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On June 05 2013 04:11 SkelA wrote:
I was expecting Robb to die but not like this. I suspected his wife (Talisa?) was a spy for Tywin with all those suspisious letters and showing Tywin reading and writing letters in alot of situations.
That was a really nice Red Herring with Talysa writing these letters.
Tywin writing letters often especially when he was telling Tyrion that he was taking steps to solve the problem with the young Wolf might indeed be about him planning the murder at the wedding or at least an alliance with the Freys.
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The existence of the baby was the insult to house Frey, it wasn't to be pointlessly violent, the existence of that baby shamed and dishonoured the sisters of the stabber.
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Roose Bolton is just a giant douche. I remember him calling the Greyjoys treasonous whores xD
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Are there any resources that estimate how big the armies of each house are?
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On June 05 2013 04:50 sc4k wrote:
Are there any resources that estimate how big the armies of each house are?
I would visit Tower of the Hand as they have many excellent resources to answer questions like this. However a rough summary would be
20K max for Robb's army (it continued to dwindle during the campaigns)
40k-60k for the Lannisters (they are the only House in Westeros that maintains a professional standing army)
30-40K for the Stormlands (Renly's forces that went over to Stannis [This number is thought to have decreased dramatically after the Blackwater])
20-30K for the Tyrells
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Mod Edit: Removed minor book spoiler
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On June 05 2013 04:09 Manit0u wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 03:17 Noro wrote:On June 05 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:On June 05 2013 02:03 PerryHooter wrote:The people that are revealing who the guy that tortures Theon is + Show Spoiler + should be banned (since it's turned into an accepted fact in this thread I'm assuming it's true). It hasn't been revealed in the tv-series yet, don't know why the mods let those spoilers remain. Yeah what the hell I didn't know he was and was wondering when they revealed this. I always thought that was pretty obvious from the show... -Bolten sends his bastard to go take back winterfell. -Kid starts filleting Theon slowly, a practice used by the Boltons. -Kid gets called Bastard by dudes that he kills in the woods. Note: have no book knowledge to back up the assumption, just based on show stuff. Meh, I knew he was Bolton right from the first torture scene (and I don't remember that much from the books). Haven't people noticed house Bolton sigil? When I first saw the torture chamber I couldn't help but pick up on the symbolism Related links: 1 2 3 4
I've seen every single episode, and I couldn't name you a single one where I noticed the Bolton sigil anywhere other than in the far background. It's a very minor detail at best, and making the connection of the sigil to the way Theon is tied up is another leap that needs to be done. It's not at all impossible to do, but the likelihood that non-book readers were helped by book readers in the process of connecting the dots is very, very high.
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On June 05 2013 04:57 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:09 Manit0u wrote:On June 05 2013 03:17 Noro wrote:On June 05 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:On June 05 2013 02:03 PerryHooter wrote:The people that are revealing who the guy that tortures Theon is + Show Spoiler + should be banned (since it's turned into an accepted fact in this thread I'm assuming it's true). It hasn't been revealed in the tv-series yet, don't know why the mods let those spoilers remain. Yeah what the hell I didn't know he was and was wondering when they revealed this. I always thought that was pretty obvious from the show... -Bolten sends his bastard to go take back winterfell. -Kid starts filleting Theon slowly, a practice used by the Boltons. -Kid gets called Bastard by dudes that he kills in the woods. Note: have no book knowledge to back up the assumption, just based on show stuff. Meh, I knew he was Bolton right from the first torture scene (and I don't remember that much from the books). Haven't people noticed house Bolton sigil? When I first saw the torture chamber I couldn't help but pick up on the symbolism Related links: 1 2 3 4 I've seen every single episode, and I couldn't name you a single one where I noticed the Bolton sigil anywhere other than in the far background. It's a very minor detail at best, and making the connection of the sigil to the way Theon is tied up is another leap that needs to be done. It's not at all impossible to do, but the likelihood that non-book readers were helped by book readers in the process of connecting the dots is very, very high.
When Bolton's men capture Jamie and Brienne, Jamie explicitly draws attention to their sigil, "The Filleted Man of House Bolton." And you can clearly see that it's the exact same sort of thing that Theon is rigged up to.
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On June 05 2013 04:54 Partha wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:50 sc4k wrote:
Are there any resources that estimate how big the armies of each house are? I would visit Tower of the Hand as they have many excellent resources to answer questions like this. However a rough summary would be 20K max for Robb's army (it continued to dwindle during the campaigns) 40k-60k for the Lannisters (they are the only House in Westeros that maintains a professional standing army) 30-40K for the Stormlands (Renly's forces that went over to Stannis [This number is thought to have decreased dramatically after the Blackwater]) 20-30K for the Tyrells
Do we know who controls Stormlands now? Stannis retreated to Dragonstone so it seems like he abandoned them.
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the riverun troops is debatable. Riverrun is a kingdom of its own, and its population is higher than that of the North. So why wouldnt the Riverrun host be larger than the Stark host?
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On June 04 2013 14:06 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 13:53 Chimpalimp wrote:
I can't say that I predicted what would happen until the doors closed, and I noticed that all of Rob's mean had left. However, I knew something had to have gone bad. There is not a single point in all three seasons that I can think of, where something ended up on the bright side. I knew that lords did not simply forget grudges or promises broken. I had a tense feeling going through the entire episode that something terrible had to happen to make this episode a legitimate GoT episode. I thought maybe Rob's wife and unborn child would be slain, but I did not expect that all of the Stark war council would fall that night. I keep watching the show and thinking that by now I should be accustomed to the bad and ruthless, but the show keeps bringing new terrors that make my stomach cringe. Even though this whole episode was beautifully orchestrated, I am still a bit sad that Rob died, he was one my favorite characters. But I guess there is no honor when you play the game, you either cut throats or have your own cut. Ned and Rob were no exceptions. Tywin plays the game better than any other. Things don't always go badly, not even for the Starks. Jon ended up captured in the middle of the wildling army, hundreds of miles of wilderness from home wearing the uniform of their enemy and they decided to convert him by letting him hook up with a hot redhead and then send him on a secret infiltration mission back to where he lives.
Yea but he was forced to kill his fellow crow and was forced to ditch his hot red head because the wildlings turned on him. While its nowhere as bad as what happened to Ned, Rob, and Catelyn, it still sucks. But then again maybe she was getting too clingy for his liking, and this was a good break for him. I guess I can still cheer for Tyrion.
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On June 05 2013 05:01 Sub40APM wrote:the riverun troops is debatable. Riverrun is a kingdom of its own, and its population is higher than that of the North. So why wouldnt the Riverrun host be larger than the Stark host?
There's no way to know. Is it's population really significantly higher than the North? I'm not sure they were ever specifically stated as having a powerful military force, and how many of them died already is a big question. The show just doesn't give you enough, he basically guessed it would be low, as he said.
It's "debatable" but it's not a debate that will go anywhere.
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On June 05 2013 05:05 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:01 Sub40APM wrote:the riverun troops is debatable. Riverrun is a kingdom of its own, and its population is higher than that of the North. So why wouldnt the Riverrun host be larger than the Stark host? There's no way to know. Is it's population really significantly higher than the North? I'm not sure they were ever specifically stated as having a powerful military force, and how many of them died already is a big question. The show just doesn't give you enough, he basically guessed it would be low, as he said. It's "debatable" but it's not a debate that will go anywhere.
The North is by far the largest 'kingdom' of the 7 kingdoms
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On June 05 2013 04:57 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:09 Manit0u wrote:On June 05 2013 03:17 Noro wrote:On June 05 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:On June 05 2013 02:03 PerryHooter wrote:The people that are revealing who the guy that tortures Theon is + Show Spoiler + should be banned (since it's turned into an accepted fact in this thread I'm assuming it's true). It hasn't been revealed in the tv-series yet, don't know why the mods let those spoilers remain. Yeah what the hell I didn't know he was and was wondering when they revealed this. I always thought that was pretty obvious from the show... -Bolten sends his bastard to go take back winterfell. -Kid starts filleting Theon slowly, a practice used by the Boltons. -Kid gets called Bastard by dudes that he kills in the woods. Note: have no book knowledge to back up the assumption, just based on show stuff. Meh, I knew he was Bolton right from the first torture scene (and I don't remember that much from the books). Haven't people noticed house Bolton sigil? When I first saw the torture chamber I couldn't help but pick up on the symbolism Related links: 1 2 3 4 I've seen every single episode, and I couldn't name you a single one where I noticed the Bolton sigil anywhere other than in the far background. It's a very minor detail at best, and making the connection of the sigil to the way Theon is tied up is another leap that needs to be done. It's not at all impossible to do, but the likelihood that non-book readers were helped by book readers in the process of connecting the dots is very, very high.
I think you underestimate the intelligence of TLers (or people in general). It's fairly easy to make these connections if you simply pay attention. Just like nothing is ever added to the book for the sake of adding it, nothing is ever added to the show for the sake of adding it. Everything has its purpose. If you think these speculators have help from the books or book readers, what do you think of the speculators for Breaking Bad? Do they have some sort of inside source where they get the script directly from the director?
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On June 05 2013 05:07 Shaella wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:05 SKC wrote:On June 05 2013 05:01 Sub40APM wrote:the riverun troops is debatable. Riverrun is a kingdom of its own, and its population is higher than that of the North. So why wouldnt the Riverrun host be larger than the Stark host? There's no way to know. Is it's population really significantly higher than the North? I'm not sure they were ever specifically stated as having a powerful military force, and how many of them died already is a big question. The show just doesn't give you enough, he basically guessed it would be low, as he said. It's "debatable" but it's not a debate that will go anywhere. The North is by far the largest 'kingdom' of the 7 kingdoms
It is larger but at the same time less populated due to the strong winters.
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After i got over the fact of Rob's death, his wife and his mother i found last episode to be pretty amazing. The whole death scene was done so well, dramatic; you could literally feel the pain they were going through. The actors and directors did a fantastic job that really took the viewer into the whole event and to feel it as they did. I also felt the death of the his wolf was needed. It to me was in a way symbolic, the wolf is their family crest, all Ned's children got a wolf. With Rob's death it was like ripping out his name in his "wolf" family tree.
I hope people stop being so outraged about last episode. Game of Thrones is not a story were good guys always win.. i hope the show doesn't get altered or changed because people can't hand the characters they like dying off. It was painful to watch but i commend HBO showing how brutal medieval life was.
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On June 05 2013 04:57 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:09 Manit0u wrote:On June 05 2013 03:17 Noro wrote:On June 05 2013 03:15 Sandster wrote:On June 05 2013 02:03 PerryHooter wrote:The people that are revealing who the guy that tortures Theon is + Show Spoiler + should be banned (since it's turned into an accepted fact in this thread I'm assuming it's true). It hasn't been revealed in the tv-series yet, don't know why the mods let those spoilers remain. Yeah what the hell I didn't know he was and was wondering when they revealed this. I always thought that was pretty obvious from the show... -Bolten sends his bastard to go take back winterfell. -Kid starts filleting Theon slowly, a practice used by the Boltons. -Kid gets called Bastard by dudes that he kills in the woods. Note: have no book knowledge to back up the assumption, just based on show stuff. Meh, I knew he was Bolton right from the first torture scene (and I don't remember that much from the books). Haven't people noticed house Bolton sigil? When I first saw the torture chamber I couldn't help but pick up on the symbolism Related links: 1 2 3 4 I've seen every single episode, and I couldn't name you a single one where I noticed the Bolton sigil anywhere other than in the far background. It's a very minor detail at best, and making the connection of the sigil to the way Theon is tied up is another leap that needs to be done. It's not at all impossible to do, but the likelihood that non-book readers were helped by book readers in the process of connecting the dots is very, very high.
Might be my flawed way of viewing movies like that. I always scout out for sigils and such. After taking classes in ancient history with awesome doctor with whom we would watch Gladiator and try to find errors in the usage of legion banners and what not. Classes in heraldry were also pretty cool.
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On June 05 2013 05:13 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 05:07 Shaella wrote:On June 05 2013 05:05 SKC wrote:On June 05 2013 05:01 Sub40APM wrote:the riverun troops is debatable. Riverrun is a kingdom of its own, and its population is higher than that of the North. So why wouldnt the Riverrun host be larger than the Stark host? There's no way to know. Is it's population really significantly higher than the North? I'm not sure they were ever specifically stated as having a powerful military force, and how many of them died already is a big question. The show just doesn't give you enough, he basically guessed it would be low, as he said. It's "debatable" but it's not a debate that will go anywhere. The North is by far the largest 'kingdom' of the 7 kingdoms It is larger but at the same time less populated due to the strong winters.
Like Canada.
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On June 05 2013 05:00 Sent. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 04:54 Partha wrote:On June 05 2013 04:50 sc4k wrote:
Are there any resources that estimate how big the armies of each house are? I would visit Tower of the Hand as they have many excellent resources to answer questions like this. However a rough summary would be 20K max for Robb's army (it continued to dwindle during the campaigns) 40k-60k for the Lannisters (they are the only House in Westeros that maintains a professional standing army) 30-40K for the Stormlands (Renly's forces that went over to Stannis [This number is thought to have decreased dramatically after the Blackwater]) 20-30K for the Tyrells Do we know who controls Stormlands now? Stannis retreated to Dragonstone so it seems like he abandoned them.
There is no way to gauge who controls the Stormlands in the show.
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