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BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
October 17 2012 21:18 GMT
#4441
Yeah that is the other possible reason. We don't know if he can't turn into a human because he hasn't tried/doesn't know how to turn back or if he physically can't. The best way of finding out would be to consult Chopper being he is the only Zoan around plus a doctor for what that's worth.
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
October 17 2012 21:52 GMT
#4442
DF doesn't instantly made the user strong, they have to train hard to gain control of it, Crocodile was said to prefect his art through a lot of hard work, So I am guessing the kid with the Dragon DF have yet to master anything about this power.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18443 Posts
October 17 2012 22:07 GMT
#4443
yeah all DFs do is make you stronger than the average person, you know a normal citizen :p
terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
October 17 2012 22:57 GMT
#4444
lol at Kinemon calling Brook "Lord Corpse"

Ceaser seems to want to try to improve on everything Vegapunk tried to or did do.

If the dragon fruit was failure although we do not know exactly how it is a failure yet maybe this shinokuni is also maybe his way of improving the creation of devil's fruits.

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killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
October 18 2012 00:13 GMT
#4445
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 18 2012 04:06 GMT
#4446
i think the DF was a failure becuase the person couldnt transform every other time weve seen someone eat a fruit they instinctively knew how to use it (though its not complete mastery like giraffe head who made a mistake once while transforming)

itll be interested to see how the rumble ball works when theres 2 zoans on the crew
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
October 18 2012 05:30 GMT
#4447
Anyone else see Doflamingo's face showing up here? Guesses as to why that is?
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c685/17.html
안지호
-JoKeR-
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada387 Posts
October 18 2012 05:36 GMT
#4448
The pace for this arc is way to quick, needs to slow down.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-18 06:53:46
October 18 2012 06:52 GMT
#4449
On October 18 2012 14:30 YejinYejin wrote:
Anyone else see Doflamingo's face showing up here? Guesses as to why that is?
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c685/17.html


Yeah I was looking at that panel for ages thinking "Why is Luffy wearing glasses!?!?" And even if it is Doflamingo (which...I think it is) it leaves a tonne of other questions...

....are there any good theories about it? Don't frequent websites that discuss manga as much as I used to.

EDIT: My theory would be that the samurais know Doflamingo already. Maybe momonosuke (however you spell his name) has a deep fear of Doflamingo and his hunger hallucinations brought about a flashback? Idk either way it's a pretty confusing panel
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YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
October 18 2012 08:45 GMT
#4450
On October 18 2012 15:52 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 14:30 YejinYejin wrote:
Anyone else see Doflamingo's face showing up here? Guesses as to why that is?
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/one_piece/v60/c685/17.html


Yeah I was looking at that panel for ages thinking "Why is Luffy wearing glasses!?!?" And even if it is Doflamingo (which...I think it is) it leaves a tonne of other questions...

....are there any good theories about it? Don't frequent websites that discuss manga as much as I used to.

EDIT: My theory would be that the samurais know Doflamingo already. Maybe momonosuke (however you spell his name) has a deep fear of Doflamingo and his hunger hallucinations brought about a flashback? Idk either way it's a pretty confusing panel


Yeah, that's exactly what I'm thinking. Momonosuke (and maybe Kinemon) have had a bad experience with Doflamingo, and now passing out brings back flashbacks. This is plausible, as the kids were kidnapped for Caesar's experiments, and Caesar is working "under" Doflamingo right now (kind of), so Doflamingo may have personally kidnapped some of the kids.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18443 Posts
October 18 2012 16:14 GMT
#4451
On October 18 2012 13:06 Forikorder wrote:
i think the DF was a failure becuase the person couldnt transform every other time weve seen someone eat a fruit they instinctively knew how to use it (though its not complete mastery like giraffe head who made a mistake once while transforming)

itll be interested to see how the rumble ball works when theres 2 zoans on the crew


Luffy had no control of his powers at the start. It took him years of training to get the hang out of them.
ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
October 18 2012 16:22 GMT
#4452
On October 18 2012 09:13 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.

Hey now, western dragons are oversized lizards breathing death and hoarding treasures. Chinese dragons are immortal gods complete with human forms, oceanic domains, emperor like life style, and power over different elements. There are kirins and stuff I don't even know about but there's more to them their mythology than their western counterpart.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
October 18 2012 22:23 GMT
#4453
On October 19 2012 01:22 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 09:13 killa_robot wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.

Hey now, western dragons are oversized lizards breathing death and hoarding treasures. Chinese dragons are immortal gods complete with human forms, oceanic domains, emperor like life style, and power over different elements. There are kirins and stuff I don't even know about but there's more to them their mythology than their western counterpart.


More mythology does not mean more badass.
Microsloth
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada194 Posts
October 18 2012 22:30 GMT
#4454
It's like.... this thread seems to be written in english.... but I understand none of it lol
Double digit APM. ftw?
Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
October 18 2012 22:56 GMT
#4455
On October 19 2012 07:23 killa_robot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 01:22 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
On October 18 2012 09:13 killa_robot wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.

Hey now, western dragons are oversized lizards breathing death and hoarding treasures. Chinese dragons are immortal gods complete with human forms, oceanic domains, emperor like life style, and power over different elements. There are kirins and stuff I don't even know about but there's more to them their mythology than their western counterpart.


More mythology does not mean more badass.


Pretty sure the immortal god part is more badass.

Good chapter and hope for the main arc to start within the next year. T_T
Lifes too short to be small.
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 18 2012 23:43 GMT
#4456
On October 19 2012 07:56 Sickkiee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 07:23 killa_robot wrote:
On October 19 2012 01:22 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
On October 18 2012 09:13 killa_robot wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.

Hey now, western dragons are oversized lizards breathing death and hoarding treasures. Chinese dragons are immortal gods complete with human forms, oceanic domains, emperor like life style, and power over different elements. There are kirins and stuff I don't even know about but there's more to them their mythology than their western counterpart.


More mythology does not mean more badass.


Pretty sure the immortal god part is more badass.

Good chapter and hope for the main arc to start within the next year. T_T


???? Main Arc ????

What the heck is a main arc? There are arcs. They are all important, some just less so in the eyes of some people.

I don't see how an arc with Doflamingo's crew, Vegapunk's "rival" who is working on giantification and mythological creatures, Law a Shichibukai, an introduction to the country of Wano, all of the Strawhats, Smoker + Tashigi and a weapon of mass destruction on an island transformed by a 10 day battle between Aokoji and Akainu is anything but a main arc.

Consider me confused.
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zeropoint
Profile Joined November 2010
United States94 Posts
October 18 2012 23:48 GMT
#4457
On October 19 2012 08:43 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 07:56 Sickkiee wrote:
On October 19 2012 07:23 killa_robot wrote:
On October 19 2012 01:22 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
On October 18 2012 09:13 killa_robot wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.

Hey now, western dragons are oversized lizards breathing death and hoarding treasures. Chinese dragons are immortal gods complete with human forms, oceanic domains, emperor like life style, and power over different elements. There are kirins and stuff I don't even know about but there's more to them their mythology than their western counterpart.


More mythology does not mean more badass.


Pretty sure the immortal god part is more badass.

Good chapter and hope for the main arc to start within the next year. T_T


???? Main Arc ????

What the heck is a main arc? There are arcs. They are all important, some just less so in the eyes of some people.

I don't see how an arc with Doflamingo's crew, Vegapunk's "rival" who is working on giantification and mythological creatures, Law a Shichibukai, an introduction to the country of Wano, all of the Strawhats, Smoker + Tashigi and a weapon of mass destruction on an island transformed by a 10 day battle between Aokoji and Akainu is anything but a main arc.

Consider me confused.


I think he considers this part part of a larger arc kinda of like Whiskey Peak and Little Garden were part of the Alabasta/Baroque Works Arc. Either way, this arc has been pretty badass so far, imo.
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Sickkiee
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Japan607 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-19 00:38:52
October 19 2012 00:37 GMT
#4458
On October 19 2012 08:43 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2012 07:56 Sickkiee wrote:
On October 19 2012 07:23 killa_robot wrote:
On October 19 2012 01:22 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
On October 18 2012 09:13 killa_robot wrote:
On October 18 2012 02:52 BlackMagister wrote:
So I guess Momonosuke's DF was a failure because it has no combat capability? Still he can fly and retains his intelligence which is pretty good and I'm guessing he has some sort of sorcery ability being a Chinese mythical dragon, even though I have no idea what that would be. Though was the DF really a failure when it was put in a special glass case? Maybe it was Vegapunk's first artificial DF, although how exactly do you know a DF is a failure when it's never been seen before and is not eaten.


I think him being a failure is more a joke at the chinese dragons which by comparison aren't nearly as badass as western ones.

Also what's with everyone wanting everything to be explained by devil fruits? Monet has harpy parts, we know. We also know Law transformed practically everyone on the island. Thus, the assumption should be, Monet was changed by Law, not "lols she has 2 fruits".

Nice having confirmation it is the snow-snow fruit. Lots of interesting and lol-worthy moments in this chapter, look forward to next week.

Hey now, western dragons are oversized lizards breathing death and hoarding treasures. Chinese dragons are immortal gods complete with human forms, oceanic domains, emperor like life style, and power over different elements. There are kirins and stuff I don't even know about but there's more to them their mythology than their western counterpart.


More mythology does not mean more badass.


Pretty sure the immortal god part is more badass.

Good chapter and hope for the main arc to start within the next year. T_T


???? Main Arc ????

What the heck is a main arc? There are arcs. They are all important, some just less so in the eyes of some people.

I don't see how an arc with Doflamingo's crew, Vegapunk's "rival" who is working on giantification and mythological creatures, Law a Shichibukai, an introduction to the country of Wano, all of the Strawhats, Smoker + Tashigi and a weapon of mass destruction on an island transformed by a 10 day battle between Aokoji and Akainu is anything but a main arc.

Consider me confused.


Just like how Baroque Works was not a 'main' arc, but preceded the Alabasta arc.

This is obviously a lead up arc to when Luffy confronts Don Flamingo and his crew. Don't get me wrong, it's really good. But shit hasn't hit the fan yet! That's what I'm waiting for.
Lifes too short to be small.
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
October 19 2012 01:29 GMT
#4459
Nah, Donflamingo won't come up in some time. Clearing up this island is an 'Moria' type arc already. Or maybe this is the Water7-part of the whole WG invasion. Doubt it but considering the decent pace it might actually go that way. They are all in position to fight their respective enemy.

Zoro so awesome :D The opponent is a Logia! I'll handle this!
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
October 19 2012 03:05 GMT
#4460
On October 19 2012 01:14 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2012 13:06 Forikorder wrote:
i think the DF was a failure becuase the person couldnt transform every other time weve seen someone eat a fruit they instinctively knew how to use it (though its not complete mastery like giraffe head who made a mistake once while transforming)

itll be interested to see how the rumble ball works when theres 2 zoans on the crew


Luffy had no control of his powers at the start. It took him years of training to get the hang out of them.

Luffy could stretch immediately upon eating the gum gum fruit, the things he had to train was his aim at using his pistol

take croc for instance, instantly upon eating the sand sand fruit he could turn to sand and suck up moisture but it took alot of training to make his sand blade and the tornado thing

so Momosuke should isntantly know how to transform (just like square nose of C9 knew how to transform and the chick knew how to create bubbles)
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