. As such, he tried to act as "plain" as he could, hence he turned off his elemental form to avoid suspicion. I think there doesn't need to be a consideration of whether or not Franky has Haki. That is already going too far I think.

I still think it is not auto. If you are arguing taking elemental forms of parts against being shot when you are not looking, you have to consider that the one not looking was an Admiral. And in order to portray them as more "badass", they sort of have a more "sixth sense" in battle and not necessarily see you to "detect" your presence.

You could actually just argue that although Smoker was strong in the beginning, he wasn't that strong especially when you compare him to an Admiral/Vice Admiral class. He has potential maybe, but that means he isn't at that level yet, hence, explaining his lack of "awareness" to surroundings.

I know we are speculating these, but there is no way around to explain it as an auto feature as that is too much of a stretch. Making it auto just makes it wrong.

As for Nami beating up the strawhats, now that's comedic value as it is only done internally within the group.

that's my two cents.

On October 22 2012 15:30 Forikorder wrote:
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i really dont see how its too mcuh of a stretch, that seems like waht Logias been bragged about as being since the first Logia, immune to normal attacks and can only be hit by the most special of attacks, plus one of the short storys on thats on the front pages, there was one showing Aces hunt for whitebeard and in one of them he was standing on someones shoulders while bullets wizzed through him so if Logia works as its "on" and your made of fire and burn stuff or its "off" and you cant aoid attacks is right that marine guy should ahve been on fire

also "sixth snese" = observation Haki

On October 22 2012 21:40 bittman wrote:
See guys. This is why we need a logia on the strawhats. So we can actually have someone describing their powers.

Not that there's been a single introduced logia that would work on Luffy's team since most of the introduced logias have been marines and/or seriously bad dudes. Ace is like the sole exception.

Still, I can dream. People used to be all like "no no no logia on strawhats" and then haki got introduced and people are like "Oh that's ok now" haha.

On October 22 2012 16:04 17Sphynx17 wrote:


Well, why wouldn't he burn if Ace was standing on him and he was being shot yet bullets passed? I think the answer is simple, he allowed his body, excluding the sole of his feet from being in elemental mode. I think with enough training, logia can be controlled to that extent. Only having specific parts of your body solidify (off) while others are elemental (on) have been shown throughout the manga.

Also, with regards to "sixth sense" being observation haki, well, isn't that supportive of the possibility? Was smoker said to have mastered haki at the point where he and ace met in the bar and were suddenly slammed by Luffy? If it is I would need a reference, if it isn't, I think we could at least be able to say that the time gap between that and the Smoker back in the war was a different smoker, a better and stronger smoker with haki.

So I still do not see how seeing logia powers as non-auto even during battle be farfetched.

You can choose to walk in a battlefield in full elemental mode to prevent any normal physical damage, you can also choose to go in normally as you know your "haki abilities" allow you to avoid attacks without relying on your Logia ability.

That's my take on it.

On October 22 2012 23:28 Forikorder wrote:

i was just pointing out that theres already an ability for 6th sense in OP

anyway i dont think tite has really thought about the specifics about how Logias work so theyll only get hit when plot demands it or its extremely funnay and irrelevant and otherwise they wont get hit

On October 23 2012 00:00 megastarcraft20 wrote:


Kubo Tite writes Bleach not One Piece. I hope you get hit by a truck for implying this.

On October 23 2012 11:14 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Logia fruits allow the users to turn into an element at will.

On October 22 2012 14:18 Azuzu wrote:
TBH I don't think there's any way to accurately define logia powers as they're pretty nonsensical to begin with. Add to it that Oda has spent basically no time actually explaining how it works.

I believe luffy was only able to hit smoker/ace because it was supposed to be funny. Like sanji turning to stone, or whatever. For example when Kizaru took a bullet to the head, he was clearly not paying any attention yet he obviously wasn't hurt.