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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
May 19 2018 21:22 GMT
#28881
On May 20 2018 06:01 Mensol wrote:
First of all, Akainu is a fleet-admiral, and was fleet-admiral when BB saw him. Even when he was just an admiral, he was stronger than the rest of admirals without a doubt. It is also rubbish to think that Admirals are as strong as yonkou just because of Akainu fought WB since Akainu is tier of his own among the admirals (check out the Oda quote on which is on this page). I have no doubt that Big Mom, Shanks etc. would punk all the admirals in 1v1 thats not named Akainu.

im not saying that smoothie, cracker, or snack, im saying Katakuri, who is the strongest after Big Mom on Big Mom Pirates, or Marco, who is also the strongest after WB. Marco and Benn Beckman has already proven that they have what it takes to fight against an admiral, and there is no reason for Katakuri to do same. I'd even argue that Katakuri has shown to be stronger than both Marco and Jack with his haki stuff but some reason people are underestimating him.

Admirals = Commander doesnt mean One Piece is ruined. Oda has already shown at Marineford that the right hand/strongest one on yonkou's crew is as strong as an admiral.


you and i are reading one piece so differently. Akainu and aokiji were almost equal to each other. Oda said indirectly through don chin jao that luffy must beat 4 yonkos and 4 admirals to become PK. Oda is suggesting that admirals are on same tier as yo kos.
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MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-19 21:44:27
May 19 2018 21:43 GMT
#28882
On May 20 2018 06:01 Mensol wrote:
First of all, Akainu is a fleet-admiral, and was fleet-admiral when BB saw him. Even when he was just an admiral, he was stronger than the rest of admirals without a doubt. It is also rubbish to think that Admirals are as strong as yonkou just because of Akainu fought WB since Akainu is tier of his own among the admirals (check out the Oda quote on which is on this page). I have no doubt that Big Mom, Shanks etc. would punk all the admirals in 1v1 thats not named Akainu.

im not saying that smoothie, cracker, or snack, im saying Katakuri, who is the strongest after Big Mom on Big Mom Pirates, or Marco, who is also the strongest after WB. Marco and Benn Beckman has already proven that they have what it takes to fight against an admiral, and there is no reason for Katakuri to do same. I'd even argue that Katakuri has shown to be stronger than both Marco and Jack with his haki stuff but some reason people are underestimating him.

Admirals = Commander doesnt mean One Piece is ruined. Oda has already shown at Marineford that the right hand/strongest one on yonkou's crew is as strong as an admiral.

Aokiji losing a fight after 10 days means Akainu is clearly far stronger but Marco surviving one attack from Kizaru means they're on the same level?
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 19 2018 22:01 GMT
#28883
I dont remember saying such thing as "far stronger", i have just said Akainu is stronger than Aokiji and the rest of admirals, and their fight at Punk Hazard is proved it. Feel free to ignore this fact. I also could recommend you to watch the Marco vs Three Admirals video on the last page, its clear that you dont remember some stuff.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 19 2018 22:07 GMT
#28884
Nah, I agree Akainu is stronger than the other admirals, but Marco blindsides Aokiji and doesn't do any damage to Kizaru. He might be close to admiral level but I don't think he could beat any of them.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
May 19 2018 23:08 GMT
#28885
On May 20 2018 07:01 Mensol wrote:
I dont remember saying such thing as "far stronger", i have just said Akainu is stronger than Aokiji and the rest of admirals, and their fight at Punk Hazard is proved it. Feel free to ignore this fact. I also could recommend you to watch the Marco vs Three Admirals video on the last page, its clear that you dont remember some stuff.


can you react to my don chin jao comments please?
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 20 2018 00:20 GMT
#28886
On May 20 2018 08:08 Shinokuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2018 07:01 Mensol wrote:
I dont remember saying such thing as "far stronger", i have just said Akainu is stronger than Aokiji and the rest of admirals, and their fight at Punk Hazard is proved it. Feel free to ignore this fact. I also could recommend you to watch the Marco vs Three Admirals video on the last page, its clear that you dont remember some stuff.


can you react to my don chin jao comments please?

You have to beat the strongest pirates on new world, and the strongest soldiers on WG to become pirate king, there is no such suggestion about admirals being as strong as a yonkou. what don chin jao says is like water is wet.

Put everything aside, you have seen what Fujitora is capable of at Dressrosa arc, and what Big Mom is capable of at WCI arc. Do you really think that he has a chance against Big Mom? Big Mom would fucking rock his world, dude cant even stop Doflamingo's cage. Big Mom would have opened that shit with her bare hands lol.

Another example is that Doflamingo is shitting in his pants when Law tells him that Kaidou will come after him if he cant produce smiles anymore, but at the same time he is not afraid to take a fight with Fujitora.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-20 02:57:37
May 20 2018 02:57 GMT
#28887
most of your measurements for how strong anyone is are all speculative and bullshit. "opened it with her bare hands"...lol. u dont know that, no one knows that. youre reaching forik levels of no logic
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
May 20 2018 02:59 GMT
#28888
On May 20 2018 09:20 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2018 08:08 Shinokuki wrote:
On May 20 2018 07:01 Mensol wrote:
I dont remember saying such thing as "far stronger", i have just said Akainu is stronger than Aokiji and the rest of admirals, and their fight at Punk Hazard is proved it. Feel free to ignore this fact. I also could recommend you to watch the Marco vs Three Admirals video on the last page, its clear that you dont remember some stuff.


can you react to my don chin jao comments please?

You have to beat the strongest pirates on new world, and the strongest soldiers on WG to become pirate king, there is no such suggestion about admirals being as strong as a yonkou. what don chin jao says is like water is wet.

Put everything aside, you have seen what Fujitora is capable of at Dressrosa arc, and what Big Mom is capable of at WCI arc. Do you really think that he has a chance against Big Mom? Big Mom would fucking rock his world, dude cant even stop Doflamingo's cage. Big Mom would have opened that shit with her bare hands lol.

Another example is that Doflamingo is shitting in his pants when Law tells him that Kaidou will come after him if he cant produce smiles anymore, but at the same time he is not afraid to take a fight with Fujitora.



Wouldn't it make a lot of sense if the marines had some guy who was at a near-yonkou level though? If they can become that strong, why wouldn't admirals be able to get the same kind of power?
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
May 20 2018 04:07 GMT
#28889
IDK what people are even arguing about right now.

Nothing saying that Adminrals can't get to that level, its just a safe assumption that they haven't. Without a doubt the Admirals are powerful, but one of the things that the Marineford arc demonstrated was the power of a Yonkou Crew, and a Yonkou themselves. The Marines called back virtually every single bigshot they had, plus the Shichibukai, all in order to repel a single Yonkou crew. We saw Whitebeard's top officers squaring off against the best of the Marines and holding their own. They only started to falter due to momentary lapses in concentration. And then at the end, Whitebeard himself mopped the floor with Akainu after losing half of his face and getting run through by that one guy who got tricked into literally backstabbing him, and with already failing oldman health.

All that said, Akainu dealt some many serious blows to Whitebeard, so its not like he stood no chance. And he got back up after all of this and kept going, so while hes probably not as strong as a Yonkou, hes probably close.

Aokiji did lose to Akainu, but a 10 day fight that came down to Akainu being ruthless tells me a whole lot, and that Aokiji is probably fairly close to Akainu in skill, especially considering an innate disadvantage with his Devil Fruit. We don't really have much hard data on where the likes of Fujitora and Kizaru rank compared to those two, other than being the same rank, they should be roughly on the same level.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 20 2018 13:54 GMT
#28890
On May 20 2018 11:57 evilfatsh1t wrote:
most of your measurements for how strong anyone is are all speculative and bullshit. "opened it with her bare hands"...lol. u dont know that, no one knows that. youre reaching forik levels of no logic

Its not speculative and bullshit. im giving you examples from the series.

Did Doflamingo shat in his pants when he heard that Kaidou might come after him? yes.

Did he threaten to kill Fujitora after he proposed that he has plan to abolish shichibukai system and clashed with him? yes.

then how it is speculative that thinking yonkous are level above of admirals? You have seen what Big Mom is capable of as well.


On May 20 2018 11:59 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2018 09:20 Mensol wrote:
On May 20 2018 08:08 Shinokuki wrote:
On May 20 2018 07:01 Mensol wrote:
I dont remember saying such thing as "far stronger", i have just said Akainu is stronger than Aokiji and the rest of admirals, and their fight at Punk Hazard is proved it. Feel free to ignore this fact. I also could recommend you to watch the Marco vs Three Admirals video on the last page, its clear that you dont remember some stuff.


can you react to my don chin jao comments please?

You have to beat the strongest pirates on new world, and the strongest soldiers on WG to become pirate king, there is no such suggestion about admirals being as strong as a yonkou. what don chin jao says is like water is wet.

Put everything aside, you have seen what Fujitora is capable of at Dressrosa arc, and what Big Mom is capable of at WCI arc. Do you really think that he has a chance against Big Mom? Big Mom would fucking rock his world, dude cant even stop Doflamingo's cage. Big Mom would have opened that shit with her bare hands lol.

Another example is that Doflamingo is shitting in his pants when Law tells him that Kaidou will come after him if he cant produce smiles anymore, but at the same time he is not afraid to take a fight with Fujitora.



Wouldn't it make a lot of sense if the marines had some guy who was at a near-yonkou level though? If they can become that strong, why wouldn't admirals be able to get the same kind of power?

I have already said that Akainu is very close to Yonkou level, buts its only him since Garp and Sengoku are retired.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18746 Posts
May 20 2018 14:55 GMT
#28891
I gotta defend Mensol here.
Doflamingo was seriously afraid of Kaidou and challenged Fujitora no problem. He was even going to entrap him in the bird cage.

But its pretty consensus that Yonkou>Admiral>Yonkou Commanders anyway, no?
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 20 2018 15:31 GMT
#28892
I contest that BB is actually that strong, and would go as far to say he isnt true younkou level yet and was in fact kinda only mid tier before he stole WB's fruit. And even with both fruits, he has a littlw bit of team rocket in him since he is a bit of a clumsy oof.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
May 20 2018 16:03 GMT
#28893
On May 20 2018 23:55 sharkie wrote:
I gotta defend Mensol here.
Doflamingo was seriously afraid of Kaidou and challenged Fujitora no problem. He was even going to entrap him in the bird cage.

But its pretty consensus that Yonkou>Admiral>Yonkou Commanders anyway, no?

yeah but mensol is saying yonkou commander =/> admirals
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 20 2018 16:10 GMT
#28894
On May 21 2018 01:03 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2018 23:55 sharkie wrote:
I gotta defend Mensol here.
Doflamingo was seriously afraid of Kaidou and challenged Fujitora no problem. He was even going to entrap him in the bird cage.

But its pretty consensus that Yonkou>Admiral>Yonkou Commanders anyway, no?

yeah but mensol is saying yonkou commander =/> admirals

stop with the fake narratives buddy. i have never said that commanders are stronger than admirals, ive said they are equal in terms of power.

to be precise, im saying the right hand/strongest one(Marco, Benn Beckman, Katakuri) on the yonkou's crew = admirals thats not named Akainu. Which means not all the commanders(!!!!) I have already accepted that likes Jozu, Snacks, Vista etc. are weaker than admirals.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
May 20 2018 17:05 GMT
#28895
This is the best
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 20 2018 18:23 GMT
#28896
On May 20 2018 23:55 sharkie wrote:
I gotta defend Mensol here.
Doflamingo was seriously afraid of Kaidou and challenged Fujitora no problem. He was even going to entrap him in the bird cage.

But its pretty consensus that Yonkou>Admiral>Yonkou Commanders anyway, no?

he challenged fujitora because he knew fujitora couldn't do something to him due to his statut

the problem is that WB just break how we see the power of an emperor - after reading left and right i've come to the conclusion that WB is just in a league of its own, even around the yonko (after all he has the power to break the world, as sengoku said so that's the reason the marine went all in to stop him)

that being said, we have to truly understand what we're talking about when speaking of a yonko : the sheer power of the emperor, its influence, fleet, number of soldiers ? imo it's a bit of all of that

OP power structure would be broken if an admiral had the same level as a yonko commander, for me it doesn't make sense

so far we know the strenght of two yonko : BB and big mom, and theorically (if we consider that BB didn't master fully his second devil fruit), except akainu, i see kizaru and fujitora close to them

i agree that all of this is quite tricky
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
May 20 2018 18:35 GMT
#28897
Enel > admirals
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 20 2018 21:29 GMT
#28898
I disagree.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States924 Posts
May 20 2018 23:10 GMT
#28899
i cant wait until admirals stomp everyone except yonkos. God i remember when these kind of fans were putting doffy as admiral level.
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Superouman
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
France2195 Posts
May 21 2018 12:16 GMT
#28900
On May 21 2018 03:35 Shellshock wrote:
Enel > admirals

If you weren't a mod, i'd have reported you for putting Enel back into the conversation before i did.
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