[Manga] One Piece - Page 176

On March 21 2012 23:23 divinesage wrote:
Time to update my thoughts on Haki.

Older reference here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89879&currentpage=156

I still stand with my idea that Haki vs Haki is essentially a battle of the two persons' masteries of Haki. But I would also like to add on that Haki is like a sword or a shield. You have to put up that shield or that sword before you can effectively protect or damage. It would also make sense to say that Haki can be likened to stamina: the more you use it in quick succession, the more tired you will get, and you start to use it less well as the battle passes. It certainly wouldn't make sense if Haki could be used without getting the user tired, because if so, then any proficient user could put up that shield forever to prevent anything from hurting him (assuming there aren't more skillful users of Haki of course).

That being said, I think Haki as a shield might also have weak spots. Perhaps the head could be a vulnerable area and Haki protection wouldn't be as effective there, hence Akainu was able to actually tear a chunk off Whitebeard's head with that (Haki infused) magma fist.

I think the latest chapter confirms two things:

1. That Haki users can be surprised and be hit before they up their guard. As in the case of Sanji getting affected a full 100% by Law's ability. I think its pretty safe to assume he is pretty proficient with Haki now that he should offer some resistance to a shichibukai's attack. He is after all the third stongest person in the Strawhats.

2. In a Haki vs Haki fight, the person with the stronger (or perhaps you could say more proficient and skilled) Haki would negate the other person's Haki and allow his or her abilities to pass through as if the defending person did not protect himself at all. What Law did essentially was break Tashigi's Haki guard and used his ability on her fully. This is pretty much confimed when Smoker says her Haki isn't strong enough to handle Law.

On March 22 2012 00:39 drsnuggles wrote:
If you have server problems, reading on mangahere could help (at least it did for me). Also no idea where the bounties come from..

On March 22 2012 00:51 AsnSensation wrote:
most probably some false spoilers, those come everyweek

some of the most ridicule that pop i my head right now:

1. Hawkins laughing @ brownbeard that he's low bounty, and browndbeard trashing him and telling him that bounty doesnt matter in the new world and its all about Haki
2.Post timeskip official announce of Buggy being a shichi and his whole crew has a bounty of 5 billon berry

there have been much more fun "spoilers" but can't remember any

On March 22 2012 01:05 Scaramanga wrote:

There's nothing to say that exerting your haki (which is exertion of your character) would make you tired. If you look at the scene where Shanks goes aboard Whitebeard's ship he can't help but knock out the weaker Whitebeard pirates with his kings haki, if he can't stop that how is he able to continually expell it without getting tired? Your 'character' can't really become worn out.
Sanji's heart getting swapped was apart of the gag, not something you can draw conclusions from (also hes not confirmed as a haki user yet). I can't say Nami has haki because she can bruise Luffy can I?
Also with Law cutting Tashigi's haki it can't be automatically thought of as haki vs haki. Unless you have a strong character it takes years of training to bring haki out, its more likely that Laws power and ability with his sword was enough to cut through her relatively weak haki.

On March 22 2012 00:51 AsnSensation wrote:
most probably some false spoilers, those come everyweek

some of the most ridicule that pop i my head right now:

1. Hawkins laughing @ brownbeard that he's low bounty, and browndbeard trashing him and telling him that bounty doesnt matter in the new world and its all about Haki
2.Post timeskip official announce of Buggy being a shichi and his whole crew has a bounty of 5 billon berry

there have been much more fun "spoilers" but can't remember any

On March 22 2012 01:24 divinesage wrote:


It wouldn't make sense otherwise to have Haki being expelled infinitely without any form of control or drawback. It would simply make the entire premise ridiculous. Of course these are merely my deductions but I daresay that they are rather reasonable. The part about Shanks also doesn't disprove my theory, if he had so much mastery of his Haki, he could probably let a little out and not feel tired at all, kinda like a very fit long distance runner who would quite easily feel comfortable jogging at a leisurely pace for a very very long time.

As for Sanji's Haki part, I believe Rayleigh did mention before that everyone had Haki. That led me to the idea that a characters levelf of Haki is somewhat (somewhat, not exactly always) proportional to his fighting abilities. I think what Oda was trying to do here with Haki was somehow base it off aspects of battle sense and basically being "in the zone": Where experienced fighters or competitors in sport usually have after many years of practise and training. In short, they just feel it, and know what to do next. Of course again, these are my speculations, but it does seem like a very reasonable fit to how Oda has shaped the entire story so far.

As for the actual manifestation of Haki, well, there is no proff that Sanji has actually manifested it, but if you remember when Rayleigh used Haoshoku Haki at the auction house, none of the Strawhats fell prey to it because they were all strong enough (sufficient innate Haki) to withstand the blast. So there's no reason why all the Strawhats here (especially Sanji) wouldn't have resisted Law's (quite likely Haki infused) attack to some extent. (Note that Law's attack was specifically directed at them and as such it's probably gonna be much stronger than a general Haoshoku Haki from Rayleigh that didn't really have direction at that time.)

On March 22 2012 01:49 GettingIt wrote:
Can't wait for Sanji to realize he is in Nami's body so he can start groping it.

On March 22 2012 08:44 Scaramanga wrote:
Uh a long distance runner can stop running whenever he wants and would definitely have a limit at some point, shanks can't stop his haki from flowing out, using your theory you say that a long distance runner wouldn't have a problem with jogging his whole life, just not possible.

On March 22 2012 08:56 ore0z wrote:

I would say you're able to turn on and off your haki any time you like.
An example would be right after the time skip. Luffy is scene interacting with the fake Straw Hats, unleashes his king's haki, meets them again but doesn't knock them out this time.

On March 22 2012 08:56 ore0z wrote:

I would say you're able to turn on and off your haki any time you like.
An example would be right after the time skip. Luffy is scene interacting with the fake Straw Hats, unleashes his king's haki, meets them again but doesn't knock them out this time.

On March 22 2012 09:05 Scaramanga wrote:

When was this?

On March 22 2012 09:03 Forikorder wrote:

i think Haki like a devils fruit ability, depending on the strength of the fruit it offers some passive powers (like how depending on the strength of the Haki it has some always present abilities) and in order to get the full strength of it requires concentration

so Haki is both something thats always on but its also something you have to conciously be using

to use Shanks as an example, his colour of the king was oozing out and making people faint but if he wanted to use it at full strength would take concious effort

as for how long haki can go on, i think it depends on the strength of the Haki and the concentration of the user

On March 22 2012 01:05 Scaramanga wrote:

There's nothing to say that exerting your haki (which is exertion of your character) would make you tired. If you look at the scene where Shanks goes aboard Whitebeard's ship he can't help but knock out the weaker Whitebeard pirates with his kings haki, if he can't stop that how is he able to continually expell it without getting tired? Your 'character' can't really become worn out.
Sanji's heart getting swapped was apart of the gag, not something you can draw conclusions from (also hes not confirmed as a haki user yet). I can't say Nami has haki because she can bruise Luffy can I?
Also with Law cutting Tashigi's haki it can't be automatically thought of as haki vs haki. Unless you have a strong character it takes years of training to bring haki out, its more likely that Laws power and ability with his sword was enough to cut through her relatively weak haki.

On March 22 2012 01:24 divinesage wrote:


It wouldn't make sense otherwise to have Haki being expelled infinitely without any form of control or drawback. It would simply make the entire premise ridiculous. Of course these are merely my deductions but I daresay that they are rather reasonable. The part about Shanks also doesn't disprove my theory, if he had so much mastery of his Haki, he could probably let a little out and not feel tired at all, kinda like a very fit long distance runner who would quite easily feel comfortable jogging at a leisurely pace for a very very long time.

As for Sanji's Haki part, I believe Rayleigh did mention before that everyone had Haki. That led me to the idea that a characters levelf of Haki is somewhat (somewhat, not exactly always) proportional to his fighting abilities. I think what Oda was trying to do here with Haki was somehow base it off aspects of battle sense and basically being "in the zone": Where experienced fighters or competitors in sport usually have after many years of practise and training. In short, they just feel it, and know what to do next. Of course again, these are my speculations, but it does seem like a very reasonable fit to how Oda has shaped the entire story so far.

As for the actual manifestation of Haki, well, there is no proff that Sanji has actually manifested it, but if you remember when Rayleigh used Haoshoku Haki at the auction house, none of the Strawhats fell prey to it because they were all strong enough (sufficient innate Haki) to withstand the blast. So there's no reason why all the Strawhats here (especially Sanji) wouldn't have resisted Law's (quite likely Haki infused) attack to some extent. (Note that Law's attack was specifically directed at them and as such it's probably gonna be much stronger than a general Haoshoku Haki from Rayleigh that didn't really have direction at that time.)

On March 22 2012 10:42 Catch wrote:


I actually really like your theory, so I'd say I'd agree with it.

After all, instead of knocking out the small fries, why not go for the larger guys if there is no drawback despite a limit? My memory is somewhat vague, but let's say shanks wanted to knock out the whitebeard's second mate or something with King's haki. I'm sure he could do this, but it would probably make him exponentially tired, enough to not be able to fight anymore. Plus didn't Luffy pass out after his first Haki in the Marineford arc?

Just some speculation from some vague recollections, a lot less grounded than yours.