On June 05 2013 05:14 LOveRH wrote: After i got over the fact of Rob's death, his wife and his mother i found last episode to be pretty amazing. The whole death scene was done so well, dramatic; you could literally feel the pain they were going through. The actors and directors did a fantastic job that really took the viewer into the whole event and to feel it as they did.
I dare say that we are reading/viewing modern 'shakespearian' tragedy. That scene was breathtaking. The last ~6-7 episodes have been outstanding. I've been on edge of my seat IN FEAR for this ENTIRE season, and that's a good thing. This show has finally reached the level of + Show Spoiler +
seasons 1, 3, and 4 of The Wire and season 3 of Breaking Bad
On June 05 2013 02:03 PerryHooter wrote: The people that are revealing who the guy that tortures Theon is + Show Spoiler +
Bolton's bastard
should be banned (since it's turned into an accepted fact in this thread I'm assuming it's true). It hasn't been revealed in the tv-series yet, don't know why the mods let those spoilers remain.
Yeah what the hell I didn't know he was and was wondering when they revealed this.
I always thought that was pretty obvious from the show...
-Bolten sends his bastard to go take back winterfell. -Kid starts filleting Theon slowly, a practice used by the Boltons. -Kid gets called Bastard by dudes that he kills in the woods.
Note: have no book knowledge to back up the assumption, just based on show stuff.
Meh, I knew he was Bolton right from the first torture scene (and I don't remember that much from the books). Haven't people noticed house Bolton sigil? When I first saw the torture chamber I couldn't help but pick up on the symbolism
I've seen every single episode, and I couldn't name you a single one where I noticed the Bolton sigil anywhere other than in the far background. It's a very minor detail at best, and making the connection of the sigil to the way Theon is tied up is another leap that needs to be done. It's not at all impossible to do, but the likelihood that non-book readers were helped by book readers in the process of connecting the dots is very, very high.
I think you underestimate the intelligence of TLers (or people in general). It's fairly easy to make these connections if you simply pay attention. Just like nothing is ever added to the book for the sake of adding it, nothing is ever added to the show for the sake of adding it. Everything has its purpose. If you think these speculators have help from the books or book readers, what do you think of the speculators for Breaking Bad? Do they have some sort of inside source where they get the script directly from the director?
Nah. People would have found out either way eventually. I'm just saying that it went a lot faster thanks to book readers helping out, either intentionally or not. It just takes one book reader guy to blatantly point it out right after the character first appeared, and more people will start looking in the right direction. I'm not trying to take anything away from you guys who managed to figure it out on your own, and I didn't say that's impossible.
This was a decent estimate of troop numbers, but there is no way to get an acurate number from the show. If you find something better it's probally "tainted" or a complete guess.
the riverun troops is debatable. Riverrun is a kingdom of its own, and its population is higher than that of the North. So why wouldnt the Riverrun host be larger than the Stark host?
There's no way to know. Is it's population really significantly higher than the North? I'm not sure they were ever specifically stated as having a powerful military force, and how many of them died already is a big question. The show just doesn't give you enough, he basically guessed it would be low, as he said.
It's "debatable" but it's not a debate that will go anywhere.
The North is by far the largest 'kingdom' of the 7 kingdoms
It is larger but at the same time less populated due to the strong winters.
Like Canada.
I definatelly agree that is possible, but the guy said it as if it was proven. It can also easily be more populated.
On June 05 2013 02:03 PerryHooter wrote: The people that are revealing who the guy that tortures Theon is + Show Spoiler +
Bolton's bastard
should be banned (since it's turned into an accepted fact in this thread I'm assuming it's true). It hasn't been revealed in the tv-series yet, don't know why the mods let those spoilers remain.
Yeah what the hell I didn't know he was and was wondering when they revealed this.
I always thought that was pretty obvious from the show...
-Bolten sends his bastard to go take back winterfell. -Kid starts filleting Theon slowly, a practice used by the Boltons. -Kid gets called Bastard by dudes that he kills in the woods.
Note: have no book knowledge to back up the assumption, just based on show stuff.
Meh, I knew he was Bolton right from the first torture scene (and I don't remember that much from the books). Haven't people noticed house Bolton sigil? When I first saw the torture chamber I couldn't help but pick up on the symbolism
I've seen every single episode, and I couldn't name you a single one where I noticed the Bolton sigil anywhere other than in the far background. It's a very minor detail at best, and making the connection of the sigil to the way Theon is tied up is another leap that needs to be done. It's not at all impossible to do, but the likelihood that non-book readers were helped by book readers in the process of connecting the dots is very, very high.
The thing he was attached to was an extremely unusual shape and exactly the same as the Bolton sigil, so I don't consider it a giant leap.
On June 05 2013 04:50 sc4k wrote: Are there any resources that estimate how big the armies of each house are?
I would visit Tower of the Hand as they have many excellent resources to answer questions like this. However a rough summary would be
20K max for Robb's army (it continued to dwindle during the campaigns) 40k-60k for the Lannisters (they are the only House in Westeros that maintains a professional standing army) 30-40K for the Stormlands (Renly's forces that went over to Stannis [This number is thought to have decreased dramatically after the Blackwater]) 20-30K for the Tyrells
Eww, does it seriously say in the lore that the Lannisters maintain a professional standing army? Because if so that would be really out of character. Professional armies in the medieval period were only maintained by monarchs. A mere noble, no matter how rich, would not be allowed to just maintain a standing army seeing as the King would take it as a direct affront to his authority. Even in the fantasy world of Westeros, it wouldn't make much sense for the Iron Throne to allow one of its nobles to keep an army in the field at all times. The cost is also exorbitant.
According to the GoT Wiki (which is linked in the OP) the only "professional" armies of Westeros are + Show Spoiler +
the Nights Watch, the City Guard of each major city, the Kingsguard (well they are only 7 dudes), the Royal Fleet and the Iron Fleet. And some minor forces in both infantry and ships for each major lord, but not more than a few hundred sodiers max. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Kingdoms under Military
On June 05 2013 04:50 sc4k wrote: Are there any resources that estimate how big the armies of each house are?
I would visit Tower of the Hand as they have many excellent resources to answer questions like this. However a rough summary would be
20K max for Robb's army (it continued to dwindle during the campaigns) 40k-60k for the Lannisters (they are the only House in Westeros that maintains a professional standing army) 30-40K for the Stormlands (Renly's forces that went over to Stannis [This number is thought to have decreased dramatically after the Blackwater]) 20-30K for the Tyrells
Eww, does it seriously say in the lore that the Lannisters maintain a professional standing army? Because if so that would be really out of character. Professional armies in the medieval period were only maintained by monarchs. A mere noble, no matter how rich, would not be allowed to just maintain a standing army seeing as the King would take it as a direct affront to his authority. Even in the fantasy world of Westeros, it wouldn't make much sense for the Iron Throne to allow one of its nobles to keep an army in the field at all times. The cost is also exorbitant.
Perhaps the fact that the queen was Lannister played a factor.
On June 05 2013 05:39 Scio wrote: According to the GoT Wiki (which is linked in the OP) the only "professional" armies of Westeros are + Show Spoiler +
the Nights Watch, the City Guard of each major city, the Kingsguard (well they are only 7 dudes), the Royal Fleet and the Iron Fleet. And some minor forces in both infantry and ships for each major lord, but not more than a few hundred sodiers max. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Kingdoms under Military
I ommited the tyrell numbers on mod advise The Stormlands (Baratheon): approx. 30,000 men The Westerlands (Lannister): approx 60,000 men The Riverlands (Tully: approx. 45,000 men The Iron Islands (Greyjoy): approx. 20,000 men, 400 longships, 100 war galleys The North (Starks): approx. 40,000 men The Crownlands (Lannister): approx. 15,000 men
wow, the Tullies are beastly, they will probably be pretty angry about Frey's murdering Catelyn. Hopefully that will precipitate a roflstomping of that shithead and his inbred cohort of wenches.
On June 05 2013 05:57 sc4k wrote: wow, the Tullies are beastly, they will probably be pretty angry about Frey's murdering Catelyn. Hopefully that will precipitate a roflstomping of that shithead and his inbred cohort of wenches.
Crap... They have the heir married to the Frey girl. Frey figured it out and now has the perfect hostage.
On June 05 2013 05:57 sc4k wrote: wow, the Tullies are beastly, they will probably be pretty angry about Frey's murdering Catelyn. Hopefully that will precipitate a roflstomping of that shithead and his inbred cohort of wenches.
Technically, the Freys are bannermen of the Tullys, so it's quite likely that their numbers are counted in that, despite the fact that they basically told the Tullys to go fuck themselves. They are the strongest Bannermen in the Riverlands.
On June 05 2013 05:57 sc4k wrote: wow, the Tullies are beastly, they will probably be pretty angry about Frey's murdering Catelyn. Hopefully that will precipitate a roflstomping of that shithead and his inbred cohort of wenches.
Technically, the Freys are bannermen of the Tullys, so it's quite likely that their numbers are counted in that, despite the fact that they basically told the Tullys to go fuck themselves. They are the strongest Bannermen in the Riverlands.
Oh, well that sucks royally. Now who is going to shove a spear up Frey's arse .
This quote from the GoT wiki is nice, it's nice to see George had as much trouble writing it as we had watching it!
George R.R. Martin found the Red Wedding (which takes place two-thirds of the way through the third volume, A Storm of Swords) to be the most difficult and upsetting scene to write in the first five novels of A Song of Ice and Fire. He wrote the chapters leading up to the wedding and then skipped it, completing the rest of the novel before going back and writing the chapter the event itself takes place in, as he could not face to write it any earlier.
Guys be a little more careful with that info. Technically it is listed under the "In the books" header as TSORG said. I havent read the books (well i started reading the first book a few days ago) so i dont know if there could be conclusions drawn from that info that we shouldnt know about yet, but its better not to throw numbers around when those could lead to "predictions" we maybe dont want to read.
On June 05 2013 05:57 sc4k wrote: wow, the Tullies are beastly, they will probably be pretty angry about Frey's murdering Catelyn. Hopefully that will precipitate a roflstomping of that shithead and his inbred cohort of wenches.
Technically, the Freys are bannermen of the Tullys, so it's quite likely that their numbers are counted in that, despite the fact that they basically told the Tullys to go fuck themselves. They are the strongest Bannermen in the Riverlands.
Oh, well that sucks royally. Now who is going to shove a spear up Frey's arse .
This quote from the GoT wiki is nice, it's nice to see George had as much trouble writing it as we had watching it!
George R.R. Martin found the Red Wedding (which takes place two-thirds of the way through the third volume, A Storm of Swords) to be the most difficult and upsetting scene to write in the first five novels of A Song of Ice and Fire. He wrote the chapters leading up to the wedding and then skipped it, completing the rest of the novel before going back and writing the chapter the event itself takes place in, as he could not face to write it any earlier.
On June 03 2013 13:53 Sub40APM wrote: Wild wolves that kill specifically people targeting his enemies that look identical to the wolves his younger half-brothers have and when the only ones left are Yigret, Red head and Jon who clearly knows how to sword fight better than the Wildlings. Meh, could have done it better. Could have shown more wildlings around, could have shown the wolves running away after killing those two dudes to get the rest of the wildlings to chase them.
Or could have shown the dentist of that "wildling" woman Yigret with unnatural white teeth?
I can't even remember how much Jon Snow knows. Does he even know that they are at war? He doesn't even know about Winterfell does he? He had no reason to even think that Bran was all the way out there and didn't think about the wolf in the heat of the moment.
I think it was a pretty good scene with how he just ditched Ygritte and how broken she looked. ^^
On June 05 2013 06:09 Scio wrote: Guys be a little more careful with that info. Technically it is listed under the "In the books" header as TSORG said. I havent read the books (well i started reading the first book a few days ago) so i dont know if there could be conclusions drawn from that info that we shouldnt know about yet, but its better not to throw numbers around when those could lead to "predictions" we maybe dont want to read.
On June 05 2013 06:32 Gosi wrote: I can't even remember how much Jon Snow knows. Does he even know that they are at war? He doesn't even know about Winterfell does he? He had no reason to even think that Bran was all the way out there and didn't think about the wolf in the heat of the moment.
I think it was a pretty good scene with how he just ditched Ygritte and how broken she looked. ^^
EPT
.
