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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 28 2016 17:57 GMT
#24301
I am still processing this chapter. SO much going on here.
maru lover forever
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-28 19:09:12
January 28 2016 19:08 GMT
#24302
Haha a family of assassins. I like it, but I still think the noble family would have made more sense. None of Sanji's personality traits (he was old enough to remember his family) or back story seems to indicate assassin The origin story we had so far was Sanji was working as a trainee cook on a ship that was attacked by Zeff, after the attack both ships were hit by a storm and sunk. Zeff saves Sanji then they start a restaurant together.

Now even if it's made up that Sanji was a trainee cook it's still likely he was alone in East Blue away from Vinsmoke family, a group of assassins, otherwise they would have defeated Zeff. The assassins have to be strong in some sort of capacity otherwise they wouldn't have the ability to influence Sanji's wanted poster. If they were a family of nobles instead it would make sense that they would be defeated as royalty throughout the series often have had shitty guards.

Why was Sanji in East Blue anyways? Was it training so Sanji could learn different professions and go undercover better? If they were nobles again it would make more sense as a vacation traveling the different oceans.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
January 28 2016 19:17 GMT
#24303
Poisoning someone's food is one of the best ways possible to assassinate someone.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
January 28 2016 20:22 GMT
#24304
Yes, but this is One Piece a shounen. If poisoning and undercover kills were the only method of assassination for a family they wouldn't be very good. Eventually they will have to get their hands dirty like CP9 did and get into a fight. Training to be a chef is all well and good, but his ship was attacked by pirates because the Vinsmoke family had poor or no protection for Sanji. Why train in East Blue as opposed to North Blue and if East why was there no protection for Sanji?

It could be Sanji was a neglected son, but through various misfortunes with the elder children he is now more important.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
January 28 2016 20:39 GMT
#24305
Probably Sanji ran away.
maru lover forever
1oo
Profile Joined April 2011
Portugal876 Posts
January 28 2016 21:47 GMT
#24306
Would love if Vinsmoke had a mansion like Zoldyck from HxH.
At the top of the game, we play by diferent rules.
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
January 28 2016 22:02 GMT
#24307
lol, what if Sanji was on a mission when he got to Zeff and stuff?
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
January 28 2016 22:43 GMT
#24308
I've said before that Sanji reminds me of James bond (when he's alone) so now that he's from a family of assassins I can see where that comes from!
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
January 28 2016 22:51 GMT
#24309
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
January 28 2016 23:37 GMT
#24310
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.

They are big players in the underworld. Naturally, they'd have enough money to pull strings.
What I'm curious about is the Brook connection. What's he so angsty about?
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sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden889 Posts
January 29 2016 00:57 GMT
#24311
nobles made 100x more sense dissapointed it was assasins
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 29 2016 01:28 GMT
#24312
On January 29 2016 08:37 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.

They are big players in the underworld. Naturally, they'd have enough money to pull strings.
What I'm curious about is the Brook connection. What's he so angsty about?


Something must have happened to do with the Vinsmoke family in his past. Some people have speculated that the Vinsmoke killed or are related to the people who killed Brook and his crew.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
January 29 2016 02:53 GMT
#24313
On January 29 2016 08:37 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.

They are big players in the underworld. Naturally, they'd have enough money to pull strings.
What I'm curious about is the Brook connection. What's he so angsty about?

yeah big players in the underworld. that usually means theyre enemies to the government, so it doesnt explain how someone was able to pull strings to make a government wanted poster keep the son of an assassin family alive. youd expect the government would want anyone from a big underworld family to just be dead
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
January 29 2016 02:59 GMT
#24314
On January 29 2016 11:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 08:37 Hyperbola wrote:
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.

They are big players in the underworld. Naturally, they'd have enough money to pull strings.
What I'm curious about is the Brook connection. What's he so angsty about?

yeah big players in the underworld. that usually means theyre enemies to the government, so it doesnt explain how someone was able to pull strings to make a government wanted poster keep the son of an assassin family alive. youd expect the government would want anyone from a big underworld family to just be dead

You're right, silly me. All politicians are perfectly ethical and can never be bought. What was I thinking?
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terranghost
Profile Joined May 2010
United States980 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 03:36:55
January 29 2016 03:36 GMT
#24315
To those wondering about the note and the secret meaning, I think you are thinking too much about it. I think Sanji was using his observation Haki and noticed the cat boss was coming so he started to write a note and this allowed him to approach nami ect. with said note with Capone getting suspicious allowing him to throw Nami ect. out of the castle. And since the cat boss was close Capone didnt want to risk a fight so he ran away.
"It is amazing that people who think we cannot afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, and medication somehow think that we can afford to pay for doctors, hospitals, medication and a government bureaucracy to administer it." - Thomas Sowell
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8778 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 04:09:09
January 29 2016 04:05 GMT
#24316
On January 29 2016 11:59 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 11:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On January 29 2016 08:37 Hyperbola wrote:
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.

They are big players in the underworld. Naturally, they'd have enough money to pull strings.
What I'm curious about is the Brook connection. What's he so angsty about?

yeah big players in the underworld. that usually means theyre enemies to the government, so it doesnt explain how someone was able to pull strings to make a government wanted poster keep the son of an assassin family alive. youd expect the government would want anyone from a big underworld family to just be dead

You're right, silly me. All politicians are perfectly ethical and can never be bought. What was I thinking?

aside from doflamingo who is of noble heritage, there is no villain that has been able to manipulate the world government like so.
do you really think celestial dragons would be willing to negotiate with people 'below' them? every tier in the world government's hierarchy has characters that would in no way be bargained with by people from the 'underworld'.
that leaves pretty much one sensible answer, which is what royalroadweed originally suggested. the assassin family works for the government themselves
not sure why you are trying to bring real life political issues into one piece. one piece is a lot of things but one of the main themes that cant be seen in one piece compared to the real world is corruption.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-29 04:40:29
January 29 2016 04:40 GMT
#24317
On January 29 2016 04:17 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Poisoning someone's food is one of the best ways possible to assassinate someone.

not in OP universe, you slip poison in luffys food he wouldnt even notice unless you milked Magellan to get it
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2546 Posts
January 29 2016 04:53 GMT
#24318
On January 29 2016 13:05 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 11:59 Hyperbola wrote:
On January 29 2016 11:53 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On January 29 2016 08:37 Hyperbola wrote:
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.

They are big players in the underworld. Naturally, they'd have enough money to pull strings.
What I'm curious about is the Brook connection. What's he so angsty about?

yeah big players in the underworld. that usually means theyre enemies to the government, so it doesnt explain how someone was able to pull strings to make a government wanted poster keep the son of an assassin family alive. youd expect the government would want anyone from a big underworld family to just be dead

You're right, silly me. All politicians are perfectly ethical and can never be bought. What was I thinking?

aside from doflamingo who is of noble heritage, there is no villain that has been able to manipulate the world government like so.
do you really think celestial dragons would be willing to negotiate with people 'below' them? every tier in the world government's hierarchy has characters that would in no way be bargained with by people from the 'underworld'.
that leaves pretty much one sensible answer, which is what royalroadweed originally suggested. the assassin family works for the government themselves
not sure why you are trying to bring real life political issues into one piece. one piece is a lot of things but one of the main themes that cant be seen in one piece compared to the real world is corruption.

No you're absolutely right. The celestial dragons would never ever deal with the underworld especially when they do things like buy slaves from the auction house...
The marines also, (you know the guys who issue wanted posters) would never in a million years negotiate with scum like pirates to buy devil fruits or work out a protection deal (especially with fishmen, they're the worst!)
You're also 100% right about how there is no politics whatsoever in one piece and how corruption is strictly RL stuff and Oda would never write about, much less base half of his entire series on. I am sorry for ever doubting you.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
January 29 2016 05:39 GMT
#24319
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.


Who knows, maybe they are a family of assassins that were extremely loyal to the founding World Nobles so they have some pesudo nobiiity and protection that allows for them to be big players.
Never Knows Best.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 29 2016 07:10 GMT
#24320
On January 29 2016 14:39 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 07:51 royalroadweed wrote:
I don't know how a family of assassins have so much influence with the government. Maybe the Vinsmokes are government assassins like CP9.


Who knows, maybe they are a family of assassins that were extremely loyal to the founding World Nobles so they have some pesudo nobiiity and protection that allows for them to be big players.

maybe there CP -1
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