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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18775 Posts
On April 27 2017 14:33 Lylat wrote: it would be crazy for the SH to defeat Big Mom here when they don't even have their strongest members That's why they won't do it. | ||
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Elerris
Australia137 Posts
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Yhamm
France7248 Posts
On April 28 2017 01:16 Elerris wrote: Next chapter May 8th... My heart cannot deal. that's the release date for the magazine I think, which means you will have the chapter next week | ||
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
Not to mention killing someone would tarnish their name. | ||
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
On April 28 2017 04:38 nitram wrote: Not to mention killing someone would tarnish their name. No one even mentioned killing, though. What Luffy does is worse than killing, though. He destroys their dreams; the ultimate defeat in One Piece world. | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
On April 28 2017 05:07 Rehio wrote: Luffy is the real villain of one piece. No one even mentioned killing, though. What Luffy does is worse than killing, though. He destroys their dreams; the ultimate defeat in One Piece world. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8945 Posts
we all think luffy is the "good" guy because hes the main character, but tbh hes a pretty big criminal if you look at it from an unbiased perspective. assassinations arent that out of line with what criminals do | ||
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Elentos
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On April 28 2017 19:14 evilfatsh1t wrote: well he is a pirate.... we all think luffy is the "good" guy because hes the main character, but tbh hes a pretty big criminal if you look at it from an unbiased perspective. assassinations arent that out of line with what criminals do I'm pretty sure people consider Luffy the good guy because he's at his heart a good person. He's repeatedly put his own life at risk to help those in need, even without really knowing who they are. Most of his fights were against other criminals (ones worse than him). | ||
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Yorbon
Netherlands4272 Posts
That the conventional conceptions of good and evil don't work, is a big reason of why I think OP is interesting. The label 'unbiased' is useless here. As evil is not (politically) well defined, it is impossible to be evil from an unbiased perspective. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
On April 28 2017 18:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote: This is actually a weirdly dark moment in one piece as Luffy has decided to participate in an assassination. What makes it even weirder is the way it is depicted in a happy carefree way as if he is just exploring the world, following his dream of adventure. the day luffy freed criminals in impel down to save his friends was the day luffy turned into EVIL | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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Rehio
United States1718 Posts
This whole deal reminded me of this, from Oda - D: How come Luffy never kills his enemies? Throughout "One Piece" manga so far, he didn't kill Mohji and Helmeppo, but Axe-arm Morgan was killed by Zoro, why is that? O: Hmm! That's a very good question. First, I have to announce that Morgan is still alive. He's currently in jail, where he was placed by his former subordinates. Why doesnt Luffy kill his enemies? Because in that era, everyone uses their lives to fight for their dreams. For an enemy, when their dream has been shattered, it is the same as losing a fight, and as painful as death. I believe, for a pirate not to kill an enemy, it's giving them a 2nd chance to fight for their dreams. Always found that pretty interesting. Oh, and just off-hand, does anyone know anything about the "SBS" submissions? How they're taken, if it's all just mail? I wonder if it would be possible to submit something from America. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
Typically in classic DnD, "evil" would constitute a character that is malicious to the point of unreasonableness... with Chaotic Evil basically being Chaotic Stupid. This would be the "Muahaha I will destroy the world because I'm evil" tye of characters. Over time, the alignment meter has been adapted for more nuance. Nowadays, "evil" could mean the same thing as "uncompromising" or "ruthless" or "Machiavellian." So, in example, Lawful Evil used to be a King that lays waste to the land with his legions of sociopathic knights because he gets pleasure from killing, Nowadays, Lawful Evil can also be an amoral politician that works within the system and subverts organizations to achieve a goal. Think: Frank Underwood from House of Cards or Gus Fring from Breaking Bad. Now, taking into account the above, Chaotic Evil could very well be someone that loves adventure and doing crazy things and is completely selfish in the sense that they would sacrifice others to gain enjoyment. Does that define Luffy? Up to interpretation. Luffy does care about his crew but ultimately has very little regard for others and is willing to step on other people if it benefits him and is "fun". Freeing the prisoners in Impel Down is evil, no matter which way you spin it. The important point here is whether Luffy realized exactly what he was doing and the ramifications of doing it at the time. Some of those prisoners could be rapists or murderers (provided that the OP universe allows for this). Allying with Bege to kill Big Mom is also straight up evil. Except here, Luffy knows full well that Bege is a terrible person (Jimbe told him) and also knows full well that he's about to kill someone with nerve gas. And there's also no argument that Luffy doesn't know about crazy gas weapons as he was on Punk Hazard when Caesar gassed the island. And even if Big Mom "had it coming" a Good or Neutral character would not have taken the easy approach and decided to murder the Yonko with nerve gas. Taking the easy road is an "evil" action - at least when it leads to violating the Geneva Convention. So I think Luffy is Chaotic Evil as of right now. He may fluctuate between Chaotic Neutral and maybe Good but right now he's Evil, regardless of whether the assassination plot actually works. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Hyperbola
United States2555 Posts
On April 29 2017 09:50 Sentenal wrote: Lawful Good paladins kill "evil" people all the time, so I don't think Luffy allying with Bege to kill one of the big bads of the universe is necessarily evil. One again, it depends on what alignment chart you're using. Back when "evil" literally meant "threat to society" and "good" meant "could do no wrong" then yeah, paladins would slaughter willy nilly. But try to imagine the same result when a paladin attempts to slay a corrupt politician because he detected evil. The results would be vastly different. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
Plus Luffy really didn't free the prisoners himself it was more or less a by product of his infiltration of Impel Down that he just kinda went along with because he was tunnel visioned on just saving his brother. Most, if not all his bad acts had a reason behind them, usually in the form of protecting the weak from the strong. He doesn't do it because he is trying to be good, it is all just stuff that comes to him as he adventures and meets new people. He makes friends pretty fast and easy and is really loyal to them and gets caught up in fights when they are abused. He doesn't seek to do evil things. He doesn't do what pirates do like raid cities and plunder ships and steal booty (look at his comical attempt to "steal" from the sky people....by taking long lost treasure they found in the belly of the snake why the sky people chased them trying to give them an even bigger reward). He is more selfish in that he mostly is just looking to pursue his own goal and protect his friends but he still helps people and he isn't willing to kill for his own personal goals either (has he even killed anyone ever?) That is why I said he is more Neutral or chaotic good depending on your definition. He really doesn't really dip into evil (and if you think he does neutral people do so from time to time anyway so it fits) | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On April 29 2017 10:38 Hyperbola wrote: One again, it depends on what alignment chart you're using. Back when "evil" literally meant "threat to society" and "good" meant "could do no wrong" then yeah, paladins would slaughter willy nilly. But try to imagine the same result when a paladin attempts to slay a corrupt politician because he detected evil. The results would be vastly different. Even in modern DND, "Good" still kills "Evil" all the time, and they wouldn't care about the method. Partly because Lawful Good is about as stupid as Chaotic Evil, but the act of killing isn't exclusive to either spectrum. | ||
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