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On October 20 2012 22:59 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Am I the only one hoping for momonosuke to join luffy's crew. lol

On October 20 2012 22:59 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Am I the only one hoping for momonosuke to join luffy's crew. lol

On October 21 2012 04:22 grush57 wrote:
Momo would only be with strawhats if his dad is in the crew aswell.

On October 21 2012 09:04 terranghost wrote:
Just thought I would note this I did not bother to read the walls of text going on and on about the different DF abilities but Logia do have to consciously turn on their ability. The only Logia we have seen always have their ability activated seems to be Ceaser.

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Activating and deactivating is a willfull decision, else Luffy would have been unable to hit Enel or Smoker ever

Forikorder at it again.
You´re bad enough that I recognize you.

Anyway, from a story telling point Momosuke being unable to transform back because of faulty DF seems the most likely.

Kaku's failed giraffe transformation seems very important here. Kaku tried to get a partial transformation, but got a total transformation instead.

I doubt Momonosuke would actually join given his age. There would have to be some sort of plot reason he would want to be with a pirate crew even if friendly instead of his father. If Momo can't transform back because the DF is flawed and the flaw results in not being able to transform back it would be possible for Chopper to cure him as others have pointed out. Although the rumble ball features are temporary, at least were, for Chopper so maybe only temporarily human?

An aside it seems like Chopper and Franky would both make good research assistants to Vegapunk even though he is a marine scientist which prevents a cooperative effort.

On October 21 2012 14:03 Forikorder wrote:
.luffy was always unable to hit smoker and could only hit Enel becuase he was rubber which coutners lightning, everytime he missed Enel its cause enel dodged



so your saying im wrong



yet agreeing with me....



might be to go into half-half you go full transformation and stop half way and he just forgot to stop the transformation




Momosuke and daddy could travel with the strawhats becuase it will take chopper a long time to manage to completely transform him back into a kid, or they feel so indebted to the SH that they feel its there duty to travel with them as repayment, or maybe there leaving Wano made them perma-exiles and they cant return it would definently be easy for them to join the crew full time as a true member and daddy at least does fit into the SH crew, plus then theyd have Brook (one sword and ice sword) Samurai (2 sword, fire sword) and Zoro (3 sword)

Momosuke being weak (unconfirmed really he is a dragon) doesnt mean anything, Nami and Usopp survived for a long time being weak and the rumble ball could make him strong (imagine Choppers giant form.... but a DRAGON)

On October 22 2012 05:10 Mataza wrote:

Sorry, did you say Luffy never was able to hit Smoker?


I´m saying you´re bad because your reasoning is bad, i.e. look at the smoker logia argument

You might have a point I agree with, but your arguments can still be faulty. Logia are not automatic.
My paragraph about the different type of df fruit was particularly aimed at you as you seem to have faulty ideas about how they work.
I don´t mean you harm, but I urge you to doublecheck your facts or reread your posts before posting them.

On October 22 2012 13:02 Fiveandahalf wrote:
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-2265-6/one-piece/chapter-158.html

Read the few pages after that. Luffy not only hits both of them, he knocks them through several walls, and afterwards smokers shoves Ace's face into the ground. How can any of those things happen if they were always their element? Just read the logia article: http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Logia. All the info there is based on the manga. They can train to reflexively turn their element on to dodge/avoid surprise attacks, and they can transform parts of their body or the whole thing.

Obviously, their power is not "on" all the time.

On October 22 2012 12:31 Forikorder wrote:

so riddle me this, if Logias do turn on and off, and Smoker was about to fight a freaking division leader of Whitebeard, with no idea of how many troops ace had, why the fuck was his logia power off?

and if Ace was about to be attacked by a mad dog like smoker, why was his logia off?

also what chapter does that correspond to in manga? cause Anime isnt as cannon as manga

On October 22 2012 13:15 Forikorder wrote:
course its possible the DF can tell if something is an "attack aimed at me" or not, and since Luffy was only rocketing to get to the restaurant and hit them by accident, and Smoker only pushed ace as "something between me and luffy" the fruits didnt auto defend

On October 20 2012 14:23 Forikorder wrote:
Ace doesnt have a "non-fire" mode, you dont seem to understand Logias they dont switch states its completely automatic at any point in time if there attacked the attack slips through (aside from specific scenarios like Haki) there is no on or off switch

Ace is just searching for his brother and also he is that very moment at lunch. Follow me here: He doesn´t want to fight Smoker just because he is a marine. He even says exactly that.
Smoker is ready to start fighting, but they´re in a crowded restaurant. Follow me again, Smoker is a marine and doesn´t want to endanger civilians. That´s the same reason cops don´t usually shoot into crowds.

What? DFs don´t "tell" anything apart. They don´t think, they don´t "autodefend"
Where the fuck are you taking that? Those things are fruit. FRUIT. You eat them and they give you powers.
The fruit do not think for you. They do not decide for you. Where the fuck did you get that misinformation from?

You are harder and harder to take serious.

remember when akainu is about to kill luffy but ace jumps in between and takes the hit? that's when he switched off the fire-mode, otherwise the punch would hit and kill luffy.

ALSO: Anyone still have any other theories why Doflamingo's "spirit" woke Momosuke up?

Also while Oda has said he doesn't portray logia interaction with clothing accurately ( for example Ace should be naked after he uses his powers) it still wouldn't make sense for logia to always be elemental otherwise they would destroy objects. As for evidence of turning off their powers there is Ace, but also Caribou who let himself get beat up to prevent the Straw Hat crew from finding out he was a logia.
http://www.mangapanda.com/103-58565-19/one-piece/chapter-604.html