On July 24 2013 23:49 Dirkzor wrote: The question wasn't meant to be easy =)
Edit: You don't like Fight Club? Why? (Just curious...)
http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/fight-club-1999 I don't always agree with Ebert, but here he's close enough to what I think, and he says it better and in a less abrasive way. Most of the humour also flies over my head, also a reason why I respect Tarantino's talent, but don't enjoy his movies that much. I also think Fincher is talented btw.
I don't quite understand this review tbh. He praises the acting, muses on the "bait and switch" nature of Tyler's philosophy (which is kind of the whole point of the movie), and talks about how brutal the fight scenes tend to be - which to me is generally a good thing. Brutal movies should be brutal, not afraid to show blood and pain.
Fight Club is one of my favorite movies, though I doubt I would recommend it to everyone. People tend to focus on the wrong things about it. It's not an anarchism movie, in fact the entirety of act 3 is about how that fucks everything over. It's not a mindless beat-em-up, though it does boast some pretty good fight scenes. It's a view on the base and primal desires of men stuck in a rote, 9-5 job that they can't stand, the need to drink and fight and fuck. At a dumb level, it's a show-and-tell of how good it would feel to give into those desires, and then whiplash you into realizing why you don't. On a bit of a higher level, it's about the internal struggle that one has with those, using Tyler Durden as a heavy handed metaphor of our primal urges and why it's nice to give into them occasionally, but one must keep them in check.
I mean, the book does it a lot better, but the movie is a fine interpretation. It's not a perfect movie, it's not deeply intellectual, but it still ranks for me by doing its best to be more than it is on the surface.
Yeah, it's a movie that shows the world seen by your average 14 yo. Fascinating.
Uh, I guess if that's how you want to view it? This is the sort of dismissive and uncommunicative attitude that makes people think you're shitposting.
What about it is for 14 year olds? I'll tell you what, after working a desk job with shitty co-workers and bosses for several years now, I wish I could go ahead and beat the shit out of someone with my bare hands, break things for the hell of it, and threaten people who act like shit towards me. It's exactly the type of escapism that appeals to someone chained to a desk.
Sure, when I first watched it as a high-schooler it was all "hurr durr boobies and punching people haha", but the idea and plot of it stand on their own. The brutality of some scenes and explicit parts serve to frame that mindset, and highlight what we all know but don't want to admit is right under our thoughts in our subconscious. It's not violence and masculine grandstanding for the sake of violence and masculine grandstanding, it exists (like all of Chuck Palahniuk's works) to throw a spotlight on the ugly, base human side that we work so hard to cover up, and in the end give us a reason to keep it in check.
Like I said, it's not the most intellectual movie I've ever watched, but it's far from a stupid one.
Hating working at a deskjob is one thing I can understand, and it can and should lead to many things, but wanting to become mindlessly violent because of that ? If that's really the case (I doubt it), you should see a psychologist.
...are you just purposefully dodging the point? I thought you were above ad-hominem here, come on. Id-level desires are part of human nature, you want to scream at your boss when he insults you for something you didn't do, you want to punch that guy who cuts you off in traffic, you want to sleep with every hot chick you see because that's the way men's bodies are programmed. The film is more or less a satire, showing how awesome it is to fight and fuck and scream, but it comes around and shows that, in the end, nothing good comes of it.
The way you're talking about it makes me think you watched the first half where they're just fighting and running around acting like teenagers and then walked out of the theater. Act 3 pretty much deconstructs the entire thing.
I'm seeing a psychiatrist, it has helped me a lot me dealing with my anger and what disatisfies me in my life. I really doubt thinking that sort of thing is sane at all you know. Also you're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying. Either the movie promotes mindless violence and nihilism like in the two first part, then it's dumb and dangerous. Either it "deconstructs" this attitude, and says that mindless violence and nihilism is stupid or whatever, then, it's just absolutely uninteresting.
So anything that has to do with the brutality of human id and animalistic nature is either dumb or boring? I mean, sure you can have that opinion, but honestly I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of human life to look at. Because for all we are as people, for all our civility and smiles and culture, at one point we were killing each other with rocks and swords and guns and everything else we could get our hands on. Humans have committed the worst atrocities on the planet to ourselves and everything else in ways that Mother Nature only WISHES she could. And that isn't gone because you or I wear a tie.
I guess that sort of introspection doesn't appeal to everyone, but I love it. Internal struggles with our primal selves, the desire to appear as best as possible to others, and what happens when we follow one over the other, these are the sort of character arcs I like a lot.
Not at all, for instance Nietzsche is a pretty interesting guy who deals with that sort of things, but he has a more developped and ambiguous, almost point of view on violence, which means it actually forces you to think about it. The problem here is that I don't think anyone above 14 can really think the alternative Tyler proposes makes any sense at any point. It looks dumb from minute 0. The movie could have been interesting if nihilism and violence were a real temptation, then it could indeed try to deconstruct it. For me nevertheless, there is nothing really to deconstruct, the movie is just stating the obvious, there is a violent part in men, but it doesn't shed any light on what consequences this has. For me Fight Club really says absolutely nothing, which doesn't make it really dumb (there are way worse movies out there), but I fail to see what other seem to see in it. I'm not saying that we need someone reading Nietzsche during the movie by the way, I think the movie needed to justify Tyler's attitude a lot more, to make it, more subtle.
Sure, that's entirely fair. Like I said multiple times, not the most intelligent/intellectual film there is, but I like things that are brutal and point a big neon sign at the brutality to remind us that not to long ago we waged wars over who said what. Hell, we still do that, but we like to spin ourselves as something more civilized.
Of course there are better examples of this. Many post-apocalyptic movies with a brain do a good job of it, for example, though I can't think of a good one to talk about off the top of my head. I'd say the Road, but I think too much was lost in the transition between book and movie.
On July 25 2013 00:09 Requizen wrote: [quote] I don't quite understand this review tbh. He praises the acting, muses on the "bait and switch" nature of Tyler's philosophy (which is kind of the whole point of the movie), and talks about how brutal the fight scenes tend to be - which to me is generally a good thing. Brutal movies should be brutal, not afraid to show blood and pain.
Fight Club is one of my favorite movies, though I doubt I would recommend it to everyone. People tend to focus on the wrong things about it. It's not an anarchism movie, in fact the entirety of act 3 is about how that fucks everything over. It's not a mindless beat-em-up, though it does boast some pretty good fight scenes. It's a view on the base and primal desires of men stuck in a rote, 9-5 job that they can't stand, the need to drink and fight and fuck. At a dumb level, it's a show-and-tell of how good it would feel to give into those desires, and then whiplash you into realizing why you don't. On a bit of a higher level, it's about the internal struggle that one has with those, using Tyler Durden as a heavy handed metaphor of our primal urges and why it's nice to give into them occasionally, but one must keep them in check.
I mean, the book does it a lot better, but the movie is a fine interpretation. It's not a perfect movie, it's not deeply intellectual, but it still ranks for me by doing its best to be more than it is on the surface.
Yeah, it's a movie that shows the world seen by your average 14 yo. Fascinating.
Uh, I guess if that's how you want to view it? This is the sort of dismissive and uncommunicative attitude that makes people think you're shitposting.
What about it is for 14 year olds? I'll tell you what, after working a desk job with shitty co-workers and bosses for several years now, I wish I could go ahead and beat the shit out of someone with my bare hands, break things for the hell of it, and threaten people who act like shit towards me. It's exactly the type of escapism that appeals to someone chained to a desk.
Sure, when I first watched it as a high-schooler it was all "hurr durr boobies and punching people haha", but the idea and plot of it stand on their own. The brutality of some scenes and explicit parts serve to frame that mindset, and highlight what we all know but don't want to admit is right under our thoughts in our subconscious. It's not violence and masculine grandstanding for the sake of violence and masculine grandstanding, it exists (like all of Chuck Palahniuk's works) to throw a spotlight on the ugly, base human side that we work so hard to cover up, and in the end give us a reason to keep it in check.
Like I said, it's not the most intellectual movie I've ever watched, but it's far from a stupid one.
Hating working at a deskjob is one thing I can understand, and it can and should lead to many things, but wanting to become mindlessly violent because of that ? If that's really the case (I doubt it), you should see a psychologist.
...are you just purposefully dodging the point? I thought you were above ad-hominem here, come on. Id-level desires are part of human nature, you want to scream at your boss when he insults you for something you didn't do, you want to punch that guy who cuts you off in traffic, you want to sleep with every hot chick you see because that's the way men's bodies are programmed. The film is more or less a satire, showing how awesome it is to fight and fuck and scream, but it comes around and shows that, in the end, nothing good comes of it.
The way you're talking about it makes me think you watched the first half where they're just fighting and running around acting like teenagers and then walked out of the theater. Act 3 pretty much deconstructs the entire thing.
I'm seeing a psychiatrist, it has helped me a lot me dealing with my anger and what disatisfies me in my life. I really doubt thinking that sort of thing is sane at all you know. Also you're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying. Either the movie promotes mindless violence and nihilism like in the two first part, then it's dumb and dangerous. Either it "deconstructs" this attitude, and says that mindless violence and nihilism is stupid or whatever, then, it's just absolutely uninteresting.
So anything that has to do with the brutality of human id and animalistic nature is either dumb or boring? I mean, sure you can have that opinion, but honestly I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of human life to look at. Because for all we are as people, for all our civility and smiles and culture, at one point we were killing each other with rocks and swords and guns and everything else we could get our hands on. Humans have committed the worst atrocities on the planet to ourselves and everything else in ways that Mother Nature only WISHES she could. And that isn't gone because you or I wear a tie.
I guess that sort of introspection doesn't appeal to everyone, but I love it. Internal struggles with our primal selves, the desire to appear as best as possible to others, and what happens when we follow one over the other, these are the sort of character arcs I like a lot.
Not at all, for instance Nietzsche is a pretty interesting guy who deals with that sort of things, but he has a more developped and ambiguous, almost point of view on violence, which means it actually forces you to think about it. The problem here is that I don't think anyone above 14 can really think the alternative Tyler proposes makes any sense at any point. It looks dumb from minute 0. The movie could have been interesting if nihilism and violence were a real temptation, then it could indeed try to deconstruct it. For me nevertheless, there is nothing really to deconstruct, the movie is just stating the obvious, there is a violent part in men, but it doesn't shed any light on what consequences this has. For me Fight Club really says absolutely nothing, which doesn't make it really dumb (there are way worse movies out there), but I fail to see what other seem to see in it. I'm not saying that we need someone reading Nietzsche during the movie by the way, I think the movie needed to justify Tyler's attitude a lot more, to make it, more subtle.
Is has a nice style to it, good mood of paranoia.
Well yeah, it's not really the kind stuff I'm into, but Fincher does know what he's doing visually.
Right, I agree with you by the way, it does not have much more substance other than a paranoid dude doing paranoid and violent stuff and getting people behind him based on his charisma/alpha male stuff. But its style is enough for me to make it enjoyable .
On July 24 2013 23:55 corumjhaelen wrote: [quote] http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/fight-club-1999 I don't always agree with Ebert, but here he's close enough to what I think, and he says it better and in a less abrasive way. Most of the humour also flies over my head, also a reason why I respect Tarantino's talent, but don't enjoy his movies that much. I also think Fincher is talented btw.
I don't quite understand this review tbh. He praises the acting, muses on the "bait and switch" nature of Tyler's philosophy (which is kind of the whole point of the movie), and talks about how brutal the fight scenes tend to be - which to me is generally a good thing. Brutal movies should be brutal, not afraid to show blood and pain.
Fight Club is one of my favorite movies, though I doubt I would recommend it to everyone. People tend to focus on the wrong things about it. It's not an anarchism movie, in fact the entirety of act 3 is about how that fucks everything over. It's not a mindless beat-em-up, though it does boast some pretty good fight scenes. It's a view on the base and primal desires of men stuck in a rote, 9-5 job that they can't stand, the need to drink and fight and fuck. At a dumb level, it's a show-and-tell of how good it would feel to give into those desires, and then whiplash you into realizing why you don't. On a bit of a higher level, it's about the internal struggle that one has with those, using Tyler Durden as a heavy handed metaphor of our primal urges and why it's nice to give into them occasionally, but one must keep them in check.
I mean, the book does it a lot better, but the movie is a fine interpretation. It's not a perfect movie, it's not deeply intellectual, but it still ranks for me by doing its best to be more than it is on the surface.
Yeah, it's a movie that shows the world seen by your average 14 yo. Fascinating.
Uh, I guess if that's how you want to view it? This is the sort of dismissive and uncommunicative attitude that makes people think you're shitposting.
What about it is for 14 year olds? I'll tell you what, after working a desk job with shitty co-workers and bosses for several years now, I wish I could go ahead and beat the shit out of someone with my bare hands, break things for the hell of it, and threaten people who act like shit towards me. It's exactly the type of escapism that appeals to someone chained to a desk.
Sure, when I first watched it as a high-schooler it was all "hurr durr boobies and punching people haha", but the idea and plot of it stand on their own. The brutality of some scenes and explicit parts serve to frame that mindset, and highlight what we all know but don't want to admit is right under our thoughts in our subconscious. It's not violence and masculine grandstanding for the sake of violence and masculine grandstanding, it exists (like all of Chuck Palahniuk's works) to throw a spotlight on the ugly, base human side that we work so hard to cover up, and in the end give us a reason to keep it in check.
Like I said, it's not the most intellectual movie I've ever watched, but it's far from a stupid one.
Hating working at a deskjob is one thing I can understand, and it can and should lead to many things, but wanting to become mindlessly violent because of that ? If that's really the case (I doubt it), you should see a psychologist.
...are you just purposefully dodging the point? I thought you were above ad-hominem here, come on. Id-level desires are part of human nature, you want to scream at your boss when he insults you for something you didn't do, you want to punch that guy who cuts you off in traffic, you want to sleep with every hot chick you see because that's the way men's bodies are programmed. The film is more or less a satire, showing how awesome it is to fight and fuck and scream, but it comes around and shows that, in the end, nothing good comes of it.
The way you're talking about it makes me think you watched the first half where they're just fighting and running around acting like teenagers and then walked out of the theater. Act 3 pretty much deconstructs the entire thing.
I'm seeing a psychiatrist, it has helped me a lot me dealing with my anger and what disatisfies me in my life. I really doubt thinking that sort of thing is sane at all you know. Also you're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying. Either the movie promotes mindless violence and nihilism like in the two first part, then it's dumb and dangerous. Either it "deconstructs" this attitude, and says that mindless violence and nihilism is stupid or whatever, then, it's just absolutely uninteresting.
So anything that has to do with the brutality of human id and animalistic nature is either dumb or boring? I mean, sure you can have that opinion, but honestly I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of human life to look at. Because for all we are as people, for all our civility and smiles and culture, at one point we were killing each other with rocks and swords and guns and everything else we could get our hands on. Humans have committed the worst atrocities on the planet to ourselves and everything else in ways that Mother Nature only WISHES she could. And that isn't gone because you or I wear a tie.
I guess that sort of introspection doesn't appeal to everyone, but I love it. Internal struggles with our primal selves, the desire to appear as best as possible to others, and what happens when we follow one over the other, these are the sort of character arcs I like a lot.
Not at all, for instance Nietzsche is a pretty interesting guy who deals with that sort of things, but he has a more developped and ambiguous, almost point of view on violence, which means it actually forces you to think about it. The problem here is that I don't think anyone above 14 can really think the alternative Tyler proposes makes any sense at any point. It looks dumb from minute 0. The movie could have been interesting if nihilism and violence were a real temptation, then it could indeed try to deconstruct it. For me nevertheless, there is nothing really to deconstruct, the movie is just stating the obvious, there is a violent part in men, but it doesn't shed any light on what consequences this has. For me Fight Club really says absolutely nothing, which doesn't make it really dumb (there are way worse movies out there), but I fail to see what other seem to see in it. I'm not saying that we need someone reading Nietzsche during the movie by the way, I think the movie needed to justify Tyler's attitude a lot more, to make it, more subtle.
Sure, that's entirely fair. Like I said multiple times, not the most intelligent/intellectual film there is, but I like things that are brutal and point a big neon sign at the brutality to remind us that not to long ago we waged wars over who said what. Hell, we still do that, but we like to spin ourselves as something more civilized.
Of course there are better examples of this. Many post-apocalyptic movies with a brain do a good job of it, for example, though I can't think of a good one to talk about off the top of my head. I'd say the Road, but I think too much was lost in the transition between book and movie.
Not being particularly fond of violence, I like when it is a bit more justified than in Fight Club. Also it seems we almost agree, productive discussion in a way I guess^^
Personnally, I'm thinking of war movies, Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now ?
On July 25 2013 00:09 Requizen wrote: [quote] I don't quite understand this review tbh. He praises the acting, muses on the "bait and switch" nature of Tyler's philosophy (which is kind of the whole point of the movie), and talks about how brutal the fight scenes tend to be - which to me is generally a good thing. Brutal movies should be brutal, not afraid to show blood and pain.
Fight Club is one of my favorite movies, though I doubt I would recommend it to everyone. People tend to focus on the wrong things about it. It's not an anarchism movie, in fact the entirety of act 3 is about how that fucks everything over. It's not a mindless beat-em-up, though it does boast some pretty good fight scenes. It's a view on the base and primal desires of men stuck in a rote, 9-5 job that they can't stand, the need to drink and fight and fuck. At a dumb level, it's a show-and-tell of how good it would feel to give into those desires, and then whiplash you into realizing why you don't. On a bit of a higher level, it's about the internal struggle that one has with those, using Tyler Durden as a heavy handed metaphor of our primal urges and why it's nice to give into them occasionally, but one must keep them in check.
I mean, the book does it a lot better, but the movie is a fine interpretation. It's not a perfect movie, it's not deeply intellectual, but it still ranks for me by doing its best to be more than it is on the surface.
Yeah, it's a movie that shows the world seen by your average 14 yo. Fascinating.
Uh, I guess if that's how you want to view it? This is the sort of dismissive and uncommunicative attitude that makes people think you're shitposting.
What about it is for 14 year olds? I'll tell you what, after working a desk job with shitty co-workers and bosses for several years now, I wish I could go ahead and beat the shit out of someone with my bare hands, break things for the hell of it, and threaten people who act like shit towards me. It's exactly the type of escapism that appeals to someone chained to a desk.
Sure, when I first watched it as a high-schooler it was all "hurr durr boobies and punching people haha", but the idea and plot of it stand on their own. The brutality of some scenes and explicit parts serve to frame that mindset, and highlight what we all know but don't want to admit is right under our thoughts in our subconscious. It's not violence and masculine grandstanding for the sake of violence and masculine grandstanding, it exists (like all of Chuck Palahniuk's works) to throw a spotlight on the ugly, base human side that we work so hard to cover up, and in the end give us a reason to keep it in check.
Like I said, it's not the most intellectual movie I've ever watched, but it's far from a stupid one.
Hating working at a deskjob is one thing I can understand, and it can and should lead to many things, but wanting to become mindlessly violent because of that ? If that's really the case (I doubt it), you should see a psychologist.
...are you just purposefully dodging the point? I thought you were above ad-hominem here, come on. Id-level desires are part of human nature, you want to scream at your boss when he insults you for something you didn't do, you want to punch that guy who cuts you off in traffic, you want to sleep with every hot chick you see because that's the way men's bodies are programmed. The film is more or less a satire, showing how awesome it is to fight and fuck and scream, but it comes around and shows that, in the end, nothing good comes of it.
The way you're talking about it makes me think you watched the first half where they're just fighting and running around acting like teenagers and then walked out of the theater. Act 3 pretty much deconstructs the entire thing.
I'm seeing a psychiatrist, it has helped me a lot me dealing with my anger and what disatisfies me in my life. I really doubt thinking that sort of thing is sane at all you know. Also you're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying. Either the movie promotes mindless violence and nihilism like in the two first part, then it's dumb and dangerous. Either it "deconstructs" this attitude, and says that mindless violence and nihilism is stupid or whatever, then, it's just absolutely uninteresting.
So anything that has to do with the brutality of human id and animalistic nature is either dumb or boring? I mean, sure you can have that opinion, but honestly I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of human life to look at. Because for all we are as people, for all our civility and smiles and culture, at one point we were killing each other with rocks and swords and guns and everything else we could get our hands on. Humans have committed the worst atrocities on the planet to ourselves and everything else in ways that Mother Nature only WISHES she could. And that isn't gone because you or I wear a tie.
I guess that sort of introspection doesn't appeal to everyone, but I love it. Internal struggles with our primal selves, the desire to appear as best as possible to others, and what happens when we follow one over the other, these are the sort of character arcs I like a lot.
Not at all, for instance Nietzsche is a pretty interesting guy who deals with that sort of things, but he has a more developped and ambiguous, almost point of view on violence, which means it actually forces you to think about it. The problem here is that I don't think anyone above 14 can really think the alternative Tyler proposes makes any sense at any point. It looks dumb from minute 0. The movie could have been interesting if nihilism and violence were a real temptation, then it could indeed try to deconstruct it. For me nevertheless, there is nothing really to deconstruct, the movie is just stating the obvious, there is a violent part in men, but it doesn't shed any light on what consequences this has. For me Fight Club really says absolutely nothing, which doesn't make it really dumb (there are way worse movies out there), but I fail to see what other seem to see in it. I'm not saying that we need someone reading Nietzsche during the movie by the way, I think the movie needed to justify Tyler's attitude a lot more, to make it, more subtle.
Sure, that's entirely fair. Like I said multiple times, not the most intelligent/intellectual film there is, but I like things that are brutal and point a big neon sign at the brutality to remind us that not to long ago we waged wars over who said what. Hell, we still do that, but we like to spin ourselves as something more civilized.
Of course there are better examples of this. Many post-apocalyptic movies with a brain do a good job of it, for example, though I can't think of a good one to talk about off the top of my head. I'd say the Road, but I think too much was lost in the transition between book and movie.
Not being particularly fond of violence, I like when it is a bit more justified than in Fight Club. Also it seems we almost agree, productive discussion in a way I guess^^
Personnally, I'm thinking of war movies, Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now ?
War movies for sure, those two are good examples. Full Metal Jacket has a couple decent examples of this, but it really was more about just the toils of war on one's mind in my opinion. Also, one of the more overhyped war movies, though I like it a lot.
I suppose you could also list slasher movies and the like, but I'd be hard pressed to think of one that was introspective about human nature and not just about horror.
On July 25 2013 00:13 corumjhaelen wrote: [quote] Yeah, it's a movie that shows the world seen by your average 14 yo. Fascinating.
Uh, I guess if that's how you want to view it? This is the sort of dismissive and uncommunicative attitude that makes people think you're shitposting.
What about it is for 14 year olds? I'll tell you what, after working a desk job with shitty co-workers and bosses for several years now, I wish I could go ahead and beat the shit out of someone with my bare hands, break things for the hell of it, and threaten people who act like shit towards me. It's exactly the type of escapism that appeals to someone chained to a desk.
Sure, when I first watched it as a high-schooler it was all "hurr durr boobies and punching people haha", but the idea and plot of it stand on their own. The brutality of some scenes and explicit parts serve to frame that mindset, and highlight what we all know but don't want to admit is right under our thoughts in our subconscious. It's not violence and masculine grandstanding for the sake of violence and masculine grandstanding, it exists (like all of Chuck Palahniuk's works) to throw a spotlight on the ugly, base human side that we work so hard to cover up, and in the end give us a reason to keep it in check.
Like I said, it's not the most intellectual movie I've ever watched, but it's far from a stupid one.
Hating working at a deskjob is one thing I can understand, and it can and should lead to many things, but wanting to become mindlessly violent because of that ? If that's really the case (I doubt it), you should see a psychologist.
...are you just purposefully dodging the point? I thought you were above ad-hominem here, come on. Id-level desires are part of human nature, you want to scream at your boss when he insults you for something you didn't do, you want to punch that guy who cuts you off in traffic, you want to sleep with every hot chick you see because that's the way men's bodies are programmed. The film is more or less a satire, showing how awesome it is to fight and fuck and scream, but it comes around and shows that, in the end, nothing good comes of it.
The way you're talking about it makes me think you watched the first half where they're just fighting and running around acting like teenagers and then walked out of the theater. Act 3 pretty much deconstructs the entire thing.
I'm seeing a psychiatrist, it has helped me a lot me dealing with my anger and what disatisfies me in my life. I really doubt thinking that sort of thing is sane at all you know. Also you're the one who doesn't get what I'm saying. Either the movie promotes mindless violence and nihilism like in the two first part, then it's dumb and dangerous. Either it "deconstructs" this attitude, and says that mindless violence and nihilism is stupid or whatever, then, it's just absolutely uninteresting.
So anything that has to do with the brutality of human id and animalistic nature is either dumb or boring? I mean, sure you can have that opinion, but honestly I think it's one of the most fascinating aspects of human life to look at. Because for all we are as people, for all our civility and smiles and culture, at one point we were killing each other with rocks and swords and guns and everything else we could get our hands on. Humans have committed the worst atrocities on the planet to ourselves and everything else in ways that Mother Nature only WISHES she could. And that isn't gone because you or I wear a tie.
I guess that sort of introspection doesn't appeal to everyone, but I love it. Internal struggles with our primal selves, the desire to appear as best as possible to others, and what happens when we follow one over the other, these are the sort of character arcs I like a lot.
Not at all, for instance Nietzsche is a pretty interesting guy who deals with that sort of things, but he has a more developped and ambiguous, almost point of view on violence, which means it actually forces you to think about it. The problem here is that I don't think anyone above 14 can really think the alternative Tyler proposes makes any sense at any point. It looks dumb from minute 0. The movie could have been interesting if nihilism and violence were a real temptation, then it could indeed try to deconstruct it. For me nevertheless, there is nothing really to deconstruct, the movie is just stating the obvious, there is a violent part in men, but it doesn't shed any light on what consequences this has. For me Fight Club really says absolutely nothing, which doesn't make it really dumb (there are way worse movies out there), but I fail to see what other seem to see in it. I'm not saying that we need someone reading Nietzsche during the movie by the way, I think the movie needed to justify Tyler's attitude a lot more, to make it, more subtle.
Sure, that's entirely fair. Like I said multiple times, not the most intelligent/intellectual film there is, but I like things that are brutal and point a big neon sign at the brutality to remind us that not to long ago we waged wars over who said what. Hell, we still do that, but we like to spin ourselves as something more civilized.
Of course there are better examples of this. Many post-apocalyptic movies with a brain do a good job of it, for example, though I can't think of a good one to talk about off the top of my head. I'd say the Road, but I think too much was lost in the transition between book and movie.
Not being particularly fond of violence, I like when it is a bit more justified than in Fight Club. Also it seems we almost agree, productive discussion in a way I guess^^
Personnally, I'm thinking of war movies, Deer Hunter and Apocalypse Now ?
War movies for sure, those two are good examples. Full Metal Jacket has a couple decent examples of this, but it really was more about just the toils of war on one's mind in my opinion. Also, one of the more overhyped war movies, though I like it a lot.
I suppose you could also list slasher movies and the like, but I'd be hard pressed to think of one that was introspective about human nature and not just about horror.
Yeah, FMJ isn't certainly lacks psychological finesse, even though it's highly enjoyable. Not my favorite war movie at all, and not my favorite Kubrick either, it does make me laugh though.
Yeah, pure slasher, there might be something here, but I'm not aware of it. But I'm thinking about some pure horror movies something like Cat People (not that insightful, but I'm really fond of it). Edit : some westerns should fit it too, even though it's not the most common theme. Errr, The Wild Bunch ? Unforgiven ?
If the cover and concept sounds like your cup of tea, then it probably is. It's not quite one of those, "it's so bad it's awesome" types of movies (it's mostly just bad), but there is totally a scene where I character dives face first inside a flying great white shark (which was thrown from a tornado, naturally) and then chainsaws his way out of it.
I also just got around to watching The Other Guys, which was hilarious. Loved it.
On July 24 2013 23:41 Dirkzor wrote: Question: What movie would you think that most people would like if you recommended it?
To explain: I don't want _your_ personal favorite, but the movie you think most people would enjoy - think everyone or maybe just people in this thread.
Not that you personally asked me, but I would probably choose Pulp fiction for people that like gore/aren't squeamish and The Untouchables for people that are.
On July 24 2013 23:41 Dirkzor wrote: Question: What movie would you think that most people would like if you recommended it?
To explain: I don't want _your_ personal favorite, but the movie you think most people would enjoy - think everyone or maybe just people in this thread.
Not that you personally asked me, but I would probably choose Pulp fiction for people that like gore/aren't squeamish and The Untouchables for people that are.
Didn't think of a comedy, good idea, I'd go for the incredibly original The Big Lebowski in this case. I'm such a hipster.
On July 25 2013 01:53 AnomalySC2 wrote:
If the cover and concept sounds like your cup of tea, then it probably is. It's not quite one of those, "it's so bad it's awesome" types of movies (it's mostly just bad), but there is totally a scene where I character dives face first inside a flying great white shark (which was thrown from a tornado, naturally) and then chainsaws his way out of it.
Reminds me of that infamous scene in Anaconda, another... great movie, if you follow my drift.
On July 24 2013 23:41 Dirkzor wrote: Question: What movie would you think that most people would like if you recommended it?
To explain: I don't want _your_ personal favorite, but the movie you think most people would enjoy - think everyone or maybe just people in this thread.
Not that you personally asked me, but I would probably choose Pulp fiction for people that like gore/aren't squeamish and The Untouchables for people that are.
Didn't think of a comedy, good idea, I'd go for the incredibly original The Big Lebowski in this case. I'm such a hipster.
If the cover and concept sounds like your cup of tea, then it probably is. It's not quite one of those, "it's so bad it's awesome" types of movies (it's mostly just bad), but there is totally a scene where I character dives face first inside a flying great white shark (which was thrown from a tornado, naturally) and then chainsaws his way out of it.
Reminds me of that infamous scene in Anaconda, another... great movie, if you follow my drift.
haha there are many infamous scenes in Anaconda, though I'd guess you're talking about that, uh, regurgitating a specific dinner scene? lol.
Also using hipster and The Big Lebowski in the same sentence is blasphemy!
On July 24 2013 23:41 Dirkzor wrote: Question: What movie would you think that most people would like if you recommended it?
To explain: I don't want _your_ personal favorite, but the movie you think most people would enjoy - think everyone or maybe just people in this thread.
Not that you personally asked me, but I would probably choose Pulp fiction for people that like gore/aren't squeamish and The Untouchables for people that are.
Didn't think of a comedy, good idea, I'd go for the incredibly original The Big Lebowski in this case. I'm such a hipster.
On July 25 2013 01:53 AnomalySC2 wrote:
If the cover and concept sounds like your cup of tea, then it probably is. It's not quite one of those, "it's so bad it's awesome" types of movies (it's mostly just bad), but there is totally a scene where I character dives face first inside a flying great white shark (which was thrown from a tornado, naturally) and then chainsaws his way out of it.
Reminds me of that infamous scene in Anaconda, another... great movie, if you follow my drift.
haha there are many infamous scenes in Anaconda, though I'd guess you're talking about that, uh, regurgitating a specific dinner scene? lol.
Also using hipster and The Big Lebowski in the same sentence is blasphemy!
Yep, this one exactly. If someone is into... er, well if someone wants to know what we're talking about... + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSlp7nrR1VU Right at the end.
I was joking around because someone said I was just a hipster one page ago.
On July 25 2013 04:39 Dirkzor wrote: I wouldn't recommend Lebowski to the masses. I think most won't "get" the humour.
Btw I liked your discussion about Fight Club. Made me think about the movie more... (I rarely do much thinking, I just enjoy)
I'd recommend Big Lebowski to basically anyone that likes movies. The best comedy ever made imo, regardless if you're a bit of a movie buff or not. Coen Brothers are some of the best film makers out there.
On July 25 2013 04:39 Dirkzor wrote: I wouldn't recommend Lebowski to the masses. I think most won't "get" the humour.
Btw I liked your discussion about Fight Club. Made me think about the movie more... (I rarely do much thinking, I just enjoy)
I was thinking more about this website, but for the general public, yeah, you may be right. Airplanes maybe ? I think humour is not that universal. There are also tons of old comedy which I think are very accessible, smart, and funny, but some people are disgusted at the very sight of black and white. Because motherfucking Modern Times is still awesome, and it is probably the movie that worked the best in all the classes I was throughout middle and high school.
Happy to know that I've done something else than annoy people, not that I mind too much doing it. thank you Requizen I guess But thinking and enjoying are not incompatible at all, it depends on the movie.
A History of Violence was better than Eastern Promises for me. It's oversimplified though compared to the ending of Eastern Promises, but it is a psychological suspense film with some intense sex scenes.
Ok enough with the arguing. Just post movies that you see with a short description or opinion or whatever. If someone doesn't agree or think the person has shit taste, just skip it please.
On that note, I recently watched the trailer park boys movies. (there are 3) There was a 4th one that just finished up earlier this year set to release later this year or next year. They also started filming season 8 of the series this month.
Here are the movies (you can watch full on YT)
(its fucking weird seeing Ricky without a mustache and not as retarded. Also weird to see Randy with his shirt on and not Randy, lol) This is the mockumentary that started the whole show btw.
Probably the best of the 3 movies. It goes by other titles.
Somethins fucky
All of them are much like the TV show. Good stuff, funny.
I've recently seen the Lone Ranger. Gotta say, it was rather disappointing. I went in expecting action packed western with comedy elements (Pirates of the Caribbean transferred to wild west basically, and I love Pirates). Unfortunately what I got was a comedy (rather poor) with action elements. The plot was pretty good, and had the potential for awesome movie, sadly it wasn't utilized to it's fullest. The jokes felt forced and not well thought out (though there were a few really funny moments), action was decent but nothing too fancy, plus there was too much comedy stuffed in it. Additionally I didn't really like the whole "guy telling a story to someone" convention for the whole thing. Lastly, the movie was sometimes very confusing, especially during the first 30 minutes, were viewer had to think really hard what's going on. Story skipped to far, some events were in weird order, and some stuff was explained very vaguely or not at all. All in all the movie had great potential, sadly it didn't deliver. It might be worth to watch it once, to see for yourself, but don't expect too much.
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But thinking and enjoying are not incompatible at all, it depends on the movie.
