EPTOn May 14 2013 04:34 son1dow wrote:
Wait, was Myrcella Baratheon one of the women torturing Theon?
Wait, was Myrcella Baratheon one of the women torturing Theon?
This must be the weirdest thing I have read here so far. :D
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Redox
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This must be the weirdest thing I have read here so far. :D | ||
KwarK
United States43565 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:34 son1dow wrote: Wait, was Myrcella Baratheon one of the women torturing Theon? Who? Myrcella is Robert and Cersei's (Jaime's actually) daughter who is a child and was shipped off to Dorne. Also no, we'd not seen either before. | ||
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karpotoss
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On May 14 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote: Who? Never heard of her. Also no, we'd not seen either before. Myrcella Baratheon is in Dorne, she is Joffrey's sister, middle child of Cersei and Jaime. http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Myrcella_Baratheon This wikia covers show only so no spoilers. | ||
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ujonecro
United Kingdom846 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:34 son1dow wrote: Wait, was Myrcella Baratheon one of the women torturing Theon? Isnt she a lot younger and also somewhere far away now? | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:33 Yoav wrote: Okay, so some debate about storytelling going on. What others have said about high fantasy is true. Also, this show is only sort-of an ensemble show. It pretends pretty hard, but the first two seasons are very clear about who their protagonists are: Season 1: The Tragedy of Eddard Stark Season 2: The Rise and Fall of Tyrion Lannister Part of the "the plot is not moving forward" complaint comes from the fact that by Episode 7 of the other seasons, hell, by Episode 1 of Season 1, it was clear who the season protagonist was. For this season, in the running right now: Robb Stark: Stark Men Never Learn, part II +Robb seems bent on self-destruction. +He has had more major decisions than anyone but Dany +It's obvious how his plot could wrap up in the near future (but within 3 episodes? maybe if they are very quick paced) +He has a particularly interesting cadre of followers in his wife, Lord Bolton, Lord Frey, Lord Karstark, and his mother. +Jaime plot incidental to his right now, and Jaime a useful dramatic foil to him. -Kinda boring as a person -Haven't we already seen self-destructive idealists destroying themselves from gods-sent great positions? Dany: Abraham Lincoln, Dragon Rider +After a lot of whinging last season, finally living up to the awesomeness suggested by the end of season 1. +Lots of important decisions -Peripheral in screen-time -Plot unlikely to wrap up in any definitive way soon. Based on all build-up, she is going to have to invade Westeros at some point. That will probably be her season. If it's the last one, she might actually win. Jon Snow: Do I Know Anything? +Some interesting things have happened +Easy to imagine dramatic wrap up +/- We really have no good sense of his motives, unless they really are as simple as "double agent against Wildlings" -Little screen time -Even with dramatic wrap up, probably would have to be set-up for next season. So really the problem is that most plots are moving forward very slowly, and the two that have really gone anywhere are Robb's (which feels like Ned-redux with less uncertainty) and Dany's (which isn't approaching a real conclusion). Nice analysis. I think after the following conflicts and the dust has all settled: Wildling versus Nights Watch The North versus the Lannisters Stannis versus everyone There will be a lot of corpses laying around...corpses that will be incorporated into the White Walker Army. I think Dany will invade Westeros, but will be met by an army of Undead, which has basically sacked all of Westeros (remember her hallucination at the end of Season 2, and remember she is a girl who's dreams come true). Winter will have arrived by this time, and there will be a massive war: The White Walkers versus a Dragon-backed army...and from there people will sing a Song of Ice and Fire. Will Dany win this war? Who knows, we'll have to see what George decides. But in her hallucination she reaches out to touch the Throne, but stops just before touching it. Maybe this foreshadows that she'll get close, but not actually claim it. Or maybe she will win, but there will be no one left alive to rule. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:34 son1dow wrote: Wait, was Myrcella Baratheon one of the women torturing Theon? Myrcella Baratheon is like 10 years old. On May 14 2013 04:37 KwarK wrote: Who? Myrcella is Robert and Cersei's (Jaime's actually) daughter who is a child and was shipped off to Dorne. Also no, we'd not seen either before. We see her briefly in S1 (E1 or E2). | ||
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brian
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Thor.Rush
Sweden702 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:33 Yoav wrote: Really good analysis, pretty much spot on | ||
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Gnarg
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 14 2013 05:21 jinorazi wrote: robert must have drilled cersei many times, why are they (cersei and jaime) so certain all three are his? He didn't. The episode where Cersei admits it to Ned she says as much. | ||
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KwarK
United States43565 Posts
On May 14 2013 05:21 jinorazi wrote: robert must have drilled cersei many times, why are they (cersei and jaime) so certain all three are his? Not sure if I'm getting this from book or tv series but it is made clear in both that they're all Jaime's so I don't think I'll be spoiling anything. The hair colour means all Jaime's and Cersei at one point explains that Robert only came to their bed when he was off his face drunk after the loss of his son as a baby and Cersei just gave him a hand job when he did. | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On May 14 2013 03:48 Hitch-22 wrote: Ok big prediction that is totally out of the blue but I just put it together after watching the episode Here'es the premise, Robb's wife is Tywin's spy now WHY is this? Do you remember when Arya was Tywin's servant girl and she read a letter written by a spy with regards to Robbs movements? Ok well right after that (or before I can't recall) it shows her writing another letter that she jokes "is a letter detailing his battle plans" and now she's, again, writing a letter but now its sealed in a language he can't read... I dunno, it seems to much like she is just so luckily fallen in love with him, knows now all his battle plans (he seems to converse them all the time to her) and writes letters that he isn't privy to. Also Bolton, I feel, has been receiving letters from Tywin himself (note all the letters you saw Tywin writing earlier in the season) regarding battle movements etc and since he jumps the fence back and forth for each side I feel like it's apt he's doing so now (made obvious by letting Jaime leave) Anywho that's my line of thinking. I'm suspicious of her too I also have a theory that anyone that gets buck ass naked and has sex will die in GoT so Robb dead Robb's wife dead Shae dead Jon Snow dead Loras dead Ros dead Ygritte dead Daenerys brother dead Khal Drogo dead gay Stannis brother dead Melisandre, I can see her dieing who else am I missing? Daenerys is a counter to my theory though since her plot armor will be strong for a while if not to the end of the story | ||
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hzflank
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 13 2013 12:50 Dazed_Spy wrote: On an unrelated note, I find it amusing that Joffrey consistently kind of has a 'modern' conception of things, yet is otherwise sadistic and undisciplined. He envisioned the modern army in season one, and he was expecting a relatively modern notion of Cabinet ministers reporting to their executive as well. Not to mention he took the far sighted position on Danny, which Tywin did not. I actually thought this was an astute point, that did not get enough sympathetic discussion. Joff is obviously the most monstrous character in a universe where good guys bone their sisters and throw children out of windows. He is clearly insane, and his insanity will probably eventually be his downfall. So it is interesting that he is basically right about some important things. To us viewers, it is obvious that Dany matters, because the story wouldn't dwell on her if she died before mattering to the people of Westeros. But few in his world seem to understand that. His point on the modern army is equally astute: there are professionalized armies in their world, and the abundance of mercenaries, uniforms, etc. suggests that theirs is a culture on the cusp of breaking out of the feudal system of levies. I think it would be fascinating if the Lannisters actually gave a professional army a shot. Recruit from the peasantry and the urban poor, and you could pay them little and raise an enormous army in no time. The Tyrells might not like it though. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
/EDIT On May 14 2013 05:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I like that trailer for Episode 8. Joffrey is flipping out, and it looks like there's going to be an epic showdown with him, Tyrion and Tywin coming up. Meanwhile, Gendry seems to be a sex slave to Melisandre at this point. He's not Stannis (i.e. expendable) so perhaps he can be used to spawn assassins until his fire is burnt out. Death by snoo-snoo! lol | ||
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RCMDVA
United States708 Posts
On May 14 2013 05:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I like that trailer for Episode 8. Joffrey is flipping out, and it looks like there's going to be an epic showdown with him, Tyrion and Tywin coming up. Meanwhile, Gendry seems to be a sex slave to Melisandre at this point. He's not Stannis (i.e. expendable) so perhaps he can be used to spawn assassins until his fire is burnt out. Kinda looked like Gendry is getting eviscerated like Mel Gibson at the end of Braveheart. | ||
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Domus
510 Posts
On May 14 2013 04:33 Yoav wrote: Okay, so some debate about storytelling going on. What others have said about high fantasy is true. Also, this show is only sort-of an ensemble show. It pretends pretty hard, but the first two seasons are very clear about who their protagonists are: Season 1: The Tragedy of Eddard Stark Season 2: The Rise and Fall of Tyrion Lannister Part of the "the plot is not moving forward" complaint comes from the fact that by Episode 7 of the other seasons, hell, by Episode 1 of Season 1, it was clear who the season protagonist was. For this season, in the running right now: Robb Stark: Stark Men Never Learn, part II +Robb seems bent on self-destruction. +He has had more major decisions than anyone but Dany +It's obvious how his plot could wrap up in the near future (but within 3 episodes? maybe if they are very quick paced) +He has a particularly interesting cadre of followers in his wife, Lord Bolton, Lord Frey, Lord Karstark, and his mother. +Jaime plot incidental to his right now, and Jaime a useful dramatic foil to him. -Kinda boring as a person -Haven't we already seen self-destructive idealists destroying themselves from gods-sent great positions? Dany: Abraham Lincoln, Dragon Rider +After a lot of whinging last season, finally living up to the awesomeness suggested by the end of season 1. +Lots of important decisions -Peripheral in screen-time -Plot unlikely to wrap up in any definitive way soon. Based on all build-up, she is going to have to invade Westeros at some point. That will probably be her season. If it's the last one, she might actually win. Jon Snow: Do I Know Anything? +Some interesting things have happened +Easy to imagine dramatic wrap up +/- We really have no good sense of his motives, unless they really are as simple as "double agent against Wildlings" -Little screen time -Even with dramatic wrap up, probably would have to be set-up for next season. So really the problem is that most plots are moving forward very slowly, and the two that have really gone anywhere are Robb's (which feels like Ned-redux with less uncertainty) and Dany's (which isn't approaching a real conclusion). Pfff, pffff, pffff, where is Stannis in that list? Everybody always forgets about Stannis, poor Stannis! Also, Littlefinger is setup to become more important. They don't do the he is one of the most dangerous men in Westeros thing for nothing. He has title land, all he needs now is an army, etc. I am sure he is playing the Game of Thrones. Hmmm, who else, oh yeah, the wildlings are invading, so they are also playing the Game of Thrones, they might zerg all over the north! So their king, I forgot his name is the 3rd one playing this game, yet he has not had any screen time yet, so maybe Jon Snow kills him and takes over the wildling army? Maybe Jon will be the overlord of all wildlings? You would think Theon's role is over, but yet, here he still is, and I don't think it is the torturer that is important since it is still told from Theon's PoV. Bram especially has me confused, he is some sort of seer, and apparently a more important one than the other kid. What I really don't get is what happened to all the wolves? I mean they have this whole thing in season 1 about these dire wolves for every child and they are important somehow. But now in season 3 the wolves don't really play any role at all. | ||
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