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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On May 12 2018 03:02 Mensol wrote: Ivankov has already fought against admiral at Marineford. My bad, I meant fighting and stand strong. For Ivanokov it seemed more like fighting and escape. | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On May 11 2018 23:08 Hyperbola wrote: Not a fan of the commanders' designs. They were a lot cooler when they looked like this: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/lSt9ZAs.png) Also, I feel like Oda has been recycling ideas a bit too much recently. There's the wobbly ground thing which we saw with Senior Pink and Pika and then there's another mink (why???) and he's got a fancy gun like we just saw all over the place in Whole Cake. The flag lady might be a bit original (even though it's just the Kambaka cuisine in devil fruit form) but her power is super lame. Only One Piece Itachi may have some potential - remains to be seen though. I agree. I feel exactly the same way too but couldn't quite put my thumb on it. His revealing of new members we haven't seen doesn't draw the same emotional response from me. It doesn't feel new, it doesn't feel fresh. and that's where i can't decide if the fact we placed too a high of an expectation on oda, or that he wrote himself into a corner with an overabundance of personalities that he can't all make unique. very much in the same sense, Marvel has 100's of characters, but only a handful of like 20 are very well grounded and recognizable. and the commander mink ugh...it just screams of rocket racoon to me. Knowing oda draws inspiration from western society, there's no way he didn't watch avengers lmfao. I know a lot of people like karasu, the crow theme is over played, naruto kinda beat a dead horse with itachi on that. he just seems so cliche, super serious looking, with the beak of a crow...named karasu...yeah... Not to mention it's come to a point where he's using too many giants. while i think the setup for this one is well done, a giant who can traverse the earth (ironic) but well done, it doesn't feel like anything new. There's some giant on someone's team in every arc... | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6668 Posts
On May 13 2018 06:33 saocyn wrote: I agree. I feel exactly the same way too but couldn't quite put my thumb on it. His revealing of new members we haven't seen doesn't draw the same emotional response from me. It doesn't feel new, it doesn't feel fresh. and that's where i can't decide if the fact we placed too a high of an expectation on oda, or that he wrote himself into a corner with an overabundance of personalities that he can't all make unique. very much in the same sense, Marvel has 100's of characters, but only a handful of like 20 are very well grounded and recognizable. and the commander mink ugh...it just screams of rocket racoon to me. Knowing oda draws inspiration from western society, there's no way he didn't watch avengers lmfao. I know a lot of people like karasu, the crow theme is over played, naruto kinda beat a dead horse with itachi on that. he just seems so cliche, super serious looking, with the beak of a crow...named karasu...yeah... Not to mention it's come to a point where he's using too many giants. while i think the setup for this one is well done, a giant who can traverse the earth (ironic) but well done, it doesn't feel like anything new. There's some giant on someone's team in every arc... I actually disagree. We haven't even seen the commanders go all out yet. They were fucking around giving support. Their whole purpose their was to show the people that they can fight for themselves. They haven't revealed 1/10th of what they can do from the way I read it. Their designs are interesting to me as well. I think the giant isn't using a devil fruit I think its his harpoon and device on his back bending the ground. Flag girls power fits revolutionary perfectly. And we haven't seen near enough of the other twos powers to say anything. I guess people will always find things to bitch about. But I just don't see the reason to complain here. I'm hype af for these characters. Also side note, you realize that of course at this point in the story we are gonna start seeing a lot of similar characters. He's revealed almost all the races in one piece. So its gonna be humans, giants, mink, long leg/arms. How is it a problem having another giant and mink when we went the entire first like 800 chapters without minks. and the rare giant. At least be reasonable when bitching about shit. | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On May 12 2018 05:26 Mun_Su wrote: My bad, I meant fighting and stand strong. For Ivanokov it seemed more like fighting and escape. In all fairness, it was Akainu, which should even give Dragon a hard time. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On May 16 2018 00:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The revolutionary commander girl seems to have an awfully convenient devil fruit. I would had though Oda would had made the ability to inspire not a devil fruit but whatever. It would had simply been so much better if the locals were genuinely inspired rather than semi brainwashed by magical power. It didn't brainwash them. All it did was give them a physical buff. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 16 2018 00:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The revolutionary commander girl seems to have an awfully convenient devil fruit. I would had though Oda would had made the ability to inspire not a devil fruit but whatever. It would had simply been so much better if the locals were genuinely inspired rather than semi brainwashed by magical power. Actually I think that's one of the more creative ones in a while. Essentially it looks like these guys are going around to communities oppressed by pirates or the WG specifically because of her power as not only does it let people fight back against their oppressors, it also really advocates for further revolutionary action and creates hype/spreads word about what the RA are all about. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On May 16 2018 01:20 Slaughter wrote: It didn't brainwash them. All it did was give them a physical buff. Now that I reread it, you are right. Anyways, the problem I have with the convenient devil fruit power is that, well its convenient. It takes away from the important revolutionary part of a revolution and just turns it into a devil fruit power. It just feels like a waste of potential. Imagine that the townpeople were simply inspired and beat back the pirates on their own strength without use of that devil fruit. It would had been a much more well told storyline, and presumely whatever role she will play, if it isn't something like randomly buffing luffy permanently could had been done with just sheer leadership. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On May 16 2018 02:40 WaveofShadow wrote: Actually I think that's one of the more creative ones in a while. Essentially it looks like these guys are going around to communities oppressed by pirates or the WG specifically because of her power as not only does it let people fight back against their oppressors, it also really advocates for further revolutionary action and creates hype/spreads word about what the RA are all about. more like they were on there way to the meeting rather then purposely looking for random towns under attack | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
Would be weird for revolutionnary commanders to be that strong, if that was the case they would already have overthrown the government | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On May 16 2018 19:38 Lylat wrote: Aren't admirals at least as strong as emperors? Would be weird for revolutionnary commanders to be that strong, if that was the case they would already have overthrown the government I believe it's fair to say that Admirals are less powerful than Emperors. One instance for example, is where Kizaru is afraid to move against Benn Beckman when Luffy almost escapes the big war. If Kizaru was on the level of an emporer, an "underling" the likes of Benn Beckman, wouldn't scare Kizaru this much, unless he is a hard counter to Kizaru. Then there is/was Aokiji (Kuzan), which joined the Blackbeards after losing to Akainu and was one of the strongest Admirals, yet probably won't be strong enough to beat any of the Yonko. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
The rest of the Admirals are on par with the strongest one on Yonkou's crew. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
On May 16 2018 20:43 Mensol wrote: Only Akainu is strong as the emperors on current marines. There is a reason Blackbeard was running away once he saw him on the ship. The rest of the Admirals are on par with the strongest one on Yonkou's crew. I'm not one for power levels but that clearly can't be the case since Aokiji and Akainu fought evenly for 10 days straight on Punk Hazard. They were evenly matched and Akainu winning was pretty much a coin toss. The real answer to power level discussion is this: once you get to a certain "level" in One Piece, you're basically in the big leagues - and fights are determined by the interaction of powers (devil fruit counters, etc.) and by willpower. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On May 16 2018 19:54 WonnaPlay wrote: I believe it's fair to say that Admirals are less powerful than Emperors. One instance for example, is where Kizaru is afraid to move against Benn Beckman when Luffy almost escapes the big war. If Kizaru was on the level of an emporer, an "underling" the likes of Benn Beckman, wouldn't scare Kizaru this much, unless he is a hard counter to Kizaru. Then there is/was Aokiji (Kuzan), which joined the Blackbeards after losing to Akainu and was one of the strongest Admirals, yet probably won't be strong enough to beat any of the Yonko. I didn't know Kuzan joined the BBeard crew :o What a scary bunch those are. Now I really want Zoro to beat him when/if the strawhats fight them. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
I'm assuming ulterior motives of some sort because of all the admirals he was the 'good' one | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On May 16 2018 21:12 Hyperbola wrote: I'm not one for power levels but that clearly can't be the case since Aokiji and Akainu fought evenly for 10 days straight on Punk Hazard. They were evenly matched and Akainu winning was pretty much a coin toss. The real answer to power level discussion is this: once you get to a certain "level" in One Piece, you're basically in the big leagues - and fights are determined by the interaction of powers (devil fruit counters, etc.) and by willpower. I dont remember such thing about it being a coin toss. would appreciate it if you give source. If it was coin toss/even fight, how did Aokiji end up losing one of his legs while Akainu is as strong as ever? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18774 Posts
On May 17 2018 00:47 Mensol wrote: I dont remember such thing about it being a coin toss. would appreciate it if you give source. If it was coin toss/even fight, how did Aokiji end up losing one of his legs while Akainu is as strong as ever? because magma > ice If anything Aokiji is actually stronger than Akainu. He managed to keep on par with a horrible disadvantage for 10 days. If fruits were reversed, Aokiji would prolly roflstomp Akainu | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On May 17 2018 00:55 sharkie wrote: because magma > ice If anything Aokiji is actually stronger than Akainu. He managed to keep on par with a horrible disadvantage for 10 days. If fruits were reversed, Aokiji would prolly roflstomp Akainu no he is not, what you say is completely assumption. and i think DF is barely matters at very high level fights, what matters is how strong their haki is. It is clear that Akainu got stronger types of haki than Aokiji. If you want to see how strong Akainu is then rewatch Akainu vs 13 WB commanders again. see, i can do assumption as well. | ||
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