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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8634 Posts
May 17 2018 02:23 GMT
#28861
youre all wrong. their power level is over 9000
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 17 2018 03:31 GMT
#28862
No chapter this week apparently.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 17 2018 03:32 GMT
#28863
Short chapter followed by no chapter. Ded gaem?
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2536 Posts
May 17 2018 12:56 GMT
#28864
On May 17 2018 00:47 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2018 21:12 Hyperbola wrote:
On May 16 2018 20:43 Mensol wrote:
Only Akainu is strong as the emperors on current marines. There is a reason Blackbeard was running away once he saw him on the ship.

The rest of the Admirals are on par with the strongest one on Yonkou's crew.

I'm not one for power levels but that clearly can't be the case since Aokiji and Akainu fought evenly for 10 days straight on Punk Hazard. They were evenly matched and Akainu winning was pretty much a coin toss.

The real answer to power level discussion is this: once you get to a certain "level" in One Piece, you're basically in the big leagues - and fights are determined by the interaction of powers (devil fruit counters, etc.) and by willpower.

I dont remember such thing about it being a coin toss. would appreciate it if you give source.

If it was coin toss/even fight, how did Aokiji end up losing one of his legs while Akainu is as strong as ever?

Maybe it was an attack of opportunity. You realize that fights are chaotic and anything can happen, right? In fact, they fought for 10 days straight. That is absolutely insane. How long did Luffy and Katakuri fight for? A few hours? The longest fight we've seen was Luffy vs. Cracker which lasted an entire night and was literally Cracker making soldiers and Luffy eating them. Aokiji vs. Akainu went for 240 hours straight of them just throwing elements at eachother, so much so that Punk Hazard is literally split in half, with one side being a freezing wasteland and the other being a fiery hell.

If you play 100 games of Star Craft vs another guy and you win 51 to 49 does that mean that you are now inherently better than them and your power level is 1000 points higher? Or does it mean that you're basically tit for tat and just you just happened to win twice in a row? You tell me.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 18 2018 16:46 GMT
#28865
Akainu would have fought for another ten days if needed lol. Dude stood against WB's earthquakes, then came back and fought against 13 WB commanders all alone. Aokiji's durability is not as good as Akainu's so its not a surprise that he eventually lost.

According to an interview with Eiichiro Oda, he stated that if Sakazuki were to become the protagonist, he is so strong that he could end the One Piece series within a year


This is all you need to know about Akainu.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 18 2018 17:23 GMT
#28866
I would say that the fact that they fought evenly for 10 days and one side only lost a leg is an inidicator that their skills and ability are pretty much equal. That's pretty much the direct inference I had gotten. I don't see anything to support that Akainu is any much stronger than Aokiji.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 18 2018 19:17 GMT
#28867
On May 19 2018 02:23 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I would say that the fact that they fought evenly for 10 days and one side only lost a leg is an inidicator that their skills and ability are pretty much equal. That's pretty much the direct inference I had gotten. I don't see anything to support that Akainu is any much stronger than Aokiji.

"They were both severly wounded, though Akainu is pitiless, he showed mercy to his former comrade who couldnt even stand".

If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2536 Posts
May 18 2018 19:50 GMT
#28868
[image loading]

Could have been one attack he failed to dodge that took out his leg.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 19 2018 12:43 GMT
#28869
On May 16 2018 20:43 Mensol wrote:
Only Akainu is strong as the emperors on current marines. There is a reason Blackbeard was running away once he saw him on the ship.

The rest of the Admirals are on par with the strongest one on Yonkou's crew.

what
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 19 2018 12:54 GMT
#28870
On May 19 2018 21:43 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2018 20:43 Mensol wrote:
Only Akainu is strong as the emperors on current marines. There is a reason Blackbeard was running away once he saw him on the ship.

The rest of the Admirals are on par with the strongest one on Yonkou's crew.

what

Katakuri, Marco, Benn Beckmann and the King on Kaidou's crew are on par with the Admirals.

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On upper right, there is a paper which says, "Kaidou, King, Queen, Jack", which confirms for me that Jack is not the strongest after Kaidou on Beast pirates.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 19 2018 15:24 GMT
#28871
No way Katakuri is the same level as an admiral if he just got beat by Luffy. That would leave a huge power level gap between the yonkou and everyone else.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 19 2018 17:10 GMT
#28872
On May 20 2018 00:24 MajuGarzett wrote:
No way Katakuri is the same level as an admiral if he just got beat by Luffy. That would leave a huge power level gap between the yonkou and everyone else.

It was more of Katakuri letting him win than Luffy winning it lol. That being said, Luffy has already fought with Admiral in equal terms at Dressrosa.

Katakuri is easily on Admiral level.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
May 19 2018 17:33 GMT
#28873
On May 20 2018 02:10 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2018 00:24 MajuGarzett wrote:
No way Katakuri is the same level as an admiral if he just got beat by Luffy. That would leave a huge power level gap between the yonkou and everyone else.

It was more of Katakuri letting him win than Luffy winning it lol. That being said, Luffy has already fought with Admiral in equal terms at Dressrosa.

Katakuri is easily on Admiral level.

To me it looks like Katakuri collapsed from exhaustion, not that he let Luffy win. Also I don't think Fujitora was actually trying. Since Aokiji is a yonkou subordinate there might be others at or near admiral level, but I don't think Katakuri is one of those.
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
May 19 2018 17:41 GMT
#28874
i think you're overanalyzing the kizaru - ben beckman - i don't deny ben beckman as being a true menace, but what happened was more in the line of your average kirazu behavior than anything

i disagree when you say that katakuri is easily on admiral level because it wouldn't make sense at all in the OP universe, where the admirals are supposed to be the absolute force of the WG, it would create a huge imbalance between them and the yonko

green bull has been hyped by dofy as a monster and as an equal to fujitora, the very same fujitora that literally sent a meteorite from space during the dressrosa arc and also leveled the whole island thanks to gravity - i have hardly been impressed that way by katakuri
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 19 2018 18:09 GMT
#28875
FYI Whitebeard pirates already had Marco, who was on Admiral level, Jack has also fought against Sengoku, Fujitora and Tsuru, end up destroying two of marine ships and still survived at the end. No need to explain Benn Beckman. There is no doubt that Katakuri is on Admiral level.

Katakuri stand all alone against the SH/FireTank alliance during the wedding, probably have the best haki weve seen in series and over 1 billion bounty. His haki is so strong that he can see the glimpse of the future, enough reason for me to him being on admiral level and take on the admirals.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8634 Posts
May 19 2018 18:17 GMT
#28876
maybe its because the wb pirates appeared too early in the manga, but theyre all useless as far as im concerned. ace got rekt by both blackbeard and akainu, marco was a spectator, jozu got rekt by aokiji and vista couldnt even beat mihawk.
theres no way marco is admiral level unless oda decides to redeem marco big time.

jack surviving against 3 marines isnt really indicative of his "strength" the guys alive underwater with a devil fruit so clearly something else is going on with his survivability skills. he still shat himself when he saw those 3 at the start.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
May 19 2018 18:25 GMT
#28877
im talking about the strongest on Yonkou's crew. Jozu, Ace or Vista are not fit on what ive said. Jack didnt shit himself btw, and Marco wasnt only a spectator. It is true that Marco didnt look amazing at Marineford but he still hold his ground against Admirals, had no problem dealing with Kizaru.




If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8634 Posts
May 19 2018 19:33 GMT
#28878
i dunno about you but jacks face at the end of the video doesnt exactly say "lul look at these old time scrubs. ez gaem gg no re". seems more like "oh shit i want to run but im on a slow ass boat. gg no re"
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
May 19 2018 20:41 GMT
#28879
On May 20 2018 03:25 Mensol wrote:
im talking about the strongest on Yonkou's crew. Jozu, Ace or Vista are not fit on what ive said. Jack didnt shit himself btw, and Marco wasnt only a spectator. It is true that Marco didnt look amazing at Marineford but he still hold his ground against Admirals, had no problem dealing with Kizaru.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJNifLWvNYA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im54-9uuREk


This is such a bad opinion. Admirals are slightly less than yonkos. Akainu almost killed wb by himself and only lost because of sneak attack. Akainu then went on to face the entire wb commanders. Imagine if kizaru with serious injury faced the likes of katakuri, smoothie,cracker, snack, and etc and went even? Thats how powerful admirals are. Admirals can easily mid diff top level commanders. If you say admirals are equal to commanders that would be a travesty as you would be suggesting luffy can take on kizaru and beat him. This is far from the truth. Also the fact that you said admirals = commanders means that one piece is ruined. One of luffy’s end game boss will only be a mere commander level. Oda has always hinted that admirals are on same tier as yonko. BB running away with his entire crew when akainu was coming for them. Admirals easily defeating wb commanders as shown in marine ford. Akainu being favored vs injured wsm. Garp/sengoku fighting yonko level shiko,roger,wb at the time.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-05-19 21:02:35
May 19 2018 21:01 GMT
#28880
First of all, Akainu is a fleet-admiral, and was fleet-admiral when BB saw him. Even when he was just an admiral, he was stronger than the rest of admirals without a doubt. It is also rubbish to think that Admirals are as strong as yonkou just because of Akainu fought WB since Akainu is tier of his own among the admirals (check out the Oda quote on which is on this page). I have no doubt that Big Mom, Shanks etc. would punk all the admirals in 1v1 thats not named Akainu.

im not saying that smoothie, cracker, or snack, im saying Katakuri, who is the strongest after Big Mom on Big Mom Pirates, or Marco, who is also the strongest after WB. Marco and Benn Beckman has already proven that they have what it takes to fight against an admiral, and there is no reason for Katakuri to do same. I'd even argue that Katakuri has shown to be stronger than both Marco and Jack with his haki stuff but some reason people are underestimating him.

Admirals = Commander doesnt mean One Piece is ruined. Oda has already shown at Marineford that the right hand/strongest one on yonkou's crew is as strong as an admiral.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
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